I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who is a hardcore gamer type and it was just exhausting. I notice it is the same kind of elitism and attitudes towards anything mainstream or AAA in the case of gaming and the way they insult those who have more mainstream tastes or casuals as gamers like to say. There is also this hyper analyzing of every aspect and nitpicking every little detail and just superior attitude. Honestly I used to be a music snob so that conversation reminded me of my old days.
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Are hardcore gamers similar to indie rock elitists?
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Hardcore gamers are worse but in same vein yes.
and my main music style for today is harshnoise, but “hardcore” gamers still fart more their mouths/keyboards
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teezzy
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There are people who play mainly CoD, Fortnite, Madden, and 2k who play way more than anyone who wastes all their time on this forum.
Your main choice of music is harshnoise? Doesnt that grow grating after a while?
Your main choice of music is harshnoise? Doesnt that grow grating after a while?
After a while yes, but in 3 months it will be black metal with saxophones or Brazilian MPB
teezzy
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teezzy
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Some people try to overcome their lack of accomplishments by bragging about their elitist obscure tastes. Like cool dude you know about some band with less than 29 fans... I pay a mortgage.
danielJackson
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Almost always when someone wants to limit themselves to "I am gangsta/punk/indie/whatever" they are just fucking boring and lame persons.
Like whom would only like one genre? Boring people or people whom want to think thay they are special when they wear the same god damn emo/punk outfit like all their clones.
Music elitists are worse
Like whom would only like one genre? Boring people or people whom want to think thay they are special when they wear the same god damn emo/punk outfit like all their clones.
Music elitists are worse
Danjin44
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Then your friend is type of person who doesn't care about stories in games, then maybe stop talking about stories in games with him/her. Being "friends" doesn't mean you are going to agree on everything.
teezzy
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Real talk - which obscure PC games do they enjoy?
Mistershine.
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Both a bunch of insufferable bell ends? Undoubtedly.
and 3 others
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Nothing is worse than casual hardcore gamers.
CrysisFreak
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People on PlayStation are usually well adjusted.
Other platforms have tons of crazies tbh.
Other platforms have tons of crazies tbh.
AdamMcKraken
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What is even considered a hardcore gamer anyways?
I really like the pretty cinematic games, I love the journey they take you on, but then again I play Dead Cells or Vermintide and other games on the highest possible difficulties and do every hard challenges in them. I hate souls and souls like games. I don't play mainstream games like fortnite or cod, I don't play on mobile, but I do play a lot on Xbox and PS.
I really like the pretty cinematic games, I love the journey they take you on, but then again I play Dead Cells or Vermintide and other games on the highest possible difficulties and do every hard challenges in them. I hate souls and souls like games. I don't play mainstream games like fortnite or cod, I don't play on mobile, but I do play a lot on Xbox and PS.
TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
Pretty sure you'd be considered a hardcore gamer.
It's not about not liking stories or the zen-like relaxing experience of something like Stardew Valley every now and again.
Nor is it about liking every kind of game.
And Vermintide on highest difficulties is enough masochism to qualify, especially with random people...
Tiamat2san
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Yeah maybe they are.
Many of my friends are and a lot of people consider me one.
And I am an « extrême metal » listener (death, grind, black, brutal..)
Everything else is shitty music!!!
i have a tendency to judge other people choices in gaming and music.
But being diplomatic I never start the conversation on these topics.
But boy don’t get me started!
I guess it’s the problem with really passionate people.
And contrary to a lot of people, I am way more gentle on internet than in real life. I don’t feel superior being a dick online.
Many of my friends are and a lot of people consider me one.
And I am an « extrême metal » listener (death, grind, black, brutal..)
Everything else is shitty music!!!
i have a tendency to judge other people choices in gaming and music.
But being diplomatic I never start the conversation on these topics.
But boy don’t get me started!
I guess it’s the problem with really passionate people.
And contrary to a lot of people, I am way more gentle on internet than in real life. I don’t feel superior being a dick online.
Uiki
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It's my job to keep punk rock elite
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
No--music elitists don't have meltdowns and temper tantrums with as much frequency or consistency as gamers. They also don't go insane with rumors.
martino
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when it comes to brand fanbase they are not hardcore at all (console, cpu ,gpu) and the correct analogy is more boys band groupies.
go in speculation thread with that in mind replace brand name/product with boys band group name /singers
you'll see how it fits !
"no brandon is the best !"
"but look at this bitch, she is saying he is not"
"come on girls, confort me and spam the bitch !"
"look at this magasine he is saying bad thing of brandon, it's bad , they are lying and prefer hit me hard band i'm sure !"'
"plz, plz plz tell me you agree with me , girls"
"poor Brandon we need to do something for him, this bullying is unacceptable !"
it's entertaining though
go in speculation thread with that in mind replace brand name/product with boys band group name /singers
you'll see how it fits !
"no brandon is the best !"
"but look at this bitch, she is saying he is not"
"come on girls, confort me and spam the bitch !"
"look at this magasine he is saying bad thing of brandon, it's bad , they are lying and prefer hit me hard band i'm sure !"'
"plz, plz plz tell me you agree with me , girls"
"poor Brandon we need to do something for him, this bullying is unacceptable !"
it's entertaining though
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DunDunDunpachi
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"Hardcore gamer" is a marketing term popularized by Microsoft, Sony, and journos to explain why the Wii was trouncing everyone in sales and pop-culture engagement.
"Oh it is those casuals, pay no mind", we were told.
True hardcore gamers are just... gamers. Playing what they like, mastering what they like, adjusting tastes, loving the hobby like a true fan.
"Oh it is those casuals, pay no mind", we were told.
True hardcore gamers are just... gamers. Playing what they like, mastering what they like, adjusting tastes, loving the hobby like a true fan.
Oida di Figgiano
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I don´t listen to anything that has over 1k spins on any digital platform. Having physical releases is already sellout.
But jokes aside, of course it is similar and not only to indie rock or games, but you´ll find that in almost every form of pop- and subculture, Because it is basically the same behaviour/the same archetype of people just with a different subject its based on. I personally was socialized within hiphop culture in central europe in the 90s and up to this day there is not a small amount of "realkeepers" . Getting older i thought it was exclusive to this genre/scene but getting more experience in life, moving around europe, seeing different scenes and cultures in the end i had ti recognize that "keeping it real" wasn´t exclusive to a certain genre but it was a core element of every genre and within those (speaking in terms of genres as subcultures) in a certain way necessary to some degree.
Yes it can be very annoying because those stances they take are unflexible and often boneheaded, on the other hand it preserves (spiritually) a certain taste or (economically speaking) a certain demand for things having "no benefit" except just being "for the culture". Those hardcore hardcore fans are just a very small fraction (who nonetheless can be very vocal and influential to some degree) which of course makes them by definition kind of "elitist". Fortunately i grew up and got less strict with tastes and more accepting/experimental which is great, otherwise i would´ve missed out on great experiences all around.
You won´t change em, just accept them for what they are, use them from time to time when you maybe needing a certain perspective or recommendation and all is good. However when it turns into more personal problems or makes them unbearable on a personal levvel, well just don´t waste your time with such people, because in the end its not worth it.
But jokes aside, of course it is similar and not only to indie rock or games, but you´ll find that in almost every form of pop- and subculture, Because it is basically the same behaviour/the same archetype of people just with a different subject its based on. I personally was socialized within hiphop culture in central europe in the 90s and up to this day there is not a small amount of "realkeepers" . Getting older i thought it was exclusive to this genre/scene but getting more experience in life, moving around europe, seeing different scenes and cultures in the end i had ti recognize that "keeping it real" wasn´t exclusive to a certain genre but it was a core element of every genre and within those (speaking in terms of genres as subcultures) in a certain way necessary to some degree.
Yes it can be very annoying because those stances they take are unflexible and often boneheaded, on the other hand it preserves (spiritually) a certain taste or (economically speaking) a certain demand for things having "no benefit" except just being "for the culture". Those hardcore hardcore fans are just a very small fraction (who nonetheless can be very vocal and influential to some degree) which of course makes them by definition kind of "elitist". Fortunately i grew up and got less strict with tastes and more accepting/experimental which is great, otherwise i would´ve missed out on great experiences all around.
You won´t change em, just accept them for what they are, use them from time to time when you maybe needing a certain perspective or recommendation and all is good. However when it turns into more personal problems or makes them unbearable on a personal levvel, well just don´t waste your time with such people, because in the end its not worth it.
PlayerPurple
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Sure they are.
But the key difference between the two is that most of the music snobs I’ve met have at least tried making their own music.
But the key difference between the two is that most of the music snobs I’ve met have at least tried making their own music.
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alabtrosMyster
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According to your définition, they're more like people who only listen top 40 music or something... Then claim that whatever is selling the most now is the best.
DonJuanSchlong
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People can enjoy their games, discussions, preferences, etc. But don't ever fucking touch my radio if you are driving with me. Don't come in my ride if you don't like your hair messed up, or hate competition sound systems. I'm a big music snob, and mainstream music sucks ass.
RoadHazard
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I was gonna say this. I'm a prog fan (ok, an elitist) and a fan of those games. It takes a certain level of skill and taste to enjoy both.
(And yes, all other music sucks. Indie rock especially.)
Kind of joking. But only kind of.
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RoadHazard
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Edit: Wrong thread
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teezzy
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Carpathain Forest have a sax player? where tf have i been lmao
i remember them covering the cure once. i gotta listen to them more
yurinka
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Yes
teezzy
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If someone played only those franchises, but devoted enough time to the hobby... they could just as easily be considered the same.
Komatsu
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Console fanboyism is considerably more annoying, with its childish attachment to a corporation that doesn’t know you exist or the spurious idea that a generation can be “won” by this or that company.
That said, I guess most of the regulars here would qualify as “hardcore gamers” and most of the actual gaming discussion is not at all obnoxious.
That said, I guess most of the regulars here would qualify as “hardcore gamers” and most of the actual gaming discussion is not at all obnoxious.
Airola
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Only facts and truths told in that post!
pauljeremiah
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You could compare them to cinema snobs (like me).