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Could it be that people know to differentiate fantasy from real life attitudes and behaviour?

The average porn user may have more egalitarian views towards women than non-users, a contentious new study has suggested.

Researchers at Western University in Canada have even argued that many pornography fans might be “useful allies” in women’s struggles for equality in the workplace and in public office.

Taylor Kohut, the study leader and a post-doctoral fellow in psychology, analysed data from 35 years of the General Social Survey, a US government-funded project that interviews around 24,000 men and women a year about a variety of issues.

They reported in the Journal of Sex Research that the 23 per cent of people who said they had watched an “X-rated” film during the previous year were no more or less likely to identify as feminists than those who did not watch porn.

They also found that, on average, porn-watchers expressed more positive attitudes towards women in positions of power, as well as less negative attitudes towards abortion and women in the workforce.

Kohut said: “I’d rather not live in a culture where our government decide to regulate [or] outlaw behaviour or material because they assume it’s harmful. I’d rather they demonstrate it is, first.”
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Of course, some feminists are not pleased.

Men may say on surveys they believe in equality of the sexes, but still treat women as disposable sex objects, she said. Dines cited a 2014 German study of 384 males that found frequent porn use was linked to sex practices such as hair pulling, hard spanking and gagging.

“Maybe some of these guys do believe in abortion more, maybe they do believe women should hold office more, but they still want to ejaculate on the woman’s face and they still want threesomes and all that,” said Dines, one of the world’s leading anti-pornography activists. “Men have less interest in actual sex with a real woman; they want to act out the porn sex.”
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The horror.

Meanwhile, indicators of male aggression like rape and domestic violence have been decreasing through the Internet era, said Christopher Ferguson, a psychology professor at Texas A&M International University who tracks the effect of media on behavior.

“Any tiny effect that (porn) is having is being washed out by a lot of other, more important things,” he said. “I think if porn were going to ruin society, it’s already had 20 years to do it … And it’s not happened.”
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Study.

Censor my internet if old.
 
I mean sure, if I want to have a 3some than hell yea, its just sex, I would also love more women in positions in power.
 
One very important thing to remember is that many feminists differ on their opinions of porn.

Some groups have been saying exactly what this study suggests for years.
 
MartyStu said:
One very important thing to remember is that many feminists differ on their opinions of porn.

Some groups have been saying exactly what this study suggests for years.
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Alas, the Dworkin cretins are the ones carrying the torch since they are the most vociferous.
 
They also found that, on average, porn-watchers expressed more positive attitudes towards women in positions of power
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facesitting is hot
jk. kinda.
Not surprised by this, but pretty much everybody watches porn anyway so...
 
The average porn user may have more egalitarian views towards women than non-users, a contentious new study has suggested.
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Yet another benefit to knocking sex off the puritan pedestal.

Sex negative feminism boggles my mind.
 
I think in a healthy adult male that this is true.

But introducing a 12 year old who is learning about sex and relationships to the myriad of extremes out there on the internet isn't very healthy. Unfortunately this is how a lot of kids see sex for the first time. I think that's how negative attitudes towards women develop in teenage and young adult males in some cases. They might hope for real life relationships to mirror the pornographic encounters which is not anything like reality.
 
23qwerty said:
wait what does this have to do with tumblr?
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The much maligned Tumblr feminist archeotype. Read: Andrea Dworkin with a half-mohawk types.

Everybody knows that Tumblr is the biggest repository on Earth of Stoya GIFs, though.

Brutalitops said:
Ironic that tumblr is angry about literally the only thing it has ever positively contributed to.
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I was (not so?) obviously joking. Although there's some ferocious commenting going on ATM.
 
I do think the fact that most asked were close to 45 years of age does not give a good overview. The argument made is how it effects youth not how someone getting to the age the will need Viagra feels
 
antonz said:
I do think the fact that most asked were close to 45 years of age does not give a good overview. The argument made is how it effects youth not how someone getting to the age the will need Viagra feels
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yeah, it would be interesting to see this study applied to 16-25 year olds. I think a population that has almost 30 years of experience interacting with possible mates/boyfriend/girlfriends would be affected much differently.
 
From what I understand it's not feminism (main stream feminism I guess?) that is anti-porn, it's just a certain version of feminism some people have that is anti-porn just like some some feminism is anti-prostitution while other versions of feminism isn't. I don't think sex negative or anti-porn is part of the mainstream feminism (and tumblr is majority mainstream feminism).
 
Most of what I see on tumblr is pretty sex positive.

I watch porn/read porn all the time. Also, tumblr is like, fandom haven right? The shit they write in fanfiction can be worse than porn.

I doubt anyone on tumblr save for the craziest sex negative folk are bothered by this.

Also, I don't get this:

Men may say on surveys they believe in equality of the sexes, but still treat women as disposable sex objects, she said. Dines cited a 2014 German study of 384 males that found frequent porn use was linked to sex practices such as hair pulling, hard spanking and gagging.

“Maybe some of these guys do believe in abortion more, maybe they do believe women should hold office more, but they still want to ejaculate on the woman’s face and they still want threesomes and all that,” said Dines, one of the world’s leading anti-pornography activists. “Men have less interest in actual sex with a real woman; they want to act out the porn sex.”
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As long as it's between two consenting adults, what is the issue with spanking and hair pulling? Hair pulling can be pretty hot, the scalp is super sensitive after all.

Not really into spanking or come shots, but that doesn't mean no one else is, thanks.
 
I'd guess that's because the average adult men who don't watch porn predictably also have a very conservative stance on women's issue.
 
RE: tumblr

If you connect all humans via a worldwide communication protocol, you will find some percentage of outrage on nearly any topic.

^ cut and paste as necessary for future threads.
 
7DollarHagane said:
yeah, it would be interesting to see this study applied to 16-25 year olds. I think a population that has almost 30 years of experience interacting with possible mates/boyfriend/girlfriends would be affected much differently.
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I'm not sure what would be the point of conducting this study among people particularly young, since they are still developing their social skills and ways to interact with the other sex. Besides, it's not like people currently in their 40's had to have the finest attitudes towards women back in their teens.

hobblygobbly said:
From what I understand it's not feminism (main stream feminism I guess?) that is anti-porn, it's just a certain version of feminism some people have that is anti-porn just like some some feminism is anti-prostitution while other versions of feminism isn't. I don't think sex negative or anti-porn is part of the mainstream feminism.
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Anti-porn and anti-prostitution feminism are ABSOLUTELY mainstream, more visible and ultimately powerful than sex-positive feminism when it comes to activism.

And that's a crying shame.

Mxrz said:
Eh. We used to pass around porn vhs tapes back in the day. Most of us turned out normal and only occasionally try to rewind our partners.
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Edit: this too. Not to mention those times where we'd watch our parent's smut on VHS and then try to set the tape to the precise minute dad would have left it so he wouldn't notice.
 
Always annoying when science doesn't support your agenda.

7DollarHagane said:
I think in a healthy adult male that this is true.

But introducing a 12 year old who is learning about sex and relationships to the myriad of extremes out there on the internet isn't very healthy. Unfortunately this is how a lot of kids see sex for the first time. I think that's how negative attitudes towards women develop in teenage and young adult males in some cases. They might hope for real life relationships to mirror the pornographic encounters which is not anything like reality.
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Eh. We used to pass around porn vhs tapes back in the day. Most of us turned out normal and only occasionally try to rewind our partners.

I'd say the whole toxic nature of internet 'debate' is more to do with any negative imprinting than seeing some boning.
 
Funky Papa said:
Anti-porn and anti-prostitution feminism are ABSOLUTELY mainstream, more visible and ultimately powerful than sex-positive feminism when it comes to activism.

And that's a crying shame.
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I wouldn't have thought so.

If that were true, than I think is says more about the psychology of those who would be outraged. A person who is vocally outraged about feminist issues might be more prone to be outraged about porn.

But by and large, I don't feel feminist theory is overwhelmingly sex-negative at all.
 
12 years old boys and girls aren't that dumb, they are capable of putting such things in context.

The same with violence in videogame etc.
 
BocoDragon said:
I wouldn't have thought so.

If that were true, than I think is says more about the psychology of those who would be outraged. A person who is vocally outraged about feminist issues might be more prone to be outraged about porn.

But by and large, I don't feel feminist theory is overwhelmingly sex-negative at all.
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There may be a chance that national differences may be skewing my perception, but if you look at some European nations, sex-negative feminism is a rather powerful force.
 
Mxrz said:
Always annoying when science doesn't support your agenda.



Eh. We used to pass around porn vhs tapes back in the day. Most of us turned out normal and only occasionally try to rewind our partners.

I'd say the whole toxic nature of internet 'debate' is more to do with any negative imprinting than seeing some boning.
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This isn't to say everyone who watches a porn when they are 14 is going to be violent to women. But I think it doesn't help a developing mind deal with attraction to the opposite sex.

I mean, how many parents are having a conversation with their 14 year old boys that the videos they see on the internet are just fantasy and real women don't act like that and shouldn't be treated like that? That's the important thing, I think.
 
BocoDragon said:
RE: tumblr

If you connect all humans via a worldwide communication protocol, you will find some percentage of outrage on nearly any topic.

^ cut and paste as necessary for future threads.
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The way Tumblr functions makes it uniquely awful as a discussion system because of the way the system functions end up warping the userbase.

It's totally great for creative stuff though- art, stories, etc.
 
Men may say on surveys they believe in equality of the sexes, but still treat women as disposable sex objects, she said. Dines cited a 2014 German study of 384 males that found frequent porn use was linked to sex practices such as hair pulling, hard spanking and gagging.

“Maybe some of these guys do believe in abortion more, maybe they do believe women should hold office more, but they still want to ejaculate on the woman’s face and they still want threesomes and all that,” said Dines, one of the world’s leading anti-pornography activists. “Men have less interest in actual sex with a real woman; they want to act out the porn sex.”
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But vanilla sex gets boring after a while for a lot of people yo
 
Just cause I like seeing a chick get drilled by four dudes at the same time does not mean I don't respect women and their struggles.
 
Funky Papa said:
There may be a chance that national differences may be skewing my perception, but if you look at some European nations, sex-negative feminism is a rather powerful force.
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I can't know the details of European nations, but I would have thought they'd actually be less sex-negative than the North American viewpoint I view feminism through.

There is definitely some want to be heavily policing of "negative portrayals of women" (i.e. sexy portrayals of women), but an actual porn-negative stance? Not so much.
 
Maybe the title is formatted as a list. Things watching porn does not cause negative attitudes towards:

- women
- Tumblr fumes

BocoDragon said:
There is definitely some want to be heavily policing of "negative portrayals of women" (i.e. sexy portrayals of women), but an actual porn-negative stance? Not so much.
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I think some of the worry regarding negative portrayals of women in the media is to do with the fact that there is a character being portrayed and that character and their portrayal as "expressing their sexuality" are being directed by external agents so it's not really an expression of their sexuality. With porn there's obviously still people giving them directions but I think the line between actor and character is probably a little thinner than many other forms of live-action media so less people worry about it.
 
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Strangelove77 said:
Do most dudes really want to have threesomes?
Seems intimidating to me outside of porn.
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All sexual interactions have some intimidation-factor.

7DollarHagane said:
I think in a healthy adult male that this is true.

But introducing a 12 year old who is learning about sex and relationships to the myriad of extremes out there on the internet isn't very healthy. Unfortunately this is how a lot of kids see sex for the first time. I think that's how negative attitudes towards women develop in teenage and young adult males in some cases. They might hope for real life relationships to mirror the pornographic encounters which is not anything like reality.
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How old are you ?

I'm 29. I'm watching porn since i was 10. Sure i didn't have the myriad of options that today the web allows but i watched it quite a bit. Many friends did the same. We had awesome discussions about it. It didn't create negative attitudes. It didnt create expectations to mirror pornographic encounters (well i definitely have some fetishes which were probably stimulated from porn ). And i really didn't need nobody to have a conversation with me. I was raised by my parents and that seemed to be more than enough to understand the context of porn.
 
backslashbunny said:
lol @ tumblr. I might as well post things from facebook from super right wing crazies, and say things like "Evolution is required in Alabama, facebook freaks out."



I see quite a bit of anti-prostitution, not so much anti-porn. If anything, most of the anti-porn sentiments fall into two camps-- bigger women comparing about unrealistic body standards [read: please give us affirmative action for women's bodies], or... a very, very, very small subset of angry religious people. There are also feminists concerned about young women being possibly coerced into doing porn, but as porn becomes more accepted, I think that there is a bigger supply of people willing to go into it, and that stigma/occurrence is dying down now.

Anti-prostitution I understand, but the resistance to it is not so much to the act of selling sex (though, there are some people that believe selling consensual sex is still exploitative), but of the fact that many prostitutes are actually trafficked sex slaves, often from other countries.
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As Papa Moll said, it may be different in the US but we still get a lot of "Porn is degrading to women and bad" around here, at least in newspapers etc.

There has been more pushback from the other faction lately though.
 
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