Support NeoGAF

[Humdinger]

Would've made the game more interesting. More cringey, maybe, but more interesting.

 

[yurinka]

Good points. Seems like much ado about nothing in terms of the content of what David Cage wanted to do. I'd read somewhere that Sony tried to reel Kojima in from doing some outlandish stuff he wanted to do in Death Stranding and I think this is a bad look for them. They should let creative talent do what they want to do and create the games they want to make. There's no way they'd put up so much resistance to Naughty Dog. I trust Kojima and David Cage a hell of a lot more than Herman Hulst, who is now the one calling the shots for Sony, when it comes to creating innovative games.

Both Kojima and Cage, in addition to many internal and external devs, praised Sony for the creative freedom they give them. Being as successful as they are, they prefered to go with Sony and repeat with them when many other publishers would offer a free check.

Why? Because it's ok for Sony to fund them bizarre and risky AAA projects as the one they got greenlighted, funded and release them. And not only that, but also to make them the most successful games made by their studios.

And Hermen Hulst is the first one saying they will continue betting hard on creative, weird games, big and small, and having new IPs for the half of their upcoming games, and the one who also brags about giving creative freedom to their devs.

Did everyone forget they have a whole brothel investigation section of the game? Club Eden, where you recreate an erotic torture scenario and then hunt the Android prostitutes? They probably just cut some narrative but kept the assets and reworked it. There is already a lot of abuse, torture and sexuality in the released product. I'm wondering (if this is even true) if the changes came because they were avoiding another beyond two souls narrative mess.

This is what I was mentioning. If Sony had no issues of including this in the game, why are they supposed to have an issue of making one of these android sex workers a playable character? They had no issue with that, and had no issue with featuring nudity or sex in some of their own games.

 

[Rest]

I believe the correct response to this story is "whatever."

 

[alabtrosMyster]

That makes no sense lol

Sony first party games didn’t have that kind of censorship… big boobs can be showed in M titles.

If the boobs are on a 'robot' is there a reason to hide them?

 

[Shmunter]

Sony would be wise to get these guys creating exclusive content once again. It is this diversity that attracts me to the brand. I fear for Sony homogenisation towards nothing but mass appeal blockbusters. We need experiments and potential loss leaders to feed the bigger picture.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Yes thats the reason Sony stopped their relationship. Not….

…. In January 2018, three French news outlets

Quantic Dream, un fleuron du jeu vidéo français aux méthodes de management contestées

Photomontages injurieux, semaines de 60 heures, management pressant... plusieurs anciens salariés dénoncent les dérives du studio du français David Cage, le « Godard du pixel ».

www.lemonde.fr

Les errements de Quantic Dream, pépite française du jeu vidéo

L’entreprise Quantic Dream et son fondateur David Cage sont des célébrités du jeu vidéo. Leur prochaine production est attendue avec impatience par les joueurs du monde entier. Mais en interne, les p…

www.mediapart.fr

Drôle d’ambiance à Quantic Dream

En tant que journaliste de Canard PC, on n’a pas tous les jours l’occasion de partir en grand reportage au tribunal. L’aventure n’en est que plus passionnante. Au programme, une sombre affaire de photomontages qui aura eu pour mérite de mettre en lumière les mœurs étranges d’une entreprise de...

www.canardpc.com

—published the results of a joint investigation into the company's business practices, alleging several facets of a harmful studio culture. First, Cage and de Fondaumière were said to have participated in or encouraged a sexist and racist culture, with controversial images exchanged by email and posted around the office including photos of studio collaborators and employees digitally edited to appear as Nazis or porn stars.

Nah. Thats can’t be it.

 

[WitchHunter]

Maybe they stopped working with Quantic Dream because their games look expensive to make and no one was rushing out to buy a PS4 in order to play Detroit. Also, they were having trouble with getting their open world tech to work which means Sony might have wanted to cut their loses on that project and cancel instead of throwing more millions at it. But hey, I'm sure it was the big booba lady that was the main issue, lol.

QD's titiles were always niche products. HR was sold a lot coz it had groundbreaking tech and everyone was in awe.

 

[WitchHunter]

Twitter... fart in the wind by a potential idiot and enjoy that a lot of people "experience" it.

 

[WitchHunter]

Maybe they stopped working with Quantic Dream because their games look expensive to make and no one was rushing out to buy a PS4 in order to play Detroit. Also, they were having trouble with getting their open world tech to work which means Sony might have wanted to cut their loses on that project and cancel instead of throwing more millions at it. But hey, I'm sure it was the big booba lady that was the main issue, lol.

It could've been the main sales driver. But while violence is sacrosanct, sex is frowned upon. So balance must be kept.

 

[Corndog]

Studios have said over and over Sony lets them do what they want.

If the statement about what Cage wanted to do being a problem is true, I imagine it was some pretty wild stuff.

Tell that to Bend. I definitely liked days gone more then HZD. Too bad we won’t see another.

 

[IntentionalPun]

My ex wife left me for the same reason.

 

[ReBurn]

QD's titiles were always niche products. HR was sold a lot coz it had groundbreaking tech and everyone was in awe.

Heavy Rain had tits and everyone wanted to see them.

 

[hybrid_birth]

My ex wife left me for the same reason.

 

[WitchHunter]

Heavy Rain had tits and everyone wanted to see them.

The hype was all about "the casting" trailer. This was 15+ years ago... ingame, not prerendered, everyone was in awe.

 

[TheMay30thMan]

It couldn’t possibly be because they didn’t want to show that level of exploitation and abuse. No, it has to be because big boobs aren’t allowed!!

Give me a break. Jesus.

 

[Moses85]

Press X to bang

Didnt Quantic Dream get sued for using Ellen Pages naked depiction without her permission or something?

I dont think they have a history of getting these things right

Fortunately this depiction does exist while Ellen doesnt anymore.

 

[Concern]

 

[Kagero]

Doubt that’s all it was. It was probably the combination of sex bot + David Cage that spooked Sony.

 

[Aenima]

Traci are the codename to ALL sex androids in the game. Even male sex androids are Traci models. Thats in the final game.

 

[Bulletbrain]

#releasethecagecut

 

[yurinka]

#releasethecagecut

I'd bet it's the one already available in Amazon or the PSN store.

 

[DeadOblivion78]

I wouldn't trust David Cage in making a wet dream. What makes you guys think he would portray this correctly?

 

[mckmas8808]

Sony didn’t trust the man with some of the creepiest sex scenes in games to handle a whore Android tastefully??? I’m shocked

How did this WHOLE thread (other than 1 or 2 people) seem to totally forgot the history that David Cage has and the things he's been accused of? Why would they trust Cage? I personally like his games, but the allegations kinda point to David Cage being a creep and a bad overall boss.

 

[mckmas8808]

The hype was all about "the casting" trailer. This was 15+ years ago... ingame, not prerendered, everyone was in awe.

I can't believe there was a time where I thought games couldn't look better than this scene. CRAZY!!!

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

I can't believe there was a time where I thought games couldn't look better than this scene. CRAZY!!!

 

[Rikkori]

The hype was all about "the casting" trailer. This was 15+ years ago... ingame, not prerendered, everyone was in awe.

NGL when I saw 'the casting' my mind immediately involved a couch in it...

 

[WitchHunter]

I can't believe there was a time where I thought games couldn't look better than this scene. CRAZY!!!

Those times were better. Now everything is too fuckin detailed. Pixel games to the rescue!

 

[YeulEmeralda]

I wouldn't trust David Cage in making a wet dream. What makes you guys think he would portray this correctly?

David Cage is an artist, there is no "correctly" he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
Or are we CCP now?

 

[iHaunter]

I mean, after the Project Eve trailer, this sounds like bullshit to me.

There was tits and ass all over the place, no one seemed to care.

 

[SSfox]

Sony would be wise to get these guys creating exclusive content once again. It is this diversity that attracts me to the brand. I fear for Sony homogenisation towards nothing but mass appeal blockbusters. We need experiments and potential loss leaders to feed the bigger picture.

This. But they seems to be more focus on Marvel stuff than ever. The best 3rd party devs are gonna save the day still i think as usual but this Sony homogene direction is starting to be worrying.

 

[DeadOblivion78]

David Cage is an artist, there is no "correctly" he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
Or are we CCP now?

Imagine defending David Cage.

 

[mckmas8808]

David Cage is an artist, there is no "correctly" he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
Or are we CCP now?

You're right! Which is why Sony stopped making games with them and now David Cage and TRUELY do what he wants and self publish the games. Do you want to stop Sony from having the freedom with whom they choose to do business with?