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100 Million PS4 sold but don't read too much into it

yurinka

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Evil, can you give us a breakdown of PS4 vs Switch worldwide for the last 3 years...…..2017, 2018, 2019....
I can't help with this but here you have all consoles launch aligned per fiscal year (not natural year):


If Sony achieves the 15M they estimate PS4 will sell during the current FY on March 31st, 2020 will continue ahead of PS2 launch aligned.

 
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ethomaz

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Yea possibly. I don't really know the numbers. But he'll still take a random number of days off until that number is in Switch's favor then announce.

For example: PS4 beat Switch total up-to-date during same period (28 months).
Piscatella: "Switch is the fastest selling console in the history of the universe at exactly this moment of posting of 27 months, 3 weeks, 1 day, 7hrs, 48mins and 19s. Have to shout about this now because one second later it won't be. And I dislike Sony. Hunh."
Mat talks exclusively about US and with WW sales PS4 being ahead for just a small gap I believe US has Switch ahead (there is no data to confirm).

But I understand your sentiment... Mat is a biased analyst trying to play the unbiased role.

In the theory territory I believe it is a NPD thing... NPD let Mat control the NPD data in ERA because they wanted to hide some data to favorace some narratives but they failed because leakers break their goals every single month... so Mat stopped to try to control the narratives, left ERA and choose to direct attack the leakers (that are now hidden without leaks anymore).

Now why? Well I have no ideia... maybe some big player is asking NPD to control their public data and NPD is afraid to lose that big partner.
 
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Was that the reference? You've been sitting on that one for a while. Well done.
 

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Evil, can you give us a breakdown of PS4 vs Switch worldwide for the last 3 years...…..2017, 2018, 2019.....

100 million PS4's????? Pfft, that's nothing.......Come back to me when you've killed a 1 billion skeletons online Sony......How about 200 million Krakens killed? Get with the times Sony or get out,...….

Disclaimer; MS just cashed out their online monthly Kraken Kills.....just moments ago at the Bank of RedMond……(xbox division)


January - March 2017 :
PS4 : 2.9 million
Switch : 2.74 million

April - June 2017 :
PS4 : 3.3 million
Switch : 1.97 million

July - September 2017 :
PS4 : 4.2 million
Switch : 2.93 million

October - December 2017 :
PS4 : 9.0 million
Switch : 7.23 million

January - March 2018 :
PS4 : 2.5 million
Switch : 2.93 million

April - June 2018 :
PS4 : 3.2 million
Switch : 1.88 million

July - September 2018 :
PS4 : 3.9 million
Switch : 3.19 million

October - December 2018 :
PS4 : 8.1 million
Switch : 9.41 million

January - March 2019 :
PS4 : 2.6 million
Switch : 2.46 million

April - June 2019 :
PS4 : 3.2 million
Switch : 2.13 million
 

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Mat talks exclusively about US and with WW sales PS4 being ahead for just a small gap I believe US has Switch ahead (there is no data to confirm).

But I understand your sentiment... Mat is a biased analyst trying to play the unbiased role.

In the theory territory I believe it is a NPD thing... NPD let Mat control the NPD data in ERA because they wanted to hide some data to favoraced some narratives but they failed because leakers break their goals every single month... so Mat stopped to try to control the narratives, left ERA and choose to direct attack the leakers (that are now hidden without leak anymore).

Now why? Well I have no ideia... some big player is asking NPD to control their public data and NPD is afraid to lose that big partner.

I thought the very same thing. I wonder. :pie_thinking:
 
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January - March 2017 :
PS4 : 2.9 million
Switch : 2.74 million

April - June 2017 :
PS4 : 3.3 million
Switch : 1.97 million

July - September 2017 :
PS4 : 4.2 million
Switch : 2.93 million

October - December 2017 :
PS4 : 9.0 million
Switch : 7.23 million

January - March 2018 :
PS4 : 2.5 million
Switch : 2.93 million

April - June 2018 :
PS4 : 3.2 million
Switch : 1.88 million

July - September 2018 :
PS4 : 3.9 million
Switch : 3.19 million

October - December 2018 :
PS4 : 8.1 million
Switch : 9.41 million

January - March 2019 :
PS4 : 2.6 million
Switch : 2.46 million

April - June 2019 :
PS4 : 3.2 million
Switch : 2.13 million
PS4 even today sells more WW than Switch... that is a fact.

Switch is neck a neck with PS4 if you launch align the data because Switch first year had basically two launch/holiday periods (March and November/December) while PS4 had only one (November/December) with heavy supply issues for half of the first year.

PS4 in terms of selling power is ahead Switch... to be fair even comparing Nintendo consoles Switch fall behind Wii.
 

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Matt seemingly would get annoyed when users would ask about PlayStation sales with respect to the others. I've read some snarky comments from him on this board and era when he use to post. Maybe he just doesn't like PS fans, that would be my guess.
That makes him biased imo.
Why get annoyed with PS fans asking about PS4 sales compared with others? I think that is pretty normal... if a Ninty fan ask about Switch sales compared with others? And X fans ask about Xbox One sales compared with others? I believe there is nothing wrong with that so he getting annoyed just shows he has a side (that is pretty normal too... the fact he tries to hide it is funny).
 
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That makes him biased imo.
Why get annoyed with PS fans asking about PS4 sales compared with others? I think that is pretty normal... if a Ninty fan ask about Switch sales compared with others? And X fans ask about Xbox One sales compared with others? I believe there is nothing wrong with that so he getting annoyed just shows he has a side (that is pretty normal too... the fact he tries to hide it is funny).
I can't really answer that. I just remember him being a little snarky with PS fans more than a few times.
 
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The man lost his shit on era when people made fun of his labo prediction or when somebody dared to call the Wii a fad. Mat was the death of NPD threads here and on era, the fact they let him intimidate leakers on GAF and Era with legal actions, was just sad atleast ban him and let him do it by twitter or some shit.
 
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The man lost his shit on era when people made fun of his labo prediction or when somebody dared to call the Wii a fad. Mat was the death of NPD threads here and on era, the fact they let him intimidate leakers on GAF and Era with legal actions, was just sad atleast ban him and let him do it by twitter or some shit.

Im not familiar with what happned would you mind explaining it in greater detail? With that said him and other sales "insiders" (Benji) seemed extremly petty and thin skinned. I was blocked on twitter by piscella for i dont even know what. Also blocked by zhuge for joking that sony was going to buy take 2 when that was a fake rumor. They all seem so petty and condescending.

Edit: And he was a full blown xbox fan boy. I remember when i was a lurker, All the crap about xbox making a comeback because of the X? Yeah that was him. Benji would chime in agreeing with him. Its amazing how much influence those 2 had/have. He and zhuge would shut down and even ban people for pointing out things were not all that rosie for xbox.
 
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Congrats to Sony, but everyone know that is mostly because Microsoft screw really bad at the beggining, or things will be like past gen with a close tie
 
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Im not familiar with what happned would you mind explaining it in greater detail? With that said him and other sales "insiders" (Benji) seemed extremly petty and thin skinned. I was blocked on twitter by piscella for i dont even know what. Also blocked by zhuge for joking that sony was going to buy take 2 when that was a fake rumor. They all seem so petty and condescending.
These guys take their fame within the community way to seriously. Somebody que the South Park smelling your own farts gif please.
 

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Interestingly, during the last quarter PS4 outshipped Switch worldwide by over 1 million units, counter to NPD trends for the US.

That's pretty damn impressive for a console close to entering its last year.

I havent seen any switch global numbers by area/country

I would bet that it is lot like xbox sales, which sells well on US and not so well anywhere else.

Switch is known to sell well in US+Japan and maybe UK, but other areas of EU and rest of the world? Probably not.

Playstation sells well on almost anywhere.

Switch is too expensive, too weak and have too little of real AAA-games to be chosen in Playstation Dominated areas.

Unless you are not mario-fanboy = switch is worse in almost all aspects (portable gaming isnt a thing in many country)
 

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Congrats to Sony, but everyone know that is mostly because Microsoft screw really bad at the beggining, or things will be like past gen with a close tie

Why do people keep telling themselves this lie?


100 million is the norm for PlayStation home consoles & even when they released a $599 console a year after the competition they still made it close to 100 million.

Microsoft didn't mess up in the beginning Xbox One started off better than any other Xbox.
 

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Congrats to Sony, but everyone know that is mostly because Microsoft screw really bad at the beggining, or things will be like past gen with a close tie
I highly doubt that.

PS3 tied with 360 when Sony launched a year late $600 machine.

In a equal play field PS will always sell more than Xbox.
 

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January - March 2017 :
PS4 : 2.9 million
Switch : 2.74 million

April - June 2017 :
PS4 : 3.3 million
Switch : 1.97 million

July - September 2017 :
PS4 : 4.2 million
Switch : 2.93 million

October - December 2017 :
PS4 : 9.0 million
Switch : 7.23 million

January - March 2018 :
PS4 : 2.5 million
Switch : 2.93 million

April - June 2018 :
PS4 : 3.2 million
Switch : 1.88 million

July - September 2018 :
PS4 : 3.9 million
Switch : 3.19 million

October - December 2018 :
PS4 : 8.1 million
Switch : 9.41 million

January - March 2019 :
PS4 : 2.6 million
Switch : 2.46 million

April - June 2019 :
PS4 : 3.2 million
Switch : 2.13 million
So basically NA only gives half the story.....Don't worry, I won't ask you for XBOX sales.... Tee Hee!
 

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This really puts into perspective how bad the 48% drop in hardware revenue is for Xbox.

What was the 48% drop in relation to for Xbox One? Was it a 48% drop compared to last year's same quarter or compared to literally the same quarter before this most recent one?
 

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Why do people keep telling themselves this lie?

Its the same people that don't see or want to believe a shift has occurred. Its the same mentality of the Windows Mobile users (which I am one) and developers for about 6-8 years as iOS/Android took over. Its the same people were saying how Microsoft had turned it around and...

- the Xbox One S would sell large amounts of consoles
- getting rid of the Kinect would sell large amounts of consoles
- da cloud would sell consoles
- Xbox Game Pass would sell large amounts of consoles
- the most powerful console ever built (X) would sell large amounts of consoles
- cheaper Xbox One SAD edition would sell large amounts of consoles

How many consoles would they have sold if they didn't do this stuff? Like 18?

The shift has already occurred, which is why Satya forced Phil to change strategies. The cloud boy is going to do what the cloud boy does.

Ever the tactician, Nadella is changing the rules, instead. By unveiling the video-game streaming service Project Xcloud, he’s saying the console doesn’t matter as much moving forward.
 
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For Sony it's sold once it leave their warehouse , it's not like Wal-Mart & so on are going to ship the consoles back to Sony
Thank you for being intelligent! I am a shipping supervisor, I do this shit everyday. Once it's out LTL, FTL, small parcel ect. that shit is sold!
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In certain circumstances the buyer can ship back, but usually only for defective items or insufficient funds. (at least at my job)
 
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What was the 48% drop in relation to for Xbox One? Was it a 48% drop compared to last year's same quarter or compared to literally the same quarter before this most recent one?
48% drop in hardware sales compared to the same quarter last year.

Of course being cheaper (or having promotions) helps to that 48% drop but even so the drop in units are massive unless XB1 and X where sold near half the price this year compared with last year.
 
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The Switch is also on track to match the PS4 at the same points in their respective lifetimes. It will likely pass the Bone this year in lifetime sales despite being available a fraction of the time.

This gen will mark the 3rd time out of 3 tries MS will finish the gen in last place. One really wonders what value MS sees in the console business and why they keep throwing good money after bad.
 
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The Switch is also on track to match the PS4 at the same points in their respective lifetimes. It will likely pass the Bone this year in lifetime sales despite being available a fraction of the time.

This gen will mark the 3rd time out of 3 tries MS will finish the gen in last place. One really wonders what value MS sees in the console business and why they keep throwing good money after bad.

I think they've figured this out. Hence why Gamepass and Xcloud are becoming so important to them.
 
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Wait 3.2 million! Is that more than what the switch sold so far this year?!
 

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Ouch! No wonder why MS is basically giving away GamePass for both consoles and PC.

Ive said it before and ill say it again. The wheels are falling off the xbox brand. Some of us have been calling a spade just that for awhile now but this year's dud of an E3 show made the scales from some the true beleiver's eyes fall. Even guys like crap gamer and MBG are smart enough to wake up and smell the coffee. The 360 glory days a long gone and all the good will xbox built up in that generation has long dried up.

Phil's job right now is to convince the true believers to hang in there long enough for xbox to transition from a console manufacturer platform holder into some sort of cloud streaming hybrid publisher. In laymens terms, they are in fact looking to exit the console side of thing but are not ready to pull the bandaid off just yet because they still generate some revenue from xbox live. The writing is on the wall, all you have to do is read it. Dont be surprised in 2021 when phil walks onto sonys e3 stage to annouce the Halo infine port to ps4 and ps5. Mark my words.
 
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Wind back to 2013, where the fanboys were calling out Sony, saying their next console would be shit due to sony being in financial dire straights.

Sony built the PS4 on a shoe string, coming off of a disaster with the ps3, a new guy in charge, a move to the US and still, against all odds and aI competitor with deeper pockets and more goodwill, designed the fastest selling console of all time.

Keep your corporate shilling at the door and take a moment to reflect on what an achievement it is/was.

Sony was on death ground and came out fighting. Hopefully Microsoft will do the same next gen.
 
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Only the fourth home console to reach this milestone.

1. PlayStation 2 - 155 million
2. PlayStation - 102.5 million
3. Nintendo Wii - 101.6 million
4. PlayStation 4 - 100 million (and counting)

PS4 will be #2 on the list very soon, but it won't catch the PS2.

#5 on the list is the "failure" PS3 at 87.4 million.


God bless the luck of Sony.
 

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It could come very close to PS2's milestone. It all depends on how it maintains the momentum fro here on out.

They have a lot of room to drop the price, and I mean, who knows. The industry is bigger now than it was back then. I'm optimistic.
 
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Ive said it before and ill say it again. The wheels are falling off the xbox brand. Some of us have been calling a spade just that for awhile now but this year's dud of an E3 show made the scales from some the true beleiver's eyes fall. Even guys like crap gamer and MBG are smart enough to wake up and smell the coffee. The 360 glory days a long gone and all the good will xbox built up in that generation has long dried up.

I felt like the shift actually occurred long ago, as far back as 2007, or the beginning of the shift. As Wii dominated with a casual (two Gamecubes duct taped together console), while MS/Sony pour billions into the more hardcore experience. This lead to some very bad decision, in my opinion. I felt like Sony double down on the core and hardcore players and games, and Microsoft went the other way.

Early days of Xbox were great, imo, 2001-2008... after 2009 slow steady decline although sales peaked a few years later.

 
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It could come very close to PS2's milestone. It all depends on how it maintains the momentum fro here on out.

They have a lot of room to drop the price, and I mean, who knows. The industry is bigger now than it was back then. I'm optimistic.

I think another thing that will help it have a long tail is I'm betting we'll get more cross gen games and for longer into the generation than ever before.

The hardware should be the same architecture wise and make scaling games down pretty easy. That way budget limited folks can just grab a PS4 to play whatever new game got them off the fence instead of splurging for a PS5. I don't think that will be a huge driver of sales or anything, but it will keep sales going as people opt to get a cheap PS4 for some new release and to catch up on PS4 games. It could especially happen in places like central and South America.