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“It's time to give fans something that can only be enjoyed on PlayStation 5”

hope he sticks up to his words

I'm sure Jim Ryan wants a "generational divide." I just don't see how the PS5 can launch with exclusive software support. The Sony studios couldn't have had more than 1 - 1.5 years top to develop for it given the specs hadn't been finalized till probably a year ago. You can work with targeted specs, but there are, and will always be, too many variables with newer systems. If they do launch with exclusives, I would be expecting them to be somewhere along the lines of The Order 1886 and Knack. I'm probably the only one who loved The Order 1886, but it was too short and desperately needed a sequel to finish of the story line.
 

Hobbygaming

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Mike Ybarra who used to work for Microsoft, sounds like he prefers PlayStation's approach too
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Mannnnnn those new games playable only on PS5 think of the possibilities, 4 talent trees instead of three, 2 shrubs to hide in and throw rocks from instead of one, 2 sad dads instead of 1. Just endless possibilites with the genius imaginative minds of Sony devs on board.

Then we have the ssd power, jumping in between two , three, four, five six or even 7 worlds at the drop of the hat. No load times just jump between worlds just cos the jump from ps5 only is so huge.


🧂🧂🧂
 

geordiemp

Member

Mannnnnn those new games playable only on PS5 think of the possibilities, 4 talent trees instead of three, 2 shrubs to hide in and throw rocks from instead of one, 2 sad dads instead of 1. Just endless possibilites with the genius imaginative minds of Sony devs on board.

Then we have the ssd power, jumping in between two , three, four, five six or even 7 worlds at the drop of the hat. No load times just jump between worlds just cos the jump from ps5 only is so huge.
 
Mike Ybarra who used to work for Microsoft, sounds like he prefers PlayStation's approach too
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It's a fair point. In a few years we will need to reflect back on each approach and how they panned out. My first reaction was it seems like a shame to handcuff the beast XsX to current-gen consoles, but maybe in the long run it will be best for MS, while the generational divide approach was better for Sony.
 

Redlight

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It's a fair point. In a few years we will need to reflect back on each approach and how they panned out. My first reaction was it seems like a shame to handcuff the beast XsX to current-gen consoles, but maybe in the long run it will be best for MS, while the generational divide approach was better for Sony.
I think it'll only be first party launch games that will be most impacted. HIstory indicates that those games really don't leverage the new hardware to it's max, in fact that takes quite awhile, so the cross-generation aspect won't be a big deal.

Also let's remember that third parties are the vast bulk of games and they are free to choose from the start. Some are already next gen only.

The second wave of MS first party games are unlikely to be available until at least year two (the same with Sony) and those are the games that may need alternate versions for older tech. I think the policy is really just a carrot for current Xbox owners to stick with MS during the transition period to new hardware.

I also think the policy will be history by the time we get to the third wave of first party games.
 

Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Interesting since until recently I only ever heard the argument from PC gamers.
Well they are wrong. Even if consoles didn't exist, nobody is going to be making games for the highest end hardware that only a miniscule portion of their customer base has. Development is always going to be focused on the largest install base.

Now if we are talking about the next gen consoles, sure there could and will be games that can only run on next gen consoles, but those are going to be few and far out. I really don't see MS vs Sony's approaches ultimately affecting game quality at the end of the day.

If and when I start seeing a bunch of games that truly and undeniably cannot be scaled back to current gen, I will reconsider my opinion, but right now, I think it is a whole lot of nonsense.
 
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Why not both, which MS can easily do like the PS5 will be (have both BC and exclusives)?

Its fine if its just graphical enhancements, but if a developer is truly utilizing the advantages of the new systems, they would be able to create games that just aren't possible on older systems. If they are forced to develop for the lowest common denominator then the new games will be little more than what an enhancement patch might add to any last generation games that are already out there.
 

Psykodad

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Something that can only be enjoyed on ps5 eh?
Imagine an exclusive porn game. Press x to grab a boob. Then you use the sixaxix to move it left and right. I heard ps5 will have pressure sensitive triggers. You use that to squeeze the boob. If you go too hard the girl goes oooo that hurts, ease up champ. Teheee. Now I'd buy that at launch.
Jim Ryan, make it so.
In VR
 
Microsoft have to focus on BC because they have a smaller customer base that will upgrade vs Sony.

If each company expects 3% of their current user base to upgrade day 1, then Sony will have 3 million and Microsoft will have 1.5 million install base.

There's not much profit if you're not only selling to 1.5 million people but also giving the games away for free via gamepass.

There is no financial sense is making an exclusive game for a next gen Xbox. Its far more lucrative to make them cross gen until your user base has built up... That is unless you hide your figures by including PC numbers in to 'exclusives'
 
I also think the policy will be history by the time we get to the third wave of first party games.
Third wave of software in a modern console gen would practically be the latter half of a console's life. By then the console war would have been decided already. As it is we could barely have two games in the same franchise show up on the same console hardware.
 

Gravemind

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People actually still fall for this kind messaging?

Theres nothing wrong with wanting the PS5, and nothing wrong with wanting PS5 exclusives that arent playable on PS4. That's perfectly fine. But please stop pretending that Sony is doing you any favours from this.

"Its time to give gamers something new". "Our fans deserve something that isnt available on the previous console". Lol, like they actually believe that. More like "buy or new box and help our bottom line".

These companies, both MS and Sony, have their alterior motives and agendas and are not looking to do you a solid out of the kindness of their hearts.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
That's perfectly fine. But please stop pretending that Sony is doing you any favours from this.

It is only that interest aligns and if they put it in their marketing it would hurt them financially to act as if they did not.

That is the same about privacy, sustainable production (energy wise and materials wise), and ecosystem focus for Apple: it is so key to their product offering that people believe that these are values for the company that Apple will go to great lengths to publicly act in accordance to it.
 

Gravemind

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It is only that interest aligns and if they put it in their marketing it would hurt them financially to act as if they did not.

That is the same about privacy, sustainable production (energy wise and materials wise), and ecosystem focus for Apple: it is so key to their product offering that people believe that these are values for the company that Apple will go to great lengths to publicly act in accordance to it.

You actually believe that Sony gives two shits about rewarding its fans and giving them an experience that is unique to the next generation? They care about selling hardware, software, and services. And that's it. Their messaging is geared towards getting you to buy a PS5. End of story.

Again, same goes with MS and Nintendo, and every other corporation. People really ought to just stop heaping praise on these corporations and their pieces of plastic. They want your money, and that is it. Buy the products that interest you, but ballwashing and virtue signaling for these corporations is just cringey and sad.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
You actually believe that Sony gives two shits about rewarding its fans and giving them an experience that is unique to the next generation

Do you even read the messages you quote or just see red and reply? Please re-read. Some people may believe it and some may not, believing in corporations good will was not the point of the post.

The point was aligning of consumer interest and the self interest corporations have to ensure their products keep selling and their brand image is powerful and in line with their actions and viceversa. Do you think cares about the Environment and Privacy as much as they say? It does not matter, you as customer can take it as if they did because they made it so central to their brand and so easily checked and verifiable as commitments that they are tilting sales to it and sales of a niche that must rely on them.
 
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Psykodad

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You actually believe that Sony gives two shits about rewarding its fans and giving them an experience that is unique to the next generation? They care about selling hardware, software, and services. And that's it. Their messaging is geared towards getting you to buy a PS5. End of story.

Again, same goes with MS and Nintendo, and every other corporation. People really ought to just stop heaping praise on these corporations and their pieces of plastic. They want your money, and that is it. Buy the products that interest you, but ballwashing and virtue signaling for these corporations is just cringey and sad.
Holy crap, do you sound butthurt. You might want to take a step outside.

Obviously all the corporations are out to make money, but name one company that let studios/teams like Team ICO and MediaMolecule develop their projects (TLG and Dreams respectively) up to 10 years, when they know they won't even release AAA blockbuster system-sellers.
There's a lot of passion for gaming on Sony's side, as well as Nintendo's.
 
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People actually still fall for this kind messaging?

Theres nothing wrong with wanting the PS5, and nothing wrong with wanting PS5 exclusives that arent playable on PS4. That's perfectly fine. But please stop pretending that Sony is doing you any favours from this.

"Its time to give gamers something new". "Our fans deserve something that isnt available on the previous console". Lol, like they actually believe that. More like "buy or new box and help our bottom line".

These companies, both MS and Sony, have their alterior motives and agendas and are not looking to do you a solid out of the kindness of their hearts.
Yes, because not using the technology you've been spending years and millions of dollars creating is a really good angle.

Both Sony and their customers get something they want. We get something that can't be played on a PS4. This is all we want. A true next gen jump.

Sony wants to give us that, and in turn they get our business, and our money. This is how a successful business operates. Sony knows their target market.
 
Hmm, something that can only be enjoyed on PS5? Well, that's clearly H:ZD 2.

However, I doubt we'll be seeing it at launch. I also doubt we'll get a new God of War before 2022, to be honest. Games that massive take a lot of time. Perhaps we'll get a new Killzone at launch (or a remake or remaster). I see at least one new IP turning up in the first month, though.

On BC: as a PS fan, I hate to say it, but I doubt we'll be seeing full PS1 and PS2 BC on the PS5. The machine is fully capable of doing so, but I don't see it happening. PS3 is absolutely 100% not happening. The reason I think this is because Sony have said that all PS4 games from June must be certified to work on PS5. Reading between the lines, that means that not all PS4 games currently work on PS5. That's quite disappointing, although Sony did already hint at that earlier in the year. Given how the PS4, PS4 Pro, and PS5 are all x86 AMD machines, you'd think this would be a no-brainer, but APIs (and ABIs) have likely changed a bit, meaning things aren't quite in the state they'd need to be.

MS should be applauded for the work they've done on XSX BC, but I have to wonder if they're perhaps a little too focused on that. They don't seem to have very much luck with new IPs, so it seems they're sticking with what already works for them.
 
In terms of what exactly? Controller features,audio features? I'm sure Xbox will also show next gen only titles in July as well such as Playgrounds new Fable, Hellblade 2, The Initiatives new project etc.... Don't think those will be cross gen given we don't expect those titles to come out for a few yrs.

If he's talking about just 1st party, then duh they'll only be playable on PS5 at launch until some probably hit PC in the future.

At any rate, excited to see what they show
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
The reason I think this is because Sony have said that all PS4 games from June must be certified to work on PS5. Reading between the lines, that means that not all PS4 games currently work on PS5

No, they said that new game submissions will have this additional PS5 BC as part of the TRC certification process. So if they were to have problems, keyword “if” there, the dev would have to fix them to ship their PS4 title even if minor.
 
That is called new generation ;)
I think having BOTH cross-gen and next gen exclusives is the way to go. More consumer friendly. MS will also have next gen only titles like Hellblade 2, The Initiatives new game, Playgrounds new Fable etc....unless those were confirmed to be crossgen too? I expect Halo Infinite to take full advantage of XSX.
 
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Dick Jones

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I think it's smart. You have Sony 1st party concentrating on PS5 games (not limited by hardware) and Microsoft limiting all their games to be compatible with the XBone. PS5 looks more the bright shiny toy to the general consumer and possibly given the impression that it is the stronger console. On top of that if you have 3rd parties making games that are for both XSX and Xbone, then it's not hard for them to make them for PS4 and by extension that can play on PS5. Sony would still have the merged cross generational games as it will play on both PS4 and PS5 but what incentive is there for buying an XSX day one when it's only advantage is reduced load times and prettier graphics? They are hardly must upgrade reasons when the games are the same. Halo should not have been Xbone compatible. It should have been their crown jewel in showing off what the console can do, it won't have that wow factor when it's released but I hope that Microsoft prove me wrong in July.
 
I think it's smart. You have Sony 1st party concentrating on PS5 games (not limited by hardware) and Microsoft limiting all their games to be compatible with the XBone. PS5 looks more the bright shiny toy to the general consumer and possibly given the impression that it is the stronger console. On top of that if you have 3rd parties making games that are for both XSX and Xbone, then it's not hard for them to make them for PS4 and by extension that can play on PS5. Sony would still have the merged cross generational games as it will play on both PS4 and PS5 but what incentive is there for buying an XSX day one when it's only advantage is reduced load times and prettier graphics? They are hardly must upgrade reasons when the games are the same. Halo should not have been Xbone compatible. It should have been their crown jewel in showing off what the console can do, it won't have that wow factor when it's released but I hope that Microsoft prove me wrong in July.

Don't understand this. Is Hellblade 2,The Initiatives new game, Playgrounds new Fable confirmed to be cross gen? Also believe Halo Infinite will take full advantage of the XSX.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
In terms of what exactly? Controller features,audio features? I'm sure Xbox will also show next gen only titles in July as well such as Playgrounds new Fable, Hellblade 2, The Initiatives new project etc.... Don't think those will be cross gen given we don't expect those titles to come out a few yrs from now.

Not sure how XSX fits here, but we shall see. I see it as a commitment that these new titles will not waste precious resources and dev+QA time on anything not PS5 related.
 
I think having BOTH cross-gen and next gen exclusives is the way to go. More consumer friendly. MS will also have next gen only titles like Hellblade 2, The Initiatives new game, Playgrounds new Fable etc....unless those were confirmed to be crossgen too? I expect Halo Infinite to take full advantage of XSX.
I am going to assume you are not playing dumb, so I am going to explain it to you.
1st party games are made to sell consoles. That is the only reason they exist. The issue with crossgen 1st party games is that it doesn't help sell the new console.

"So what"? You might ask. Well, the issue is that I don't believe for a second that Microsoft truly think no 1st party next gen games for the next year and a half is actually a good thing. That they are not doing this because they are trying to be "consumer friendly", but because they have no choice.

That the 1st party Next Gen Xbox games are in production, but they are not going to make it at launch or even NEAR launch. And as such MS is pretending they did this by choice. That they intentionally cut off the legs of the Xbox Series X sales potential out of being "consumer friendly".

I really don't care how console wars go. But I see outright lies for what they are. Microsoft made no actual choice to be consumer friendly, their next gen 1st party games are simply late. And for the last few months people are falling over themselves trying to agree that MS is doing this out of the kindness of their hearts.
 
I am going to assume you are not playing dumb, so I am going to explain it to you.
1st party games are made to sell consoles. That is the only reason they exist. The issue with crossgen 1st party games is that it doesn't help sell the new console.

"So what"? You might ask. Well, the issue is that I don't believe for a second that Microsoft truly think no 1st party next gen games for the next year and a half is actually a good thing. That they are not doing this because they are trying to be "consumer friendly", but because they have no choice.

That the 1st party Next Gen Xbox games are in production, but they are not going to make it at launch or even NEAR launch. And as such MS is pretending they did this by choice. That they intentionally cut off the legs of the Xbox Series X sales potential out of being "consumer friendly".

I really don't care how console wars go. But I see outright lies for what they are. Microsoft made no actual choice to be consumer friendly, their next gen 1st party games are simply late. And for the last few months people are falling over themselves trying to agree that MS is doing this out of the kindness of their hearts.
The problem with your statement is that we don't know if or how many big PS5 exclusives are going to be launching either. They can very well be 1/2/3 yrs out as well.

Not playing dumb, just making a fair observation.

Buying Halo Infinite, Cyberpunk 2077 on current gen and then getting free next gen upgrades or the BC program are all consumer friendly, whether the games released late in a console lifecycle or not is beside the point.
 
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The problem with your statement is that we don't know if or how many big PS5 exclusives are going to be launching either. They can very well be 1/2/3 yrs out as well.

Not playing dumb, just making a fair observation.
Why do you assume Sony and MS are neck to neck and are exactly the same? They are clearly different companies who do things differently. They said different things and make different games. What kind of magical observation are you making that makes you think the two companies are in any way similar? Sony is going to have a reveal of PS5 game next week; are you suggesting that they are so incompetent as to not be abler to release any of those games until a year after launch?
 

Dick Jones

Gold Member
Don't understand this. Is Hellblade 2,The Initiatives new game, Playgrounds new Fable confirmed to be cross gen? Also believe Halo Infinite will take full advantage of the XSX.
How can they take full advantage? The games are limited by the current generation. It will look better is all, with reduced loading. What other difference will exist between them? The level design has to follow XBone so in what ways is Halo going to take full advantage of the XSX?

Also why buy a console day one to replace the one you have when all games can be played on both. That's a future console replacement change and not really a day one incentive. It's great for those with the Xbox One as they don't need to upgrade for a while anyway as they are not missing out on anything.
 

Redlight

Member
Yes, because not using the technology you've been spending years and millions of dollars creating is a really good angle.

Both Sony and their customers get something they want. We get something that can't be played on a PS4. This is all we want. A true next gen jump.

Sony wants to give us that, and in turn they get our business, and our money. This is how a successful business operates. Sony knows their target market.
Imagine a PS5 game that could run on the PS4 but at a lower framerate/resolution but isn't released for the older console purely for marketing reasons. Is that still 'all you want'?

That sounds a little anti-consumer to me.
 
How can they take full advantage? The games are limited by the current generation. It will look better is all, with reduced loading. What other difference will exist between them? The level design has to follow XBone so in what ways is Halo going to take full advantage of the XSX?

Also why buy a console day one to replace the one you have when all games can be played on both. That's a future console replacement change and not really a day one incentive. It's great for those with the Xbox One as they don't need to upgrade for a while anyway as they are not missing out on anything.
Like they've been doing the past decade or so on pc. Or how The Witcher 3 runs on switch vs PC ultra settings.
 
Imagine a PS5 game that could run on the PS4 but at a lower framerate/resolution but isn't released for the older console purely for marketing reasons. Is that still 'all you want'?

That sounds a little anti-consumer to me.
You are imagining something that doesn't exist. But then, I am used to it in game forums at this point. Reality will assert itself soon enough. No matter how much spin is applied, eventially the hardware and games come out. And we will find out how ineffective dreams are in altering reality.
 

Dick Jones

Gold Member
Like they've been doing the past decade or so on pc. Or how The Witcher 3 runs on switch vs PC ultra settings.
So just looking shinier. Sony are creating the narrative that the level design for 1st party will be incomparable with previous generations and if that is somewhat true, MS are stuck with bottlenecks from the previous generation until they cut the cord with XSX having to play on older systems.

Why not buy a high powered Gaming PC in that case, if it is only prettier graphics you want? MS will be putting their games on PC so it makes more logic than buying the XSX. If you do have a gaming PC, why waste money on an XSX when you can use the money to buy the MS catalogue with shinier graphics.
 

Redlight

Member
How can they take full advantage? The games are limited by the current generation. It will look better is all, with reduced loading. What other difference will exist between them? The level design has to follow XBone so in what ways is Halo going to take full advantage of the XSX?

You mean like the revolutionary generational gameplay difference between Red Dead Redemption 1 & 2, or recent CODs, Battlefields, Assassin's Creeds, Fallouts or Far Crys? Or pretty much any major series that's been around long enough to cross multiple generations?

Oh wait, that was pretty much just graphics wasn't it?

In my experience gameplay revolutions generation to generation are not quite as common as you seem to think.
 
So just looking shinier. Sony are creating the narrative that the level design for 1st party will be incomparable with previous generations and if that is somewhat true, MS are stuck with bottlenecks from the previous generation until they cut the cord with XSX having to play on older systems.

Why not buy a high powered Gaming PC in that case, if it is only prettier graphics you want? MS will be putting their games on PC so it makes more logic than buying the XSX. If you do have a gaming PC, why waste money on an XSX when you can use the money to buy the MS catalogue with shinier graphics.

Just "shinier"? We're talking native 4k/60fps on ultra settings vs 540/720p struggling to reach 30 fps with significantly downgraded settings. The Witcher 3 on PC ultra setting vs the Switch version is beyond a generational leap

I think you're expectations for PS5 are too high my friend.
 
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Imagine a PS5 game that could run on the PS4 but at a lower framerate/resolution but isn't released for the older console purely for marketing reasons. Is that still 'all you want'?

That sounds a little anti-consumer to me.

..............what?

Sony has that much support for the PS4, with games that are still being made for it that previous owners won't get left behind in a LOT of titles.

Sony wants to make titles that are exclusive to the PS5 hardware to make sure it stands out from the crowd.

If you think this is in anyway a bad thing...

You're a little miffed, and that's okay. But the board you're looking to post on is a long way away from here.
 
..............what?

Sony has that much support for the PS4, with games that are still being made for it that previous owners won't get left behind in a LOT of titles.

Sony wants to make titles that are exclusive to the PS5 hardware to make sure it stands out from the crowd.

If you think this is in anyway a bad thing...

You're a little miffed, and that's okay. But the board you're looking to post on is a long way away from here.
I think you misunderstood. The user is just pointing out that games are made to be scalable. Games like The Witcher 3 on PC Ultra settings can also be made to run on something as weak as a Switch. This has been going on for decades. There is no reason to expect it can't continue.
 
I think you misunderstood. The user is just pointing out that games are made to be scalable. Games like The Witcher 3 on PC Ultra settings can also be made to run on something as weak as a Switch. This has been going on for decades. There is no reason to expect it can't continue.

Oh, I apologise then if I came off snarky.

And I understand that its been happening for decades and will continue to happen.

This is a huge jump in technology, so why can't we expect that it shouldnt continue? if you can create something that cannot be scaled or replicated anywhere else, shouldn't you try?
 
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