I do not know if its shitty. It is certainly hentai without the explicit sex but these stories should also exist. It is basically a revenge Story we have seen tons of time with female Character in the age of explotation etc. I just wonder how far they will go in the end.
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Shouta
Member
So many degenerates.
It's shitty The series is basically just revenge porn with a few strokes (pun intended) of sympathetic elements. The series just gets nastier from here on out.
First of all. This is not what revenge porn is. A And secondly: SO? fucked p people do fucked up shit. I think no one feels sorry for any of these characters. Not everythng has to be good vs evil. No one so far is a good person here. No one is beeing cheered on it is just a fucked up story.So many degenerates.
It's shitty The series is basically just revenge porn with a few strokes (pun intended) of sympathetic elements. The series just gets nastier from here on out.
Guilty_AI
Member
There are good fucked up stories and bad fucked up stories.
This is a bad fucked up story.
Shouta
Member
I'm not using revenge porn like how we know. I'm using it like it's the literal words, it's revenge and it's porn, lol
Being a villain and doing bad things is one thing but this series goes beyond the pale especially because it just continues to escalate and is excessive. I'm all for stories being about the bad guys winning and being the focal point but this one is nothing but an excuse for cruelty and perverse shit.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
I told you!
O-N-E
Member
First two seasons were pretty good, but I turned HARD at the third. Was fucking wild looking at comments like "omg the writing is the best ever!!!!".
*cringe*
CGiRanger
Banned
From what I've heard as to "why" Redo of Healer got an Anime. Supposedly the Light Novels sold surprisingly very well in Japan.
Also, if it were a Hentai, well, you'd only get what, one 20 minute OVA episode probably these days? Animated Hentai doesn't really sell anymore I don't think in the current business models, and I don't even think there are as many studios as there used to be making animated stuff anymore.
It's just a thought but I imagine that Interspecies Reviewers helped open the door for this, since it showed that you could at least air that sort of stuff on Japan's ATX channel. But also, the controversy alone it would generate would ensure far more exposure to the show, and they also got a distributor in the West (HIDive) that wouldn't (so far) pull any shenanigans like how Funimation did with the Reviewers.
It still boggles my mind as to how though Redo has yet to from what I see have drawn the super critical meltdowns online that Rising of Shield Hero and Goblin Slayer did when they aired, and I think anyone objectively would say that Redo depicts far far more horrible things than either of those two shows combined.
Seems it's doing quite well on ATX:
Also, if it were a Hentai, well, you'd only get what, one 20 minute OVA episode probably these days? Animated Hentai doesn't really sell anymore I don't think in the current business models, and I don't even think there are as many studios as there used to be making animated stuff anymore.
It's just a thought but I imagine that Interspecies Reviewers helped open the door for this, since it showed that you could at least air that sort of stuff on Japan's ATX channel. But also, the controversy alone it would generate would ensure far more exposure to the show, and they also got a distributor in the West (HIDive) that wouldn't (so far) pull any shenanigans like how Funimation did with the Reviewers.
It still boggles my mind as to how though Redo has yet to from what I see have drawn the super critical meltdowns online that Rising of Shield Hero and Goblin Slayer did when they aired, and I think anyone objectively would say that Redo depicts far far more horrible things than either of those two shows combined.
Seems it's doing quite well on ATX:
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Guilty_AI
Member
Its funny because apparently the purple hairs decided they're gonna bicker over Nagatoro instead.
Honestly, i think these people just wanna complain about stuff others are actually liking. Redo of the healer is already criticized or called porn anyway so they probably don't find it fun to outrage over it.
Well, I don't think it is streaming in the West.
(IMHO, Goblin Slayer is literally a nothingburger. Berserk has far worse stuff.)
I must say I am puzzled about the popular shows.
Beyond the Boundary is still/that popular?
I tried watching the show a while back and got bored to death, dropped it after 7 episodes. Am I missing something.
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CGiRanger
Banned
You can stream it through HiDive, though that's not of course a big distributor.
ATX is I believe a premium channel, so it won't have the same kind of show popularity as regular network channels.
Witchilich
Member
Kumoko anime didn't turn out as bad as I thought it would. Great to see one of my favorite web novels animated.
Vaelka
Member
Yeah I heard about this and looked it up and it seems genuinely disgusting and disturbing...
I mean at least with Goblin Slayer the whole plot doesn't literally revolve around basically revenge snuff rape etc.........
There is a huge difference between a story that contains rape and a story that essentially glamorizes and indulges in it in a perverse way, Goblin Slayer never glamorizes it even with the albeit maybe too sexualized scenes and while it does influence the plot it doesn't just revolve around it.
It'd be as if Game of Thrones just revolved entirely around Ramsey torturing and violating Sansa, I think people would be justified in being upset about it.
But then this situation is like people going after the real Game of Thrones instead of that alternate snuff Game of Thrones.
It's like do people even understand why they're mad at that point lol?
Not saying that this show shouldn't be allowed to exist, just that people should at least understand why they're mad.
And the show does offend me, but I am simply not going to watch it but I think people are entitled to be upset and talk about it too.
The most '' extreme '' thing I'll say about it is that I do find it disturbing how popular it is and I do find that problematic, but I also feel the same about most pornography and how aggressive and demeaning towards the women it VERY often is.
Same goes for so much 2D and animated porn too, it's pretty disturbing to me how common violence is and how the female characters are so often drawn as hesitant or straight up not enjoying it at all or like their mind is blank...
It just disturbs and upsets me how common it is, not that it exists altogether.
How does it glamorizes all this? These people are insane. None of them is seen as a good person. He is not a hero he is protagonist that was broken an now breaks others. In 2 episodes in there are no good people in there.
If you think afterwards yeah rape is cool you have already problems. On the other hand though if you look at GOT. Rape it is seen as more normal. Wile here it is displayed as terrifying. When you see these characters you see their fear. They psychologically break apear and you can see this. this is not the case in lets say Games of thrones.
Another "Fun part" regarding PORN. Porn is fiction and over 50% of women have rape fantasies. Fantasies are fantasies and Porn like this helps them to live out their fantasies. Because if you believe it or not but Women who fantasize about being raped do not want to be raped in reality. Rape fantasies in general are a sign of being very open about their sexuality. It is a tabo in our society to lose control and this is what it is. You lose comtrol. Over you body be it man or women. And in Fantasy and Porn there is nothing problematic about it.
PS: You know whats actually demeaning? Someone telling a women how they should feel and how it makes them feel. Women are A not a hivemind but everyone has their own opinion and B. You are not a spokewomen so YOU can find it problematic for whatever reason and you can think it is sexist but then you ignore all the Women who actually enjoy rape fantasies. And no I am not talking about this Anime but Porn in general.
PS: There are 2 episodes out and in Episodes 1 he got raped hundreds of times by men and women over years and in the other one one women got raped once. So yeah. It is not a female thing here.
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CGiRanger
Banned
Maybe my sensitivity filters are off-kilter, but I actually got more sick from the latest Higurashi episode.
It's funny, people were complaining how the series didn't have enough gore the first 12 episodes. So it's like they answered by ramping it up to 1000.
That was one of the most uncomfortably gruesome scenes I've ever seen in an Anime. It lasted forever too (half the episode), and they didn't shy away from showing all the details. Perhaps my empathy is a bit high because I've experienced abdominal discomfort, and that shit is the most painful shit you could ever imagine. So seeing what was depicted here was like, oh man.
It's funny, people were complaining how the series didn't have enough gore the first 12 episodes. So it's like they answered by ramping it up to 1000.
That was one of the most uncomfortably gruesome scenes I've ever seen in an Anime. It lasted forever too (half the episode), and they didn't shy away from showing all the details. Perhaps my empathy is a bit high because I've experienced abdominal discomfort, and that shit is the most painful shit you could ever imagine. So seeing what was depicted here was like, oh man.
Rika gets brutally disemboweled while conscious and they straight up show it in all its graphic detail. No cuts or off-camera tricks here. And her VA sells the sheer tortuous agony she's in with great accuracy
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Guilty_AI
Member
Its kinda sad the series got famous because of its gory content.Maybe my sensitivity filters are off-kilter, but I actually got more sick from the latest Higurashi episode.
It's funny, people were complaining how the series didn't have enough gore the first 12 episodes. So it's like they answered by ramping it up to 1000.
That was one of the most uncomfortably gruesome scenes I've ever seen in an Anime. It lasted forever too (half the episode), and they didn't shy away from showing all the details. Perhaps my empathy is a bit high because I've experienced abdominal discomfort, and that shit is the most painful shit you could ever imagine. So seeing what was depicted here was like, oh man.
Rika gets brutally disemboweled while conscious and they straight up show it in all its graphic detail. No cuts or off-camera tricks here. And her VA sells the sheer tortuous agony she's in with great accuracy
The original VN doesn't really even contain any graphical scenes, perhaps some descriptions at best which are still few and far between.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
A lot of people complained that they can't top Deen in gore and look what we got. Higurashi was always a mystery Visual Novel not a psychological horror one, sadly Deen gave it an edgy reputation and everyone has to live up to that standard.
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Vaelka
Member
I dunno where you get your statistics from...
This sounds sorta like this idea that most men want to sleep with their mom when that's just people misunderstanding psychology and it's just a deeply subconscious thing.
You probably want to be careful with that stuff...
It's probably true that there's some subconscious things going on when it comes to sexual violence and women, because that's how procreation used to happen.
That doesn't mean that women at large fantasize about literally being raped or even rough sex.
Just like how very few people who find the whole '' milf '' thing slightly arousing actually want to sleep with their own mom.
The whole point of milf porn is that it's NOT your mom.
I do engage with BDSM and those communities including people who do have quite rough fantasies I am well aware of peoples views on this and I can assure you they'd find this show really upsetting and fucked up too...
Consent and responsibility is a huge thing, most people who have fantasies regarding rough sex take these things very seriously.
I never told women what to feel you're putting words in my mouth, but sorry to burst your bubble most women don't enjoy having a dude ejaculate on her face and call her a whore while pulling her hair and fucking her up the ass.
Most women can't even orgasm from vaginal sex, the overwhelming majority fake it and are incredibly sensitive and require a ton of very delicate work to actually orgasm.
It's very easy to make it hurt for a woman very few actually like it rough.
There's also a selection bias because most women who get hired to do porn and most women who are successful at it are women who are into that stuff or simply put up with it and fake it.
Most women quite literally wouldn't be able to handle it physically and mentally.
I am also aware of what happens in the show and I know that he's not a hero but if you can't understand what the problem here is then I dunno what else to say, everything you said is like something straight out of an incel manifesto or something...
The entire show is snuff with a ton of sexual violence involved, just because the protagonist isn't presented as a good person and had bad things happen to him doesn't change what it is and the show never condemns it there's no actual point to it other than to be messed up and lets be real here titillating it's not exactly a secret.
The difference in Game of Thrones is that the whole point of the show isn't to just indulge in messed up snuff porn/ ecchi.
Rape was never presented as normal in Game of Thrones either I dunno wtf you're talking about... The presentation was also totally different which is because as opposed to that show this show is literally all about it which is why it upsets people and is messed up.
There's no greater point being made or actual narrative outside of it.
I also never even said that it was a female only thing I don't give a shit about that Game of Thrones had a ton of sexual violence against men particularly in the books which btw are FAR worse and more extreme which I have read.
If you thought Ramsey was bad in the show you have no idea how bad he is in the books, the difference is again the whole book series doesn't literally revolve around Ramsey violating people....
And I also never said that women can't or aren't allowed to indulge in rape fantasies, what I said is that I find it problematic how normalized it is in porn.
If you unironically believe that a significant portion of women are into what you see in porn then you quite frankly can't have a lot of sexual experience... And that's coming from someone who like I said actually engage with those communities where it's generally more accepted and they'd agree with me and are fully aware that their fantasies are not normal.
They're taboo for a reason.
If you want to watch your snuff porn then go ahead I never said you couldn't, all I am saying is that people are within their right to find it upsetting.
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Vaelka
Member
And the more I read up on this too, as I thought the fantasies aren't actually about rape in how most people think of it.
But people described it as “I secretly wanted it.” and aren't actually fantasizing about actual sexual assault... What they're fantasizing about is essentially someone that they already want to have sex with knowing that they want to have sex and initiating it...
They're not fantasizing about some random dude pulling them into a bush and violating them by force as they screaming, but a man they're already in love with and want to have sex with leading.
Which isn't strange at all considering how conditioned women and men are into that role where women are just standing by and waiting for men to take initiative, it's quite rare that women even ask men out for example or to marry it's almost always men who are expected to do that and that carries over into sex.
The sex in the fantasies is unfolding on their own terms, hence it's not actually forced and is not actually rape.
www.psychologytoday.com
Actually read the whole thing and not just the first sentence or two.
The author keeps referring to it as '' forced '' etc which doesn't help, and also explains why this is even a myth to begin with because like I said people don't even understand what they're talking about they just read a headline or a couple of sentences then take it literally.
( Edit: I also read before that a lot of people reported that they in fact didn't enjoy it either in their fantasy, as in a lot of the fantasies are also out of fear and not pleasing in nature. Which isn't surprising either since sexual assault is something women worry about a lot more than men do... )
But people described it as “I secretly wanted it.” and aren't actually fantasizing about actual sexual assault... What they're fantasizing about is essentially someone that they already want to have sex with knowing that they want to have sex and initiating it...
They're not fantasizing about some random dude pulling them into a bush and violating them by force as they screaming, but a man they're already in love with and want to have sex with leading.
Which isn't strange at all considering how conditioned women and men are into that role where women are just standing by and waiting for men to take initiative, it's quite rare that women even ask men out for example or to marry it's almost always men who are expected to do that and that carries over into sex.
The sex in the fantasies is unfolding on their own terms, hence it's not actually forced and is not actually rape.
Why Are "Rape Fantasies" So Common?
New research sheds light on the psychology behind fantasies about forced sex.
www.psychologytoday.com
Actually read the whole thing and not just the first sentence or two.
The author keeps referring to it as '' forced '' etc which doesn't help, and also explains why this is even a myth to begin with because like I said people don't even understand what they're talking about they just read a headline or a couple of sentences then take it literally.
( Edit: I also read before that a lot of people reported that they in fact didn't enjoy it either in their fantasy, as in a lot of the fantasies are also out of fear and not pleasing in nature. Which isn't surprising either since sexual assault is something women worry about a lot more than men do... )
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AGAIN You are generalizing. All of this is different which each person. Men or women. There are women who enjoy it and there are women who do not. And think you do not know what forced sex is it is Rape. This is how you desrcibe rape. And you also should read the whole article which states that women who have these kind of fantasies are way more openly aboutr her sexuality and desires then others. Not only in terms of rape.And the more I read up on this too, as I thought the fantasies aren't actually about rape in how most people think of it.
But people described it as “I secretly wanted it.” and aren't actually fantasizing about actual sexual assault... What they're fantasizing about is essentially someone that they already want to have sex with knowing that they want to have sex and initiating it...
They're not fantasizing about some random dude pulling them into a bush and violating them by force as they screaming, but a man they're already in love with and want to have sex with leading.
Which isn't strange at all considering how conditioned women and men are into that role where women are just standing by and waiting for men to take initiative, it's quite rare that women even ask men out for example or to marry it's almost always men who are expected to do that and that carries over into sex.
The sex in the fantasies is unfolding on their own terms, hence it's not actually forced and is not actually rape.
Why Are "Rape Fantasies" So Common?
New research sheds light on the psychology behind fantasies about forced sex.
Actually read the whole thing and not just the first sentence or two.
The author keeps referring to it as '' forced '' etc which doesn't help, and also explains why this is even a myth to begin with because like I said people don't even understand what they're talking about they just read a headline or a couple of sentences then take it literally.
( Edit: I also read before that a lot of people reported that they in fact didn't enjoy it either in their fantasy, as in a lot of the fantasies are also out of fear and not pleasing in nature. Which isn't surprising either since sexual assault is something women worry about a lot more than men do... )
Also BDSM is not rape. BDSM is something totally different.
And again you try to compare reality with Fantasy. NO ONE or barely anyone likes to be raped in real life. If they do they have psychological problems but this is fiction we are talking about. Why do you think that most women novels written by women actually feature forced sex scenes?
Here is another one:
Why Do Women Have Rape Fantasies?
Rape fantasies reflect women’s erotic comfort—wherever it may lead.
www.psychologytoday.com
Women's Rape Fantasies: How Common? What Do They Mean?
Rape or near-rape fantasies are surprisingly common.
www.psychologytoday.com
The most important PART:
Women who have rape fantasies don’t want to be sexually assaulted. They feel comfortable with their own sexuality and are happy to embrace their erotic fantasies—wherever they may lead.
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Icymanipulator
Member
Just finished Garo: Vanishing Line and it was great. The characters were cool and well designed and the story stayed interesting up to the end. Ending was OK. Really liked this anime overall.
Jujutsu Kaisen was also really good. Hoping to see a second season soon.
Jujutsu Kaisen was also really good. Hoping to see a second season soon.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
the sausages were funny
Cutty Flam
Banned
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders is a (top 25) anime of all time
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Guilty_AI
Member
I think idol anime is trash anyway.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
I liked Mushumairesh. Sorta.
Trash Reincarnation that retained his 40 y/o fat mind stripped a girl cause he thought it was a boy in the last ep.
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Cutty Flam
Banned
How likely is it that Elbaf will be the next arc?
I’ve asked myself this question a lot, and have no certain answer. It is up in the air at this point
I’ve asked myself this question a lot, and have no certain answer. It is up in the air at this point
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
I guess this is why they left this Satoko hint in the OP.
Takano went from this
To this
To this
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Yuru Camp Season 2 is far superior to S1. It is extremely relaxing. CAW Black goes from decent to wtf to meh. Spider is getting better but I fucking hate all this human shit.
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O-N-E
Member
Have you already watched any on there?
Tesseract
Banned
zer0
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O-N-E
Member
FMA Brotherhood <- Just watch that
Parasyte
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Kill La Kill if you can handle a ton of fan-service (I usually can't but loved this one)
One Punch Man for funny stuff with cool action
Demon Slayer
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Tesseract
Banned
brotherhood it is, thanks
Witchilich
Member
Can't believe we actually got a new season.
Witchilich
Member
It actually gets tiring listening to Mushoku Tensei fans calling it the OG isekai when its not in anyway.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
It gets worse. The first parts are actually the best part.
Dorohedoro, Violet Evergarden and OPM.
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Guilty_AI
Member
It was one of the pioneers of current web novel isekai trend, but naturally it didn't invent the concept of reborning/transporting to a different world, something straight out of the monomyth. I suppose these novels were also largely inspired by SAO and Zero no Tsukaima.
Mushoku Tensei is also in a way one of the 'isekai-est' of the modern isekais, for good and bad which is its problem.
I don't think the novel is ever that good in the first place. The anime is only enjoyable because its well produced.
How could i not like
Cutty Flam
Banned
I've never watched FMA: Brotherhood but a chick I know really seemed to like it, and a good friend said it was his childhood so it must be top notch. Probably can't go wrong w/ that choice
Oh, boy. I read somewhere that newcomers could watch Gou and not get lost. And after binging it last weekend and watching the latest episode, I say:
I will still continue with it because I'm interested enough in Rika. And Satoko and her gun that was seemingly pulled from air.
I will still continue with it because I'm interested enough in Rika. And Satoko and her gun that was seemingly pulled from air.