It comes down to a lot of personal preference as there is no clear winner in this field as of yet, hopefully that will be micro led
what dim displays? stop trolling. 800 nits hdr in uncharted 4 exiting a cave is engraving the image in my fucking eyes. if anything, it is too bright.
what dim displays? stop trolling. 800 nits hdr in uncharted 4 exiting a cave is engraving the image in my fucking eyes. if anything, it is too bright.
It's plenty bright during the day but ANY display is supposed to be viewed at during the night/shades.
I actually hope oleds do not get any brighter.
Monitors I've always used at 100nits(reference fr sdr). Oled is only brighter in any condition.
OLED definitely provides excellent value for money, but if you ever get a chance to try a Z9 series Sony(65" and above, although their new FALD gaming monitors might be equally as good) and then had the budget or plan to amortise the cost over many years use, I think you'd be happier with one of those, Instead. But might still concluded at 4x or 8x times the cost of a mid-range OLED, the OLED was more than good enough.
The only dim thing here is your troll brain.
Having a higher nit count doesn't mean the whole image is brighter, not if the panel is good.
The newest Z9 is mini-LED and if the contrast on my old Z9D is good enough to almost match my friend's LG OLED in contrast, but is still massively brighter and clearer and with worlds apart DSP, then the newest J model with 20x the zones in each direction will be in another viewing dimension at that peak brightness - even without the XR per frame AI upscaling DSP IMO..
There are clear winners though, in certain areas.
Mister Wolf
OLED is plenty bright in a dark room, but it's not when you add black frame insertion. Heck it's even bright enough for a medium lit room if you don't have lights directly behind it, for reflections. With no bfi the hdr I saw on c1 was easily more impactful than my x900e, but for both of those displays I want them much brighter so the hdr still pops when using bfi.
I wish I could see that 48" in person. I was going to get one but they sold out, now I have to get the 55". But I did try the 48" Sony A9S and that OLED specifically was pretty dim (more dense pixels = less light getting throug), I wonder if that affects the 48" c1?what dim displays? stop trolling. 800 nits hdr in uncharted 4 exiting a cave is engraving the image in my fucking eyes. if anything, it is too bright.
It's plenty bright during the day but ANY display is supposed to be viewed at during the night/shades.
I actually hope oleds do not get any brighter.
Monitors I've always used at 100nits(reference fr sdr). Oled is only brighter in any condition.
It's not real life.
The dimming is something you will never notice in reality.
That's why you calibrate your panel to use in a bright room or dark room.
mini-LED is and microLED are entirely different.
Its what I meant there is no single winner do all everything is perfect displayThere are clear winners though, in certain areas.
VA LCD wins for Brightness, motion smoothness without interpolation, input lag when using black frame insertion; it causes a half frame hit on OLED because there's no backlight to implement.
On lg woled, near black is worse than VA lcd i.e. near black flash on compressed films. If you ever want to see this in all its non glory watch a black and white film like phantom of the opera.
On qd OLED this shouldn't be a problem. Both qd OLED and woled obviously, easily spank VA LCD in contrast. But qd OLED has the same inherent weaknesses and strengths as any self emissive display.
Micro led / Samsung qned (the latter will come first and may get rid of the need for micro led at all) will solve the brightness problem of OLED but still handle low fps motion worse than lcd, which we need a solution for better motion in general soon.
Honestly
Wasn't talking about auto dimming, as I didn't see that on c1 or my 55 A8h which I used for more than a year, I just meant the brightness level on the 48 compared to the 55.
And there probably never will be for many decades!
The best display I have seen is the Ipad Pro use of mini LEDs
Too bad TV's can't seem to have so high density of mini LEDs.
Trash? Really? Anyone that would describe LCD as trash after years of TVs that provide excellent PQ (overall) and in the Z9 series case could be argued as the best TVs money can buy; especially when they are the screens PlayStation first party devs and Kojima use as reference monitors for game development, especially HDR, is difficult to take serious. Sony's OLEDs are some of the best you can buy - because of the DSP - and yet their flagship TVs are the Z9 series, and have been for about 6 years.
Agree 100 percent on smart tvs, all that really does is give these companies a backdoor to mess with your set via firmware but people are too psyched for Netflix to give a shit. I never connected my TV's to wifi and when there's an actual good update, I plug in Ethernet and then unplug when it's done.
I still use a Sony xe9305 in the living room, and it’s still awesome, especially for HDR, I would never see any reason to swap it out if it weren’t for the missing features (VRR, 4k120hz).
I'm excited to see how the z9k turns out. But I do not like the current XR picture processor, and it will have the contrast killing x wide angle filter* unlike z9D, so it'll be interesting to see how the two compare.
bender
I agree that things were better built back then. You'd be very very lucky if any current OLED lasts 10 years. Heck my a8h got some serious banding that wasn't there when I bought it after 4 months :/ but how many ancient crts are still kicking?
I see that 48" is 50-100 nits dimmer compared to 55. Nothing significant
Going by Sony's z9K video comparing the Z9D's zones - 400-700 dimming zones from hdtvtest's attempt at counting in the original review - to Z9K zones size - there was 10-20 zones for every Z9D zone in x and y directions, so assuming around 50K zones minimum - even account for the difference between 4K and 8K that should still be like 10x the zone count in real terms over the Z9D.
That's actually a big deal when you're sub 1000 nits, esp. if you use black frame insertion. I think the 55" is the right one for me, like I said that 48 A9S was awfully dim. Hopefully your 48 is not as dim as that was
First of all the 8k mini led TV's from Samsung are much less than 3,000 dimming zones, so 50x z9D would be an impossibility. I think some are over 2,000 while some have been just shy of that.
That's interesting about the J model zones and not having the master backlight marketing beyond the reveal I watched back in 2020?2021?, because I was only tracking such versions as possible replacements for when our 65" Z9D finally rolls over.
Yeah to be blunt it's completely misleading. X95k with mini led and blmd has been counted at having 384 independently dimmable zones, meaning one cluster is one zone.
I mean if there are literally 4x as many stars on the 8k version, then yes but presumably we are talking about the same piece of content on both displays?
You might say the same thing about 8k in about 5 years.
That's not quite what I meant, because the Sony X1 Ultimate and XR 8K screens will attempt to enhance the source material to occupy more unique pixels even if it starts at 480p, but they don't need 1:1 dimming zones as demonstrated by how well 600 - 800 clusters does at 4K - or even +30 zones on your own do, the dimming can be much lower orders than 4 or 8K.
Is more resolution really better and an area where we'll see an improvement easiest? We are nowhere near to offline rendering quality for cgi in a full HD movie for game graphics, just yet, never mind full hd recording of real life which is orders more detailed at even SD..
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What games can you play at native 4K without framerate issues? My PC is struggling even at 1440p. DLSS and G-sync saves the day though.
