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Why do people think MS will allow Elder Scroll and Starfield on PS5?

DragoonKain

DragoonKain

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Colin Moriarty talked about it on his latest Sacred Symbols. His take was the only way for MS to make that $7.5b profitable is to make the games available on all consoles. That by doing so, MS essentially profits directly on Sony's success of these games sales on Sony consoles since MS now owns Bethesda.

Also thinks MS not immediately announcing all games would be MS exclusive is telling. Thinks if they were they'd announce it immediately as a boss move.
 
Senua

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DragoonKain said:
Colin Moriarty talked about it on his latest Sacred Symbols. His take was the only way for MS to make that $7.5b profitable is to make the games available on all consoles. That by doing so, MS essentially profits directly on Sony's success of these games sales on Sony consoles since MS now owns Bethesda.

Also thinks MS not immediately announcing all games would be MS exclusive is telling. Thinks if they were they'd announce it immediately as a boss move.
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But they'd face a lot of backlash if they just came out and said LOL get fucked Sony. I'd never say never but I'm not that hopeful like Colin
 
Wandering Leopard

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lastmessiah said:
Serious question - do you think it is likely that MS have changed their stance on this since 2019, even after spending 7.5 billion dollars on an acquisition that began in 2018?
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I think the question is about the quickest path to earning back that 7.5, and then generating even more money on top of it.

Previously (somewhere in this thread), I said that I thought both titles will appear on PS5, and possibly other platforms.
Because as it stands, if both appear only on Gamepass and PC (at its current monthly cost) - I couldn't see how the numbers would add up.
 
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Orky

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Solid_Rain said:
I think the question is about the quickest path to earning back that 7.5, and then generating even more money on top of it.

Previously (somewhere in this thread), I said that I thought both titles will appear on PS5, and possibly other platforms.
Because as it stands, if both appear only on Gamepass and PC (at its current monthly cost) - I couldn't see how the numbers would add up.
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why spend so much then in the first place? By your logic, they should release all their games on PS5, including halo.
 
Sleepwalker

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Playstation podcaster unbiased opinion is that games MS games will go to playstation. I don't know the dude but I'm sure his opinion is worth a lot, podcasters always know more than financial advisors, accountants and people working within these corporations.


I'm sure Microsoft needs to make those 7.5 billion dollars ASAP so those games will go to every console, they will even be ported to the Wii U and the Apple ecosystem. After all, good old Microsoft is in this only for a quick buck and aren't playing the long game at all, if they don't make back those 7.5 billion within 3 years they are going to go bankrupt.


Don't worry guys, we will see PS5 Starfield pre orders go live next year.
 
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lastmessiah

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Solid_Rain said:
I think the question is about the quickest path to earning back that 7.5, and then generating even more money on top of it.

Previously (somewhere in this thread), I said that I thought both titles will appear on PS5, and possibly other platforms.
Because as it stands, if both appear only on Gamepass and PC (at its current monthly cost) - I couldn't see how the numbers would add up.
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It's really your numbers that don't add up. It would make no sense to spend 7.5 billion dollars just to "earn it back" by releasing on Playstation. MS does not see that money spent as something they need to earn back, they purchased an asset.
 
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Edgelord79

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Unequivocally no unfortunately. At the very least they will be timed. But other titles yes.

The exception is Nintendo. There is possibility there.
 
Gavon West

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Solid_Rain said:
I think the question is about the quickest path to earning back that 7.5, and then generating even more money on top of it.

Previously (somewhere in this thread), I said that I thought both titles will appear on PS5, and possibly other platforms.
Because as it stands, if both appear only on Gamepass and PC (at its current monthly cost) - I couldn't see how the numbers would add up.
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Jesus Christ...smh

You dont spend $7.5 billion dollars on an acquisition and try and rush the ROI. Thats not how this works. They weren't rushing the Minecraft acquisition either. These are long term game plans that pay off over a period of time, and I can guarantee they arent looking to recoup the billions they've spent in less than ten years time. They'll replace the $7 billion by this time next year. They arent worried about it. They dropped multi billions on the Nokia deal. When that didnt work, they simply backed out and wrote it off like it was burned pancakes. Gp will be self sustainable at 35 million subs. Their all ready at 15 million. Gotta read the tea leaves out there broski.
 
Velius

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Gavon West said:
Okay broski...whatever you say.
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Why don't you just tell me what you think is going to happen and I'll point out the things I agree with? I'm not trying to be condescending, I just really don't know what your stance on this is. It's clear you feel strongly about it.
 
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Greeno

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I think you guy should stop dwelling on the matter. When Starfield gets revealed next-year (I believe it will), we will know for sure if Bethesda games are exclusive moving forward or not.
 
Warablo

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Velius said:
Because they can collect revenue from Sony from any ZeniMax game on their platforms.

Could just be me but I see no reason to think that you won't see the next TES or Fallout on PS5.

Having said that it's always fun when one set of fanboys is sweating through their sheets
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Microsoft didn't buy Zenimax to keep the status quo of the business. They could have easily just spent the money to get Bethesda games to launch on Game Pass instead of outright buying them.
 
Gavon West

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Velius said:
Why don't you just tell me what you think is going to happen and I'll point out the things I agree with? I'm not trying to be condescending, I just really don't know what your stance on this is. It's clear you feel strongly about it.
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Its not passion. Its business. Its just logical.

This entire generation Microsoft has taken a HUGE beating about their First party games studio. This acquisition cost them....SEVEN 1/2 BILLION DOLLARS! With a "B".

If they wanted to just put games on Gamepass, it would be much, MUCH cheaper to lock Zenimax studios down for a year. Without even taking a step, Zenimax games wouldve been on the Series Xbox in either case. The point being is.....They did none of this. instead.....THEY BOUGHT THE RACK! The WHOLE RACK! The bought the Ip's, the devs, the buildings, the copy machines and company trash cans broski. They bought it all. Its not hard to understand. Especially after Amazon just made their own announcements of entering game streaming. they'll be looking to buy publishing arms as well, including Google. This gives us some major players in: Sony, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Nintendo and Facebook.

Thats alot of competition. Google, Amazon and Microsoft are the biggest juggernauts out of all them, With all these players, you're going to need to have the edge. You want to make sure people come to YOUR ecosystem and keep them there. You dont want them going to Sony, Nintendo, Amazon, Google or Facebook. Plus, before the other juggenauts get going, you starve them out from retaining any heavy hitters by investing just like Microsoft did with Bethesda. Because all it takes is one big hitter from Google and Amazon, and that changes the game. So let me ask you...

How do you make sure your ecosystem is more attractive to gamers and keep them locked in? I'll give you three guesses. You'll only need one.

Take your time....Really
 
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Guileless

Guileless

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DragoonKain said:
Colin Moriarty talked about it on his latest Sacred Symbols. His take was the only way for MS to make that $7.5b profitable is to make the games available on all consoles.
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I agree. The economics of AAA game development require availability on all platforms and years of steady sales.
 
MrFunSocks

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anothertech said:
Sorry bud. But that's not likely to change in the near or far future. Keep expectations in check.
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You've completely misinterpreted what I said. I'm not saying that this deal will make Xbox bigger than playstation in any way shape or form. Nothing I said indicates that, you've just come to that conclusion on your own.

What I'm saying is that they didn't pay $7.5bil to get essentially nothing out of it other than revenue. Making all their games from these 8 studios and franchises still release on Playstation consoles means that they haven't removed any reason for people to buy a playstation over an xbox. People that love Elder Scrolls can still buy a playstation instead of an xbox. People that love doom can still buy a playstation over an xbox.

Like seriously - it makes no sense to think that they'll release their games on Playstation. Why would they spend $7.5bil to keep supplying their competition with a steady supply of much anticipated games? Use your brain for 2 seconds.
 
Shubh_C63

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Slim chance to none. (edit- On second though, just None.)

ES6 as a service (its gonna happen) exclusive only to another Gamepass service. They would earn way more from Gamepass than shared revenue from ES6-currency or shared revenue from competitors via copies. Not to mention they're taking people away from their competition.
 
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MrFunSocks

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anothertech said:
Money

MS has made their position on exclusives clear . Anyone with a brain knows this.
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Have they? So Halo Infinite is releasing on PS5 is it? Where was Forza on the Playstation, I must have missed it.

You're living in a dream world if you think that they won't make more money by keeping those games from playstation than by releasing them on playstation and giving sony 30%.
 
MrFunSocks

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Sleepwalker said:
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Playstation podcaster unbiased opinion is that games MS games will go to playstation. I don't know the dude but I'm sure his opinion is worth a lot, podcasters always know more than financial advisors, accountants and people working within these corporations.


I'm sure Microsoft needs to make those 7.5 billion dollars ASAP so those games will go to every console, they will even be ported to the Wii U and the Apple ecosystem. After all, good old Microsoft is in this only for a quick buck and aren't playing the long game at all, if they don't make back those 7.5 billion within 3 years they are going to go bankrupt.


Don't worry guys, we will see PS5 Starfield pre orders go live next year.
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They should probably just take sony up on that paid timed exclusivity too! Think of the $$$$$!

Guileless said:
I agree. The economics of AAA game development require availability on all platforms and years of steady sales.
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So Spider Man Miles Morales and God of War 2 are coming to Xbox Series X and Switch?
 
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wolffy71

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Don't you find it funny they said the current contracts will be honored but stopped there? Didnt say these games will all stay multiplat. They will probably never unequivocally say these games will be exclusive because there may be a title that makes sense at some point and they wont want to limit themselves. Im sure fallout 76 will continues. Eso will continue. To think that a bunch of people say MS's weakness is exclusives and then turnaround and say the biggest game studio aqcusistion ever shouldnt address that weakness is unbelievable really.
 
anothertech

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MrFunSocks said:
Have they? So Halo Infinite is releasing on PS5 is it? Where was Forza on the Playstation, I must have missed it.

You're living in a dream world if you think that they won't make more money by keeping those games from playstation than by releasing them on playstation and giving sony 30%.
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Halo infinite isn't even releasing on series x at launch. But that's not the point...

I wouldn't be surprised to see ms put gamepass on PlayStation and switch Before long.

With a 3:1 hardware sales difference, yes, they would likely make more money putting their games on Other hardware at this point.
 
DavidGzz

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anothertech said:
Halo infinite isn't even releasing on series x at launch. But that's not the point...

I wouldn't be surprised to see ms put gamepass on PlayStation and switch Before long.

With a 3:1 hardware sales difference, yes, they would likely make more money putting their games on Other hardware at this point.
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3:1....it isn't even 3:1 now during MS's worst gen. There is zero chance this gen will be even worse than the Xbone gen. Keep dreaming.
 
DJT123

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Those particular games are NEVER coming to PlayStation. MS already have a natural 3rd party customer who scoop those games up in droves: PC gamers. Those games are precisely where xbox will differentiate itself from PlayStation at the console level.
 
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anothertech said:
Halo infinite isn't even releasing on series x at launch. But that's not the point...

I wouldn't be surprised to see ms put gamepass on PlayStation and switch Before long.

With a 3:1 hardware sales difference, yes, they would likely make more money putting their games on Other hardware at this point.
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Sure, Microsoft would love to put Game Pass on Playstation and Switch, but I don't think Sony and Nintendo would allow them. Although definitely in the case of Nintendo it would be cool to have xCloud on it.
 
Orta

Orta

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
You really shouldn't be so insecure about it, the reason for the doubt is because of the words of Phil Spencer himself and the Bethesda boss. Both said they want the games to be on as many screens as possible, Spencer even said specifically 'they will be on other consoles on a game by game basis'.

You're in denial if you think these games are 100% exclusive.
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Phil Spencers comments about other consoles carry as much weight as parents telling their five year old daughter "we'll see" when she asks them to buy her a pony.

He politely and casually dismissed Sony with that comment. Anyone can see that.

Bethesda have no say in the matter.
 
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Hendrick's

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NickFire said:
Kind of weak sauce evidence in that format. Whatever though, if MS is claiming they will keep every game not already under contract exclusive, then ok, +1 for everyone who thinks 7.5 billion was spent just to block PS5 players from playing it altogether.
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It was spent to bolster Game Pass. You don't do that by releasing your content on platforms where it isn't.
 
Klart

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Senua said:
But they'd face a lot of backlash if they just came out and said LOL get fucked Sony. I'd never say never but I'm not that hopeful like Colin
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Backlash from who? From people who would not buy their console, so they don't care.

If they wanted to push the sales of their console, I think they would have announced that from now on Bethesda games are exclusive to Xbox. People are making their choices now & a lot of those go for just one console.

I think they will make more money by having the games on all platforms.

And they can bolster Gamepass. Just have those games free at launch on Gamepass and make others (Playstation) pay 70/80 euro/dollar for it. Win/win.
 
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Guileless

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MrFunSocks said:
So Spider Man Miles Morales and God of War 2 are coming to Xbox Series X and Switch?
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PS4 Spider-Man and GoW are exceptions that prove the rule - released after Sony sold millions of consoles and had millions of potential buyers.
 
SoraNoKuni

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They will, they can offer those games for a ridiculous low price(Gamepass) and make them timed exclusives then release them for full price some months later on PS5.
It just makes so much sense business wise.
They don't care to sell many consoles, they already said that so many times.
 
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DavidGzz

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SoraNoKuni said:
They will, they can offer those games for a ridiculous low price(Gamepass) and make them timed exclusives then release them for full price some months later on PS5.
It just makes so much sense business wise.
They don't care to sell many consoles, they already said that so many times.
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With this logic why not just go 3rd party and release ALL of their games on competing platforms? The whole not caring about selling consoles was BS. They already announced that they plan to release more. Making $15 from millions of people also makes business sense. Subscriptions will snowball even more than they already are when Bethesda starts releasing their big games.
 
RokkanStoned

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SoraNoKuni said:
They will, they can offer those games for a ridiculous low price(Gamepass) and make them timed exclusives then release them for full price some months later on PS5.
It just makes so much sense business wise.
They don't care to sell many consoles, they already said that so many times.
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Unlikely. reciprocity would at least mean a whole year. That way they get the double dippers as well, while bringing value to gamepass and/or owning an Xbox Series X/S.

Also, they do indeed care about how many consoles they sell, since they've gone so hard on gamepass. Unless gamepass is on PS5, it makes very much sense for them to sell a lot of Xbox Series X/S, in order to grab them into the gamepass and service ecosystem. Otherwise they'd have long since dropped the console business and gone over to 3rd party publishing.

EDIT: That said, I think maybe Starfield could get a day one simultaneous release, since they likely want to grow that franchise so it gets to a similar position as TES and Fallout, and not bank on it purely as an exclusive. I might be wrong though.
 
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John2290

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Because Bethesda trust is in the gutter and they need to let out that fishing hook to pull in the gamers. For me example and I'd say I'm the average joe when it comes to Bethesda, I'm not buying an xbox for a 10/10 Bethesda game with only word of mouth and reviewer trust to go on but if I play a really good Bethesda game on PS5 and they make the next exclusive to Xbox you'd be damn sure I'll be buying an S to play it.
 
Hendrick's

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There is zero chance these games come to PS5 without Sony making some major concessions the other way. The question is, are they willing to do so?
 
FunkMiller

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Can anybody make a decent, level-headed argument for Bethesda games not making their games twelve month timed exclusives?
 
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Porcile

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DragoonKain said:
Colin Moriarty talked about it on his latest Sacred Symbols. His take was the only way for MS to make that $7.5b profitable is to make the games available on all consoles. That by doing so, MS essentially profits directly on Sony's success of these games sales on Sony consoles since MS now owns Bethesda.

Also thinks MS not immediately announcing all games would be MS exclusive is telling. Thinks if they were they'd announce it immediately as a boss move.
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Hey yo, Sony, here's another Bethesda game
And it's phat, watch the archer, time to pay the Spencer
And let that real exclusive provoke
See, you's a wannabe 'loc, and your console'll get smoked, and I hope
That your fans understand when you talk about buyin' me
The same games that you gettin' is payin' me
Motherfuck Mark Cerny! Motherfuck Jim Ryan! Motherfuck Sony!

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DavidGzz

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FunkMiller said:
Can anybody make a decent, level-headed argument for Bethesda games not making their games twelve month timed exclusives?
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The same reason Sony would not put all their exclusives on PC after 12 months. It would cost them console sales. It would also continue the narrative that Xbox has no games. We will soon find out if Microsoft really cares about console sales are not. Maybe you guys will be right and they will be times exclusives. I just don't know why they wouldn't do that with all XGS games if they are going to do it at all.
 
pasterpl

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Answering op; delusions

on the point of ms exclusives and some of the arguments in this thread, why ms don’t release forza horizon or sea of thieves on PlayStation? Fh would sell a lot on Sony platform. Why ms obviously paid stalker 2 developer for exclusivity (and lots more developers were paid to make their games exclusive on xbox). With this information do you still believe that ms will keep bethesda series multi platform?
 
Hendrick's

Hendrick's

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DragoonKain said:
Colin Moriarty talked about it on his latest Sacred Symbols. His take was the only way for MS to make that $7.5b profitable is to make the games available on all consoles. That by doing so, MS essentially profits directly on Sony's success of these games sales on Sony consoles since MS now owns Bethesda.

Also thinks MS not immediately announcing all games would be MS exclusive is telling. Thinks if they were they'd announce it immediately as a boss move.
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Colin is an idiot. He can't see past his Playstation bubble. He thinks Xbox is just going to become a publisher.
 
FunkMiller

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DavidGzz said:
The same reason Sony would not put all their exclusives on PC after 12 months. It would cost them console sales. It would also continue the narrative that Xbox has no games. We will soon find out if Microsoft really cares about console sales are not. Maybe you guys will be right and they will be times exclusives. I just don't know why they wouldn't do that with all XGS games if they are going to do it at all.
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Well, this is the main point. And the reason this entire thread is completely redundant.

We don’t know if Msft are 100% committed to console manufacture going forward, or if they plan on switching strategies should cloud and subscription gaming start to take off more.

Because if they do want to concentrate on hardware sales, then Bethesda games are far more likely to stay exclusive. But if they see the future not in hardware sales, then there’s every chance they will appear later on Ps5.

I‘d argue that either way, timed exclusives is the most profitable strategy for them.
 
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Hendrick's said:
There is zero chance these games come to PS5 without Sony making some major concessions the other way. The question is, are they willing to do so?
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They won't. Can you imagine them releasing GoW2 on Game Pass so PS users can play ES6? Not going to happen
 
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