He already said goodbye to river and I cried then too.
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Doctor Who: Time Of The Doctor |OT| 11's hour is over now... The clock is striking 12
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That was a great sendoff.
I'm so glad they finally addressed the exploding TARDIS. Interesting that the monster Silence are Priests.
But yeah, this was a better regeneration than Ten's. Better episode too (not saying much since The End of Time was garbage!)
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I'm so glad they finally addressed the exploding TARDIS. Interesting that the monster Silence are Priests.
But yeah, this was a better regeneration than Ten's. Better episode too (not saying much since The End of Time was garbage!)
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A bit torn. I liked it I think. Tied up a lot of loose-ends really simply which clears the way for more serious/simple/political plots with Capaldi. Didn't like some of it 'cause it was the standard "bang bang Moffat's here" kind of feel.
Regeneration wasn't sad at all for me really because Amy sucks. Clara's face did make me a bit sad though. Pretty hilarious how fast he regenerated.
Regeneration wasn't sad at all for me really because Amy sucks. Clara's face did make me a bit sad though. Pretty hilarious how fast he regenerated.
aHebrewMenagerie
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I'm still pissed about the fast regeneration. Capaldi looks like he's going to be fantastic. So much intensity in 30 seconds in his face.
StalkerUKCG
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Unquiet dead aired in April.
KuwabaraTheMan
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A perfect way to end Smith's era, by having an episode completely up its own ass with continuity references, a shambling narrative that never went anywhere, and a story filled with tons of things thrown in to 'look cool' and tons of 'clever dialogue', and an ending which completely cheated (apparently regeneration energy destroys Dalek ships now because reasons?). Throw in bombastic music at every turn, and you have every Steven Moffat story for the past three years.
Bravo Moffat. 10/10 for your masterful sendup of your era by going into complete self-parody. Okay, maybe some points should be docked for the lack of River Song showing up, and because you didn't quite manage to reference every single story from your entire era.
Bravo Moffat. 10/10 for your masterful sendup of your era by going into complete self-parody. Okay, maybe some points should be docked for the lack of River Song showing up, and because you didn't quite manage to reference every single story from your entire era.
Perhaps it was because Matt Smith was my Doctor, but I loved that episode. OK, it wasn't perfect. Again, like in the Wedding of River Song Moffat had way too many plot threads to pick up and complete in too little time, and there were a few plot holes (like someone mentioned before, the truth field being broken), but that was so spectacular it made me cry when I laughed at people that said they would cry. I first started to tear up when Clara met the crazy old Doctor, but absolutely lost it when Amy reappeared.
Forget you guys, I loved it.
But...I didn't like Capaldi as much as I had hoped. I really thought I would love him, but here it just kinda seemed like he was..."acting" like Matt Smith? I dunno, it was real. It didn't feel like he was THE Doctor. Then again, this is my first live regeneration so I gotta ask: does it ALWAYS feel like that?
That's what made it so fucking good. In fact, that's the best way to describe it ever.
Forget you guys, I loved it.
But...I didn't like Capaldi as much as I had hoped. I really thought I would love him, but here it just kinda seemed like he was..."acting" like Matt Smith? I dunno, it was real. It didn't feel like he was THE Doctor. Then again, this is my first live regeneration so I gotta ask: does it ALWAYS feel like that?
That's what made it so fucking good. In fact, that's the best way to describe it ever.
Tawney Bomb
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I enjoyed the episode, but the end really got me. It was great to see Amy there to send him off. It may not be popular opinion, but I'm gonna miss the hell out of Matt.
aHebrewMenagerie
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WAIT. What the fuck happened about the Doctor losing a leg? That wasn't addressed, was it?
WyndhamPrice
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I can forgive the abrupt regeneration because we already had the big showy one moments before. No need to do the same exact scene over again.
Liked it except for the super quick regeneration. I wasn't hoping for something like 10 -> 11 but something like 9 -> 10. It was just way too quick for me. Anyone have trouble understanding what 12 was saying towards the end of the episode? It was like the audio levels weren't mastered properly 
Judging by the Day of the Doctor, it was Rassilon and the council that went crazy, while the remainder of the military leadership was actually alright. If I had a guess, those guys were the ones who sent him the necessary energy.
Discotheque
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it should be popular opinion. matt smith was fucking awesome. he will be missed.
love capaldi so much though. this is the first time for anything where i was already convinced the new actor would be the best right when they were announced. he`s gonna do so great.
loved the flashy regeneration. he went super saiyan and just exploded everything. and then comes back to sneeze the new one out.
yeah the show has awful sound mixing for sure.
Seems like they definitely filmed it but It was cut.
ElRenoRaven
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I agree. with the huge show they had just had it would be overkill to do it again.
Jest Chillin
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Loved the episode. Absolutely loved it.
That's what she was insinuating, yes. That Clara must still be alive for River to still be "broadcasting." That discussion also had 11 saying that River should be wearing out, not in reference to her broadcast but in reference to her soul/imprint within the library. Of course that doesn't rule out future River episodes simply because of the nature of their paths criss crossing throughout time but she'd soon need some kind of regeneration since before long it won't be possible for the actress not to show signs of aging past the point of the Library.
That's how I interpreted it as well.
Well you have to remember that 11's major hang up was Amy. Clara coming along when she did only intrigued 11 in so far as her appearance in multiple places in his timeline. He does enjoy her but like Martha he was already enamored of his previous companion.
Not weapons, just Priests. They're engineered so that people can give them confessions and then forget that they ever gave them. Which is odd to say the least but so is that entire church.
Short answer is yes.
That's what she was insinuating, yes. That Clara must still be alive for River to still be "broadcasting." That discussion also had 11 saying that River should be wearing out, not in reference to her broadcast but in reference to her soul/imprint within the library. Of course that doesn't rule out future River episodes simply because of the nature of their paths criss crossing throughout time but she'd soon need some kind of regeneration since before long it won't be possible for the actress not to show signs of aging past the point of the Library.
That's how I interpreted it as well.
Well you have to remember that 11's major hang up was Amy. Clara coming along when she did only intrigued 11 in so far as her appearance in multiple places in his timeline. He does enjoy her but like Martha he was already enamored of his previous companion.
Not weapons, just Priests. They're engineered so that people can give them confessions and then forget that they ever gave them. Which is odd to say the least but so is that entire church.
Short answer is yes.
It's intentionally weird. You're following one actor x number of years (for even just a year), watch him "die" as the show tugs at your heart strings, then suddenly someone brand new appears and the tone swings wildly in the opposite direction as they're given all of 10 seconds to introduce themselves. That post-regeneration appearance is just a losing battle.
This is perfect. Too bad it doesn't fit.
Tried doing a version above, but it just isn't the same.
I'm still confused about what happened in The Name of the Doctor. Like, what happened to the graveyard? Did they rewrite history?
Basically, yes.
This is perfect. Too bad it doesn't fit.
Tried doing a version above, but it just isn't the same.
What about just, "Do you know how to fly this thing?"
yeah, the Doctor mentions that only the Time Lords would be able to change his fate, so the intent seems to be that NotD has been erased now.
twilitesparklemotion
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Aesthetic question:
How well-developed is Clara's arc?
I think it's tragically under-developed, and that she needed a full season. However, I'm not sure it's under-developed enough to throw out entirely. I'm trying to work out a way Eleven's run can be condensed into a coherent whole that ignores the obvious stalling that went on waiting for the 50th. It involves throwing out basically all of S7. Here's what I have:
This makes two seasons instead of three. (Thing I had in mind here was the fan shuffling of A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons after both books came out.) Only problem with that is that while The Snowmen -> Name of the Doctor gives us the Paternoster Gang and Clara's plot, none of the emotional connection between her and the Doctor is there. But do those four or five episodes in between make a difference?
How well-developed is Clara's arc?
I think it's tragically under-developed, and that she needed a full season. However, I'm not sure it's under-developed enough to throw out entirely. I'm trying to work out a way Eleven's run can be condensed into a coherent whole that ignores the obvious stalling that went on waiting for the 50th. It involves throwing out basically all of S7. Here's what I have:
This makes two seasons instead of three. (Thing I had in mind here was the fan shuffling of A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons after both books came out.) Only problem with that is that while The Snowmen -> Name of the Doctor gives us the Paternoster Gang and Clara's plot, none of the emotional connection between her and the Doctor is there. But do those four or five episodes in between make a difference?
You got that out of literally 20 seconds?
I told you, I'm still expecting great thinfs but its my first regeneration. I'd been watching the other ones in prep, and I still was weirded out. I'm sure with more context from his future seasons I'll love his regen all the same. I've already rewatched it like 5 times aha
Gonna chalk this one up there with you being weird
KuwabaraTheMan
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Did you expect anything different?
Jest Chillin
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The kidneys line immediately called me back to Matt's regen scene and I haven't been watching the others to prep myself. But the problem there lies with the writing, not the portrayal.
Oh stop with that. It's a flat out retcon, yes, but it's a retcon of his own stuff from 2 episodes previous. It's not nearly that serious.
Watching old regenerations doesn't help imo because you already know what happens next. When it's happening live, it always ends with a question mark, which kinda reinforces the "THIS is the next Doctor?" feeling.
Clara is under-developed so the solution is to cut out MORE of her episodes? :lol
Personally, while I liked Angels Take Manhattan, I think God Complex should have been Amy and Rory's finale, with Clara getting all of S7. I actually really like Clara - more so than most here it seems - but she really needed a full 13 episodes.
BigWeather
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This show tries to be too clever for its own good, or maybe I'm just not clever enough to follow it. I love the higher budget and the pace of New Who but the more I see of New Who the more I appreciate Classic Who. More self-contained stories that are easy to follow and not huge, overriding arcs going on. Sometimes with New Who I just go "huh?" and can't escape the feeling that they're just making it up as they go along. For a show that is supposed to be about the worth of the insignificant -- the little people, even a little planet like Earth -- it seems that every arc episode tries to get grander (hundreds of years of war! every race duking it out!) than the last. Ugh.
My favorite episodes are almost always the one-offs. Same is true of most of my other series as well, I suppose.
My favorite episodes are almost always the one-offs. Same is true of most of my other series as well, I suppose.
twilitesparklemotion
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That's my thinking exactly. She really doesn't do much for Eleven's plot/Matt's run except to set up the last trilogy---so let her do that, and then let her be Capaldi's companion. We're going to be "resetting" their connection anyway, so to speak.
Tawney Bomb
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I was doing good, but as soon as Amy came into the scene I realized I really didn't want Matt to leave. Still miss the hell out of Amy.
I think the whole thing about The Doctor getting more attached to those he first see when he's newly regenerated makes me hopeful they'll make Clara better. I think she has potential and I like Jenna.
Uh, I really don't know why anyone expected the Trenzalore we saw in Name of the Doctor to remain as is.
There were lots of things in it indicating that there's something off about the state Trenzalore was in. I thought River's grave was enough of a sign that it was a messed up version of reality
Worthintendo
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I'll admit I was hoping Rory and River would be there as well to be honest. But I can understand why they went with just Amy.
Plus in the past most of the regenerations were different, so I would rather each be its own thing.
Also I should learn not to read peoples impressions, I loved the episode, thought it was a great send off to Matt Smith, I will miss him dearly, really the best since the series came back. He's going to be a tough act to follow for sure.
River's grave wasn't a real grave though, it was a backdoor into the TARDIS.
Everything about this ep prior to getting the new regenerations from Gallifrey was leading up to the Trenzalore we saw in Name: from the war to the Doctor dropping dead from old age.
DangerMouse
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I really like the line they gave him for his first 30 seconds. It was a good note to end on and such a universal line lol. I'm looking forward to how they get us "into" our new Doctor when the new season starts.
Having Tennant and now Smith back to back has been ridiculously excellent (watching them together on the 50th special was crazy good too), totally going to miss him so much, great moments in his sendoff here too, and ofcourse totally looking forward to the new.
He should at least get an extra point for managing to reference the 1983 classic The Five Doctors =p
Yeah, I get that. I was just trying to prep and not be like the Tennant diehards that complained of Matt Smith before they saw his series. I'm only pointing out that I noticed myself falling easily into that trap as well haha
Here's my problem with it: the fact that Moffat literally wrote it two episodes ago. He set it up and it just seems like such an easy cop out to have them "rewrite" history. I thought that since he wrote the whole big graveyard sequence so recently that he had already had a plan for how he was going to go about it in the Christmas episode. I'm fine with what he did, I just expected him to do more and at least not write it out of canon.
I also loved this episode, I feel I need to reiterate that.
The Technomancer
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Did you have the same complaint about "the year that never was" in the S3 finale?
Future Foundation
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I think that's why The Doctor stayed for so long, because he knew they'd largely be screwed without him.
shadyspace
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Why did Amy show up is heaven real in this show
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