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[Elder Legend]

Only gullible idiots will buy into these.

So if I make decent money, I enjoy the game and have hundreds of hours of playtime and want too support the devs and buy the cosmetics I am a gullible idiot all off a sudden? Hmm

Nice way to insult people on the forum. Keep it up buttercup.

 

[Aenima]

Its fine, F2P games need to get they money back... oh wait.

 

[nikos]

People here act like they've never played a game with cosmetic bundles before.

 

[Phase]

The bad part is that this is being normalized in a full priced game. You're already buying the game, and they want you to buy battle passes, season-only items, cosmetics, etc. on top of your purchase you already made to BUY THE FULL GAME. This used to be a practice for f2p games, and now it's in full-priced ones. Defending this is idiotic.

 

[sendit]

GaaS games needs to continuously make money, like it or not this is the reality of the genre, how do you propose they do that without a cash shop?

Out of their kind hearts. /s

Path of Exile, Diablo’s red headed step child also has a cosmetic shop. Armor sets costing upwards of 50 dollars per set.

Street Fighter 6 also has a cosmetic shop. Likely, every GaaS game going forward will have some sort of MTX.

 

[Superkewl]

I was on the fence about this game, but will be skipping it now

 

[sendit]

It won’t be just cosmetics at some point. Farming mind stones to unlock gemstones to get a special ladder item? 60h grind or buy mind stones with platinum from the store. It will alter the grind, and skewed to get money not generate fun.

This will happen. It “just being cosmetics” for now is a way to circumvent critics at review time.

Diablo has a pretty out spoken community. Do you think Blizzard wants to deal with this again?

 

[Kacho]

The bad part is that this is being normalized in a full priced game. You're already buying the game, and they want you to buy battle passes, season-only items, cosmetics, etc. on top of your purchase you already made to BUY THE FULL GAME. This used to be a practice for f2p games, and now it's in full-priced ones. Defending this is idiotic.

It's too late. People have been conditioned to accept this stuff.

 

[FunkMiller]

I'll probably offend people by saying this, but the idea of paying real money for pretend digital clothes sounds like just about the saddest thing I can think of. I sort of get MXT that offers you more of a gameplay experience, but to spend actual, real money just to make your little digital man dress a little differently is just...

 

[ReBurn]

I'll probably offend people by saying this, but the idea of paying real money for pretend digital clothes sounds like just about the saddest thing I can think of. I sort of get MXT that offers you more of a gameplay experience, but to spend actual, real money just to make your little digital man dress a little differently is just...

What's the difference between paying $70 to pretend to be the little man and paying $3 to dress the little man differently?

 

[Tallahassee]

Diablo 4 is not p2w, so players can spend their money however they want. I don't care how much cosmetics cost, doesn't affect my gameplay

 

[owandeseis]

And yet there are plenty of highly successful games and highly successful companies that do exactly that.

Do you want to have the best gaming experience possible or do you want the executives to make as much money as possible?

Hmm... Considering we are on a gaming forum that is supposed to be full of hobbyists I'm sure thats a tough question.



This is the best defence I've read yet. Well done.

Wonder how would they compete with Path of Exile in the mid-long run without the game being a GaaS.

Or how can they make the game not feel old and too repetitive after 6-12 months without it being a GaaS while the competence keeps updating and improving their games while adding new cosmetics so the whales give them money for it.

Tell me why the game being a GaaS means it's not the best gaming experience, because you have to pay for your character to wear the latest cool suit? X'D

Give me new and cool gameplay mechanics, new skill trees, new enemies, acts etc. That's the best gaming experience, and add new cosmetics each league meanwhile, i couldn't care less about this, i might even pay them if the game turns out to be great, not because i care a little bit about how my character looks, but to support the company if they are doing good, just like i've done in the past.

 

[Raven117]

Its just cosmetic. who cares?

 

[sendit]

I'll probably offend people by saying this, but the idea of paying real money to play pretend in video games sounds like just about the saddest thing I can think of. I sort of get video games that offers you more of a gameplay experience over the real world, but to spend actual, real money just to control a digital man is just...

Fixed

 

[FunkMiller]

What's the difference between paying $70 to pretend to be the little man and paying $3 to dress the little man differently?

One is paying to play a game. The other is paying to...... er....... to be honest, I don't really know.

 

[Sanepar]

And why people care? Just don't buy it is a cosmetic. It doesn't change your game experience.

 

[Elder Legend]

I'll probably offend people by saying this, but the idea of paying real money for pretend digital clothes sounds like just about the saddest thing I can think of. I sort of get MXT that offers you more of a gameplay experience, but to spend actual, real money just to make your little digital man dress a little differently is just...

You know what's worse? Paying real money to OnlyFans models who lives thousands of miles away. They will never have sex with you, always be fake with you and always leech your money. And, the person who does it is always going to be alone and live in denial.

The cosmetic actually stays on your character and adds an overall value to your account based on whatever collectibles you have. If you ever plan to sell a WoW account or something snd you have ton of bought stuff or even rare in game cosmetics your account will have some good value.

I am a huge collector in WoW but granted I've played the game since it came out. I bought out all the mounts in the WoW Shop at $25 each. But I have over 400 mounts total, most of them are ingame earned with prolly like 20 or 25 store mounts. They don't have many of them on the store. Never regretted it.

 

[Robb]

I knew those scores sounded a bit too good to be true.

 

[bender]

I'll probably offend people by saying this, but the idea of paying real money for pretend digital clothes sounds like just about the saddest thing I can think of. I sort of get MXT that offers you more of a gameplay experience, but to spend actual, real money just to make your little digital man dress a little differently is just...

Costumes are fun when done right. I kept playing Overwatch far longer than I would have because of the seasonal events and the costumes that came with them. But for the most part, those could all be earned without paying money with the exception of the Overwatch League stuff that was introduced later in its' life and the charity costumes. Hard to imagine we've gone from a really fair system to $28 for a single costume from the same studio in such a short time frame.

 

[FunkMiller]

You know what's worse? Paying real money to OnlyFans models who lives thousands of miles away. They will never have sex with you, always be fake with you and always leech your money. And, the person who does it is always going to be alone and live in denial.

The cosmetic actually stays on your character and adds an overall value to your account based on whatever collectibles you have. If you ever plan to sell a WoW account or something snd you have ton of bought stuff or even rare in game cosmetics your account will have some good value.

Yeah... I wouldn't fucking do that, either

 

[Bry0]

Takes some of the pride out of your transmog when someone can just buy a cool looking set. “Where did you get that?? That looks awesome!”
-“Cash shop”
“Oh”

Lame

 

[Elder Legend]

Takes some of the pride out of your transmog when someone can just buy a cool looking set. “Where did you get that?? That looks awesome!”
-“Cash shop”
“Oh”

Lame

While you may have a point. Most conversations like that won't ever happen in the actual game. Majority of the people are okay with Battle Passes and MTX.

But on a forum like NeoGaf where it's much more hardcore and more vocal then yes. You gotta realize we are a very small percentage of gamers here who are way more outspoken.

Never in my life has anyone told me in the game "imagine spending money on etc...your a loser" ever. Lol

 

[MagiusNecros]

I think people caring is if it is just a cosmetic why can't you obtain it ingame via some questline one of the merchants gives you to make your outfits? Would be more engaging to unlock a outfit for beating some task/challenge instead of "here have $30".

Course you could just have a great value cosmetic pack that has a load of cosmetics for $30 and is strictly to support the devs. Which is what Deep Rock Galactic does. That might be more acceptable.

 

[Skifi28]

You don't know if the item would have been made for free to unlock in game if revenue attached to it warranted it being made. This is a false equivalency that if the game didn't have GaaS model, the thing would have been free.

We' ve had cases where the DLC we were sold was already on the disc, but fair enough. There is no way to know for sure.

this one was created for the purpose of being bought.

Much like you can't possibly know that either. All we can know is it ended up being sold, we can't know what was originally intended.

 

[DeepEnigma]

An even better solution would be this crap not existing in a game that will cost you up to $100, but I guess we are well past that point now.

And it all started with this monstrosity,

 

[darrylgorn]

I'm probably late to the don't buy it party but

Don't buy it

 

[ReBurn]

One is paying to play a game. The other is paying to...... er....... to be honest, I don't really know.

Sometimes people enjoy watching the little guy wear a funny hat. If that's what they want then that's cool.

 

[bender]

I'm probably late to the don't buy it party but

Don't buy it

The game or the cosmetics? We've got two parties up in here.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

The game or the cosmetics? We've got two parties up in here.

Again the group not buying a game that you could spend hundreds of hours in all because of an optional cosmetic store were likely never buying this game anyhow and are just looking for reasons to complain

 

[darrylgorn]

The game or the cosmetics? We've got two parties up in here.

I don't know enough about this game to say (I really don't care) but as far as this thread and high priced add-ons goes, if you don't like the cost, then don't buy it.

If there's an alternative to get them to lower the price (other than blatant socialism), I'm all ears.

 

[bender]

Again the group not buying a game that you could spend hundreds of hours in all because of an optional cosmetic store were likely never buying this game anyhow and are just looking for reasons to complain

Incorrect. I'm considering cancelling my pre-order. I've put thousands of hours into D1, D2 and D3.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Incorrect. I'm considering cancelling my pre-order. I've put thousands of hours into D1, D2 and D3.

Thousands of hours into previous Diablo games and an optional in game cosmetic store is making you consider skipping this one?

I stand corrected

 

[DeepEnigma]

Incorrect. I'm considering cancelling my pre-order. I've put thousands of hours into D1, D2 and D3.

As have I. It was bad in my early 20's. Setting alarms at 3am for peak magic find hours of low server loads, etc.. I dread returning to that, nor do I have the time now to invest that much into a game like that again. Which is why I skipped 3 and more than likely will skip 4. Dungeon looters are a major time sink.

 

[bender]

Thousands of hours into previous Diablo games and an optional in game cosmetic store is making you consider skipping this one?

I stand corrected

The betas were pretty mid and I like collecting everything in games.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

 

[Edgelord79]

Guess I’ll have to pick and choose what I want instead of buying everything.

Wait that’s what I do in real life so no change needed.

 

[bender]

As have I. It was bad in my early 20's. Setting alarms at 3am for peak magic find hours of low server loads, etc.. I dread returning to that, nor do I have the time now to invest that much into a game like that again. Which is why I skipped 3 and more than likely will skip 4. Dungeon looters are a major time sink.

D3 is a really fun console co-op game. I also found it easier to walk away from than D1/D2 because of how streamlined it was.

 

[Draugoth]

I'll gladly pay if I am getting hundreds of hours of gameplay. Which I am sure I will be. Devs deserve it. I spend $ on cosmetics all the time when I see something cool in Fortnite.

No one is putting up a gun to your head. Not sure why people are upset. It doesn't change the gameplay in any way.

You probably have the money for it, good. But most people dont, me included, i cant really afford to spend $30 for some cosmetic skins in a game. I wouldnt have issues if it was F2P, but DIV is a $70-$90 title already.

$28 for a skin might be feasible if you live in CAD/UK/US but for anyone else outside of those countries, $30 is lot of money to spend on digital items.

 

[DeepEnigma]

D3 is a really fun console co-op game. I also found it easier to walk away from than D1/D2 because of how streamlined it was.

Tell me more.

 

[Zoanoid33]

Wasn't going to buy this anyway until it's $30 or under. Which seem about the right for a game with cosmetic microtransactions



The business model of direct microtransaction purchases has shifted in recent years. At one point devs aimed for a lot of people to spend a bit of money, now the focus seems to be to get fewer people to spend a lot of money.
You can see it everywhere, from this to Fortnite to Rocket League. If everyone is doing it you can bet they have the metricts to show it's the most profitable approach.

The new budget friendly option are Battle Passes which force you to play the game to unlock stuff, ensuring the user base keeps playing and stays active

It would be interesting to see those metrics. It seems risky to turn off a majority of your users to focus on a select few that will buy everything regardless.
Personally I would entertain a 5$ skin but never anything 10$+ and I know a ton of people that feel the same way.

 

[Redefine07]

Wanted to pre-order this shit , but I will wait for reviews. I better keep my $$ for FF-16 (also I will wait for review)

 

[hemo memo]

I will play it when it is F2P then.

 

[bender]

Tell me more.

You can respec on the fly so there are no long term commitments in that regard. You also don't dump points into attributes except for paragon points (bonus attributes after you hit the level cap but again can be respecced on the fly).

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

The betas were pretty mid and I like collecting everything in games.

If someone felt the beta was mid I sure get skipping the game.

Plus if someone has a hard time not buying everything in a store then its also pretty wise to skip the game

 

[Kacho]

I will play it when it is F2P then.

Ain't gonna happen unless the game flops, which is unlikely. Blizz want to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[Elder Legend]

You probably have the money for it, good. But most people dont, me included, i cant really afford to spend $30 for some cosmetic skins in a game. I wouldnt have issues if it was F2P, but DIV is a $70-$90 title already.

$28 for a skin might be feasible if you live in CAD/UK/US but for anyone else outside of those countries, $30 is lot of money to spend on digital items.

I don't buy cosmetics every single day. If I do, I usually only buy 2-3 a month and that's rare. I've prolly spend $300 on Fortnite in a course of like 2 years and that is fucking nothing.

 

[sendit]

Guess I’ll have to pick and choose what I want instead of buying everything.

Wait that’s what I do in real life so no change needed.

You mean you aren't forced to buy everything the moment you open your web browser, phone, walk in to a store.......What a life that must be.

 

[Fbh]

It would be interesting to see those metrics. It seems risky to turn off a majority of your users to focus on a select few that will buy everything regardless.
Personally I would entertain a 5$ skin but never anything 10$+ and I know a ton of people that feel the same way.

The game changer for the entire business model was the Battle Pass.
They don't want the average player buying individual skins, they want people on the battle pass. It's a double win for them because not only are they getting money but it also serves as a tool to keep players hooked and engaged which is vital for a GAAS to survive in the long run. And they can continuously release new "seasons" so it's basically an infinite carrot on a stick.

The truly genius move was when they started handing out premium currency through the battle pass. Because then you can entice people to buy $20 skins as they can pay for a part of it with premium currencty they got "for free" on the battle pass. Or at the most basic level people can just save up the premium currency to buy the next battle pass at a discount which ensures they keep playing.

Of course if you are the type of person willing to just pay almost $30 for a single skin they'll happily give you that option too. But it's something intended for whales rather than the average player.

 

[bender]

If someone felt the beta was mid I sure get skipping the game.

Plus if someone has a hard time not buying everything in a store then its also pretty wise to skip the game

My co-op buddy is the problem.

 

[8BiTw0LF]

Diablo IV should be F2P