TheKaeptain
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#CyclopsWasRight
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COMICS! |OT| March 2013. Pinching Dr. Banner? Bad idea; Hulk pinches you back.
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Supermanisdead
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mutant and proud. all day, erry day #cyclopswasright
Apologizing for the "hobo piss" tweet is the right thing to do, but his tone is extremely defensive and he's still failing to acknowledge criticism of the page in question.
Father_Brain
Banned
The right move would be - whether he agrees with them or not - actually responding to the substantive critiques of the Havok speech made by Wheeler, Hughes, Brothers, and a few others, rather than making a single reference (strawman?) to someone, somewhere calling him a racist as an excuse for the "drown in hobo piss" tweet. But at least it's a start.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Half-ass apology
whatever, keep writing Captain America and releasing that Fear Agent Omnibus, I'll keep buying, Rick
whatever, keep writing Captain America and releasing that Fear Agent Omnibus, I'll keep buying, Rick
BuddyJoeHooker
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#ScottyTwoFace
Children's Crusade
All-New X-Men
Children's Crusade
All-New X-Men
doubt it. very few things dont blow over and remain apart of ones identity
Tizoc
Member
For Captain America:
Read Ed Brubaker's run, it's collected in TPB and in Omnibus form, it's a great starting point.
After Ed's run, read the current series. Other books to consider reading is Mark Waid's recent mini-series from a few years ago.
Plasticman:
Ah he did have a series during the mid 2000s, but I don't know if it is collected.
If anything, read Grant Morrison's Justice League as he featured in it in later stories.
Ghost Rider:
Anything by Garth Ennis, Daniel Way and Jason Aaron if you want something more modern.
Some of the runs I mention are from a few or some years ago but they are still good and worth reading.
Freezasaurus
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Bought it. Haven't read it yet. It's the last issue so far as I know. Unless they plan another mini at some point.
sol_bad
Member
Darn, I had no idea it was a mini. My local comic shop usually labels something as (3 of 5) if it's a mini. I guess they must have not realised.
I hope Remender himself decided to be the bigger man about this and apologize, rather than being told by editorial that it isn't exactly good PR to insult your fans in public.
And yes, I also agree in that there's still no dialogue with the critics. Maybe Havok's questionable expression of his well intended viewpoint and the lack of a suggestion for 'appropriate' nomenclature for mutants is going to be addressed in the comics.
On that note count me in as someone who doesn't find the term 'mutant' deragatory. They proudly call themselves that and coming from a scientific background I don't correlate the word with something inherently negative at all.
And yes, I also agree in that there's still no dialogue with the critics. Maybe Havok's questionable expression of his well intended viewpoint and the lack of a suggestion for 'appropriate' nomenclature for mutants is going to be addressed in the comics.
On that note count me in as someone who doesn't find the term 'mutant' deragatory. They proudly call themselves that and coming from a scientific background I don't correlate the word with something inherently negative at all.
Nice. So, can we expect a TPB soon?
BenjaminBirdie
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GrandHarrier
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People attribute mutant to disenfranchised minorities. They feel Havok is saying "Stop calling me gay/black/jewish". They feel it is assimilationist rather than inclusionist.
Oh and Remender blew up on a twitter.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
To be fair, Red Skull is a bad guy.
I'd feel even worse about it if they just went like "GAH! When I spoke...at that press conference...I was...under the thrall...OF ONSLAUGHT!!"
Lazarus Pit.
well first it was just criticism about a tonedeaf and inconsistent creative choice the writer made, and the question was, 'did he understand the underlying issue or was he the one that was tonedeaf, and not his proxy, Cyclops, Jr.?' And he got defensive, and I guess twitter trolling occurred(I didn't read all the tweets), and then he got pissed off, hobo style, and it turned into a thing.
vv: it's the enlightened ones you have to watch out for...
The way this speech is presented in the issue, combined with Remender's response to criticism and his previous comments about how he's approaching writing Havok, suggest that that's not going to happen and that readers are expected to regard this as an enlightened viewpoint.
I don't think all this criticism would be happening if there was any reason to think that this was going to be represented in the story as a controversial viewpoint.
GrandHarrier
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#ManufacturedControversey
I get what Havok is saying. At the end of the day we're all humans first and last. Everything else is just details.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
(Very slowly) making my way through the Marvel 700 I got, Age of Apocalypse, the most recent series, is/was really good!!
Except some humans count themselves more than others, and of course their details matter more than the details of others as well. So instead of being reductionist on top of it, they're advocating accepting the details and the humanity and all of it as equal. When you stand on the shoulders of giants, it helps to watch where you're going. And not tell people to drown themselves in hobopiss(tm) because of the discussion you started.
#itsathing
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
In real life the mutant classification would be challenged under the Equal Protection Clause, but since mutants periodically destroy and/or take over countries or the world, the government would be able to withstand the strict scrutiny test for discrimination against a protected class.
Am I doing it right?
Edit: Now that I think about it, since mutants would clearly be subject to legal government discrimination as a class, Havok's viewpoint is very rational. Caveat: haven't read the issue yet and I did not do well in my constitutional law class.
Am I doing it right?
Edit: Now that I think about it, since mutants would clearly be subject to legal government discrimination as a class, Havok's viewpoint is very rational. Caveat: haven't read the issue yet and I did not do well in my constitutional law class.
Like most big internet blow ups, if you didn't read the tweets and blog posts that accompanied it, it would be a non-issue. Havok said something stupid, then supervillains attacked.
Just gonna quote this.#ScottyTwoFace
Children's Crusade
All-New X-Men
#cuntlops
Freezasaurus
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Here, this quote from the Wiki may put your mind at ease:
Of course, intended is the key word, there. It depends a lot on sales and whatnot. Even fucking Dynamo 5 didn't sell enough in its last run to warrant more. Which is just sad.
It's Image.... sooo.... They'll announce it for a July release, but it won't actually come out until October.
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Finally read it. Art was great, story was lame (and I liked the Red Skull arc). I'm so sick of the Scarlet Witch whining about how nobody trusts her. Wonderman needs to go back to the turtleneck instead of dressing like the Fonz. I never would have given the speech a second thought.
Tizoc
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I need to catch up one of these days @_@.
Best Cyclops is when Joss Whedon and Morrison wrote the character.
slightconfuse
Banned
Some DC news
slightconfuse
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Rocketeer/spirt by Waid and Paul Smith
HELL YESSSSS
Cargo of doom was super dope
HELL YESSSSS
Cargo of doom was super dope
i feel like New52 is just 1952 DCU. it confuses me more and more.
I picked up the first two volumes on Comixology last month, just on a whim.
Other than the bad films I've no experience, but goddamn the books are awesome. Really good pacing, made me really excited about comics as a medium again.
Supermanisdead
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Got a Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 today and the comics app works perfectly. I thought whole page view would be too small at first but it's pretty readable. How did I read comics without this?
Ephemeris
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I thought they said they'd address that. I get the impression they're not going to use it.
It would suck if there's one left and
Knight
Squire goes back to her old identity? Or would it be Knight and Knight? lol
I bet neither gets it.
slightconfuse
Banned
booster gold retunring in all star western
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/03/30/booster-gold-begins-a-new-three-part-story-wondercon-wtf/
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/03/30/booster-gold-begins-a-new-three-part-story-wondercon-wtf/
I thought they said they'd address that. I get the impression they're not going to use it.
It would suck if there's one left andgets it. Not that I have a problem with the character, but thenKnightSquire goes back to her old identity? Or would it be Knight and Knight? lol
I bet neither gets it.
Nah, Morrison killed the boy. 'putting the toys back in the box', etc. He'll leave it up to someone else to being him back.
Supermanisdead
Member
Uncanny Xmen 186 (LifeDeath) is not on comixology. What a joke!
sazabirules
Unconfirmed Member
Sweet Rafael Albuquerque is drawing the backup for Batman during the Zero Year issues.
Assuming the backups are around 6 pages long, that means 3-4 fewer issues of American Vampire over the next year
sazabirules
Unconfirmed Member
Assuming the backups are around 6 pages long, that means 3-4 fewer issues of American Vampire over the next year
Aren't he and Synder planning to work ahead on that while they're on hiatus?
Affeinvasion
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I just got the X-Statix omnibus in the mail. It's so gorgeous in every way imaginable (except for the random Brotherhood #9 issue that doesn't make a damn lick of sense and is ugly).
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