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[malfcn]

Fuck the future mentality.
Get yours now by any means.

They have no incentive now to change because we'll be long gone.
Maybe publish a report saying "these people destroyed the world" and name the names to shame for eternity. Then again, they'll probably cry from laughter and wipe the tears away with wads of money.

 

[liquidspeed]

Completely electric vehicles that get their power from power plants that have shit loads of emissions.

For now, but once the power generation is all solar, wind, geothermal, tidal, nuclear, etc then they will be truly Zero emission

 

[Lonely1]

While being a really terrible comparison. It does bring up an interesting point.
The situation worked out the way it did because people felt they had influence, there were alternatives for consumers.

The free market fails miserably with monopolies or actions that have significant negative effects outside the working entities. Did consumers have a viable alternative to a gas or diesel vehicle at any point?

Edit: If you are measuring outrage, it's been there in waves for decades. Of course a gaming forum is going to make a considerable stink about the situation consoles.

People net to let go their cars.

 

[NateDrake]

Completely electric vehicles that get their power from power plants that have shit loads of emissions.

While that is true, in the case of Tesla they are trying to lure people into an EV car and then get them to install solar panels for easy charging.

 

[EatinOlives]

Completely electric vehicles that get their power from power plants that have shit loads of emissions.

Easier to control the emissions and effects thereof when coming from large centralized sources instead of millions of mobile emission generators zipping around 24/7.

 

[Futurematic]

It costs a few tens of millions of dollars/year to run 747ish aeroplanes over the Arctic dumping neutral particles at 70,000 or so feet up, simulating a volcano.

Blocking the sun will thicken up the ice, and thus cool the world. At least that's what our current models think.

Would I choose geo-engineering if I had a choice? No. But humans--or more particularly democratic governments and their short term focus--are dumb and unwilling to spend literally meaningless money, so that's one of the very few viable options left outside of AI and digital human minds and colony worlds (that reactionless drive looks promising at least, since we're on a timer).

 

[Brakke]

This got covered by On The Media this week. Interview with Inside Climate News and also with an Exxon representative.

 

[MrCunningham]

Worst kept secret ever.

 

[antonz]

We need to kill coal power plants with haste. Taichung Coal Plant in Taiwan outputs as much carbon dioxide by itself as all the Carbon dioxide produced in Switzerland each year. They plan to increase the capacity of that coal plant by almost 50% over the next decade or so.

China has 15 plants that are similar in scope and then dozens more within 50-75% of capability.

 

[Frog-fu]

This some crime against humanity.

 

[HK-47]

Just like lead in gasoline. Scientists working for big oil are criminal scumbags.

 

[onadesertedisland]

I don't understand how people can know this, and keep it secret for so long.

 

[Lime]

I don't understand how people can know this, and keep it secret for so long.

Whistleblowers are punished to such a degree that it would be suicide to reveal the 'secret'.

And keep in mind that climate change/global warming was never a secret. Only a willful denial by people only concerned with getting their paycheck or refusing to face the atrocious and immoral actions they've committed.

 

[The Hermit]

I am reading this in my bed, and its 30°C degree in the Spring and still far from Summer.

I live in Sao Paulo BTW and the temperatures here are getting higher and higher every year.



And it is going to get worse. We are fucked

 

[a.wd]

You know when people say "I vote conservative" I wonder how you can vote against your own best interest. But then we have evidence of environmental impact, and wide scale corruption and people put up more of a fight regarding gay marriage, or who wins dancing on ice.

People are largely disinterested, easily led, and unwilling to do anything long term, imo of course, but look at what sparks national outrage and how mad people go over this.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

This indirectly reminds me of a conversation I had with someone high up in the police chain here while attending an event on privacy. He reasoned the current political structures are failing and a corporate take over was not only inevitable but needed. He said corporations are a lot quicker to respond than bureaucratic governments and are much more beholden to public scrutiny, so if they abuse their power they will immediately rectify things so that it won't cost them money.

Looking how little something like this has affected and will affect Exxon's stock price to me confirms how unrealistic his vision actually is.

 

[Hypron]

Easier to control the emissions and effects thereof when coming from large centralized sources instead of millions of mobile emission generators zipping around 24/7.

Yep. You make your power plant 10% more efficient and that improvement directly affects all electric cars. You make a new gas engine that's more efficient... Well only people buying a car with one of those engines will be affected.

 

[norinrad]

Do you come down on Exxon specifically, or big oil in general? What would the next step be?

Sadly, i guess most of the scientists who could help sue these bastards are long dead and gone.

 

[entremet]

I'm pretty pro environment, but I'm optimistic we will develop eco friendlier energy sources.

The biggest issue here is moving away from the automobile.

It is a complete disaster in many levels.

 

[Mathieran]

This has me so worried for the future. I try to do all I can but we don't have a lot of money. We bought the most fuel efficient vehicle we could afford, unplug appliances when not being used, recycle, etc.
I'll probably be okay but what about my baby boy? How much will he suffer later in life? I pray all the time that we find a solution to this problem. I wish I was smart enough to help figure this stuff out.

 

[Jonm1010]

I'm pretty pro environment, but I'm optimistic we will develop eco friendlier energy sources.

The biggest issue here is moving away from the automobile.

It is a complete disaster in many levels.

The auto is going to be needed in some capacity for commerce to continue. No way around it. We aren't going back to horse and buggy.

Minimize the amount of vehicles putting out carbon emissions should be the goal. All public and private transportation using enviorenment ally sustainable fuel should be the priority. Secondary should be large scale vehicles like semis and construction equipment that will take longer to transition.

 

[entremet]

The auto is going to be needed in some capacity for commerce to continue. No way around it. We aren't going back to horse and buggy.

Minimize the amount of vehicles putting out carbon emissions should be the goal. All public and private transportation using enviorenment ally sustainable fuel should be the priority. Secondary should be large scale vehicles like semis and construction equipment that will take longer to transition.

Of course. My ideal is more nuclear and less gas powered vehicles. Electric cars sound great, but we need more government support behind them like the original automobile got.

But we really need to stop it with suburban style development. It is terrible for the environment.

We need more walkable and mixed used zones.

 

[norinrad]

socialism is designed as the perfect system for society where everybody gets to live an incredibly comfortable life without needing to worry about financial issues and any luxury item would be obtainable by anybody but it would never work in practice as shown with russian communism because human greed results in a small group of people seizing all of the power and exploiting the system to make the perfectly equal society unequal in their favor.

Socialism and Communism are two different things.

 

[Always-honest]

Well, i'm sure it was worth it for the people who knew. They had a hell of a ride, i hope.

 

[Limited Edition]

Instead, we saw an SUV and Horsepower craze so people can feel better about their tiny penises.

You know childish comments like this do your arguments no favors. You just come off as a smug asshole.

 

[neogaffer1]

Socialism and Communism are two different things.

communism was a real world attempt at socialism. the reason we view them as two different things is because it turned out to be an abject failure and that failure is now what we view as communism. but at its core it started out as trying to apply socialism to the real world, and the fact that it failed tells us how pure socialism will never succeed.