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[German Shocks]

True if huge

Huge if true

 

[ChiefDada]

Alex from DF might kill himself.

Spoiler

But seriously, hope he gets well soon. I miss my favorite pinata.

 

[CloudShiner]

put batoglia and leadbutter on suicide watch

Worth it just to wipe the smugness off Richard 'teeth' Leadbetter's pudgy face.

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

Most games that have been cpu bound this gen have been unreal engine 5 and those have been technical trainwrecks in other areas as well.
Nowhere in sight here, and rockstar has all the resources they need.
It'll be 60 and locked at that. Slight visual downgrade from the last trailer.

 

[Sanepar]

1440p 20 fps and 1080p 30 fps

 

[ToneyJ]

I have a hard time believing 60fps will be doable on base PS5, but if they pull it off I'll buy. Otherwise waiting til PS6 to play this.

 

[mckmas8808]

You gotta love it.

 

[LordCBH]

40fps MODE PLEASE ROCKSTAR!

 

[bitbydeath]

Maybe their engine doesn't use RT, that would be a performance saver.

 

[viveks86]

Maybe their engine doesn't use RT, that would be a performance saver.

lol. Have you seen the trailers?

 

[Boss Mog]

I'm still hopeful for 60fps on the Pro in Performance mode.

 

[bitbydeath]

lol. Have you seen the trailers?

Yeah.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

1440p 20 fps and 1080p 30 fps

0fps for PC

 

[viveks86]

Yeah.

Then you should know it has RT. Lots of it

 

[Imtjnotu]

Pssr2 about to put in that fucking work

 

[pacman4000]

I'm still hopeful for 60fps on the Pro in Performance mode.

People still don't get it? If the Pro can run the game at 60 fps then the Base can do it as well.

 

[bitbydeath]

Then you should know it has RT. Lots of it

Or does it?

You know their last game, RDR2 doesn't have any RT right?

 

[pacman4000]

Media Markt Poland...ok.

Why would they know? Pre-order Information? If yes, we will all know very soon.m

 

[salva]

Quality: 900p 20fps
Performance: 540p 30fps

Regardless, I can't wait!

 

[adamsapple]

Or does it?

You know their last game, RDR2 doesn't have any RT right?

RDR2 released on consoles that didn't do any ray tracing at all.

DF have mentioned multiple times that the available trailers show ray traced reflections.

 

[FoxMcChief]

A performance mode on base consoles?

Yup, Switch 2 version coming down the road confirmed. I can wait.

 

[CLW]

1080 60
1440 30

 

[pacman4000]

Or does it?

Yes it does.

You know their last game, RDR2 doesn't have any RT right

Of course it doesn't but GTA5 Enhanced on PC do.

The question is if they have implemented a RT Off variant.

 

[Boss Mog]

People still don't get it? If the Pro can run the game at 60 fps then the Base can do it as well.

And so can the PS4... at 120p

 

[pacman4000]

A performance mode on base consoles?

Again. If the Pro can do 60 fps, the Base can do it as well.

GPU-load (i.e. the difference between Base and Pro) was never the problem. Are people unaware of the fact that GTA6 lauches on Series S?

And so can the PS4... at 120p

No it can't (even if we ignore mass storage speed). Not if, as many assume, the game is CPU heavy (and it lacks the option to scale down on CPU load).

 

[Ironman_Bad]

Or does it?

You know their last game, RDR2 doesn't have any RT right?

Gta 5 has ray tracing on ps5 and series x and runs 4k60

 

[viveks86]

Or does it?

You know their last game, RDR2 doesn't have any RT right?

Yes. But GTA 6 does and so does GTA 5. Doesn't matter what RDR2 did or didn't do. The trailers have selective RT reflections, and RTGI throughout, recorded on base PS5. DF did a decent analysis of it. Not entirely accurate (especially the part inside the car), but several good examples in there.

The question is if they have implemented a RT Off variant.

Possible that they turned it off for performance mode on base console, but I think it's unlikely. Pretty much every engine is getting to the point of pulling off 60 fps with RT on base consoles. Even UE5 is doing it now. It wouldn't be surprising at all that R* pulled it off too.

May be they turn it off for Series S alone.

 

[onQ123]

Then you should know it has RT. Lots of it

Rockstar has the budget to fake RT if they wanted to lol

 

[LordCBH]

A performance mode on base consoles?

Yup, Switch 2 version coming down the road confirmed. I can wait.

My bum ass will triple dip goddammit….

 

[kazuyamishima]

GPU-load (i.e. the difference between Base and Pro) was never the problem. Are people unaware of the fact that GTA6 lauches on Series S?

The problem with the Series S is the GPU and RAM not the CPU which is significantly better than the one in the Switch 2.

 

[viveks86]

Rockstar has the budget to fake RT if they wanted to lol

Some of it can simply not be faked with realtime rendering. If people could fake it all, they would have done so a long time ago. Not just planar reflections on carefully staged vertical mirrors

 

[poppabk]

I have a hard time believing 60fps will be doable on base PS5, but if they pull it off I'll buy. Otherwise waiting til PS6 to play this.

Doesn't base PS5 have the same CPU as Pro?
Graphics wise no one doubts that you could have some version of the game that can run at 60FPS. What people are having a hard time imagining is that it won't be CPU bound with all the simulation, physics etc going on.

 

[onQ123]

Some of it can simply not be faked with realtime rendering. If people could fake it all, they would have done so a long time ago. Not just planar reflections on carefully staged vertical mirrors

You don't think RT can be faked? Lol

 

[chromatic9]

I remember when GTA 5 came out on PC there were a couple of areas in the game that tanked the frame rate with background stuff going on that seemed unnecessary. Maybe they can come up solutions to have lighter hub areas and such.

 

[Represent.]

Lmao at the lame ass framerate warriors who will play this at 480p, just because its 60fps

Good riddance

 

[viveks86]

You don't think RT can be faked? Lol

lol indeed. If you can't tell the difference between non RT and RT, this is an impossible conversation to have. There is no such thing as Fake RT. You either ray trace, or you don't. Cubemaps are not RT. Planar reflections are not RT. SSR is not RT. SSGI or SVOGI is not RT.

And all of them have straightforward ways to tell by analyzing footage and understanding how they work and what their limitations are. You can fake anything in pre-rendered footage. You can fake it in bullshots or AI generated video. But you can't fake it without severe compromises in realtime 3D rendering in a playable game. You expect gta 6 to be a playable game right? Good luck faking it. It will be obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of RT within seconds.

 

[March Climber]

You guys do realise this isn't good for the game right?

At most, I expect an unlocked FPS option like Crimson Desert, where only sparsely populated areas reach 60FPS.

We don't know anything yet.

You are basing one AAAA game's performance on another AAA game's performance using an entirely different engine and set of engineers.

 

[German Shocks]

My bum ass will triple dip goddammit….

 

[adamsapple]

Rockstar has the budget to fake RT if they wanted to lol

To what end, tho?

 

[bitbydeath]

Some of it can simply not be faked with realtime rendering. If people could fake it all, they would have done so a long time ago. Not just planar reflections on carefully staged vertical mirrors

They did?
And in some cases it was done better. (Infamous SS)

 

[Boss Mog]

No it can't (even if we ignore mass storage speed). Not if, as many assume, the game is CPU heavy (and it lacks the option to scale down on CPU load).

I thought it was obvious that I wasn't being literal. I was implying that 60fps on base PS5 would have to come with a very heavy hit to resolution.

 

[onQ123]

lol indeed. If you can't tell the difference between non RT and RT, this is an impossible conversation to have. There is no such thing as Fake RT. You either ray trace, or you don't. Cubemaps are not RT. Planar reflections are not RT. SSR is not RT. SSGI or SVOGI is not RT.

And all of them have straightforward ways to tell by analyzing footage and understanding how they work and what their limitations are. You can fake anything in pre-rendered footage. You can fake it in bullshots or AI generated video. But you can't fake it without severe compromises in realtime 3D rendering in a playable game. You expect gta 6 to be a playable game right? Good luck faking it. It will be obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of RT within seconds.

I mean faking the look with precalculated lighting

 

[SmokSmog]

20FPS Quality Mode
30FPS Performance Mode

 

[Gusy]

Yes, master yoda!

Huge if true

Joking.. I was. Didn't work as expected though

 

[yogaflame]

60fps/4k and 30/4k with RT for base ps5. For Ps5 pro it might have a standard 4k/60 fps with RT and a balance mode of 40fps/4k with RT.

 

[Three]

Ok but why does the retailer call it "next gen consoles" still?

 

[Gaiff]

You don't think RT can be faked? Lol

It can't. What a moronic statement.

 

[yamaci17]

all i hope is that we get a 30 fps rt gi mode on base ps5
rest, i couldn't care less

 

[Seomel]

You'll get 900p60 and you'll like it.

Gonna be playing at 4k(upscaled) 60 on Pro while you cope here on 19th Nov

 

[Gaiff]

Or does it?

You know their last game, RDR2 doesn't have any RT right?

You know RDR2 was a console release that predates RT right? Even on PC, it came out something like 2 months after the first RTX GPUs.

GTA V has been updated with RT.