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[Ruz Leon]

I'll just drop this here

 

[LastBattle]

No clue man, and I can't take anyone serious that can say that bottom character looks anything like the actual model.. It's not even close.

I thought the character model looked fine but had absolutely no idea it was the actress from True Blood (always found her super hot). Even looking at side by side and can't see the resemblance.

 

[Topher]

I'll just drop this here

Something about the eyes and lips are off. Her lips look thinner. Eyes more droopy?

 

[captainnapalm]

I think in the case of this new God of War it's definitely a lack of make-up - they seem to have done a pretty good job of modeling her, but it's the same as Intergalactic, you take away all makeup and beautification women usually use and it doesn't look good. Her skin and hair looks ratty. So I do think wokism plays a role because they probably feel it would be sexist or something to doll them up a bit when it's just normal lol.

For me, the craziest new one is Jean Grey - she is hideous, and again like with Mary Jane - that character has always been attractive. Like wtf is this.

 

[Signalis]

I just hope they dont make them ugly, lesbian and butch.

 

[JMZ555]

To be honest she is dead, that's a fairly decent excuse

I'm not a fan of using real actors faces. Always ends up looking slightly weird and off.

 

[PeteBull]

Not even make up can fix this thing

U got no idea how much make up helps uggos, bro, the uglier she is the more make up covers, not gonna say sky is the limit but professional make up (i include extensions and w/e else they do to themselfs) can make 3/10(so well below avg) look like 7-8/10 depending if she is ur type(1 in 1k to 10k beauty lvl), especially when woman is older too:


Why u think so many women nowadays think of themselfs as 10/10 in looks? Coz they dont judge their real beauty, but only after makeup and even filters are aplied

The younger and prettier the gall is the less make up she needs to look like a baddie, some can be genuine 8/10 fresh out of the shower but obviously thats like encountering legendary pokemon, normal mortals like us usually dont even get their phone number nowadays(or insta for that matter), at worst we are invisible or best case scenario we are like annoying mosquitos to them(those women get dmed/flown out by A-list celebs, professional atheletes, bilionares etc) =D

 

[Topher]

To be honest she is dead, that's a fairly decent excuse

I'm not a fan of using real actors faces. Always ends up looking slightly weird and off.

They are probably using her because of the upcoming TV series.

 

[DavidGzz]

I'll just drop this here

Boom.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Weird actually. Afterlife will actually lead to perfection and will make everyone look beautiful and good looking and very fit, beautful body, as in perfection.

Exactly this. This is not her body, not her skin as that have been destroyed by Kratos. Her skin should be perfect without all those imperfections (like her moles) and she should be 20 years old. And that actress was actually quite good looking at that age.

 

[cash_longfellow]

This is what happens when the candidate hired for the job, is not the most qualified. In other words, when you hire based on anything other than skill and/or experience, you get a sub par product.

 

[yogaflame]

Exactly this. This is not her body, not her skin as that have been destroyed by Kratos. Her skin should be perfect without all those imperfections (like her moles) and she should be 20 years old. And that actress was actually quite good looking at that age.

True. In afterlife, along with more strength, she must become younger and beautiful, perfect in everything.

 

[Signalis]

U got no idea how much make up helps uggos, bro, the uglier she is the more make up covers, not gonna say sky is the limit but professional make up (i include extensions and w/e else they do to themselfs) can make 3/10(so well below avg) look like 7-8/10 depending if she is ur type(1 in 1k to 10k beauty lvl), especially when woman is older too:


Why u think so many women nowadays think of themselfs as 10/10 in looks? Coz they dont judge their real beauty, but only after makeup and even filters are aplied

The younger and prettier the gall is the less make up she needs to look like a baddie, some can be genuine 8/10 fresh out of the shower but obviously thats like encountering legendary pokemon, normal mortals like us usually dont even get their phone number nowadays(or insta for that matter), at worst we are invisible or best case scenario we are like annoying mosquitos to them(those women get dmed/flown out by A-list celebs, professional atheletes, bilionares etc) =D

It's also because modern women are made to believe that they are prettier than they actually are. While I also do believe that it's good if people have a good self esteem or think well of themselves. But most modern women are
absolutely delusional.

 

[funking giblet]

Pixels

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

This thread is embarrassing.

The character is slightly older, because she's the mother of an adolescent child. She's not wearing make-up and is gonna look like shit after she just fucking died.

C'mon Gaff!.... You're just being dense now.

 

[consoul]

People in this thread genuinely believe Sony Santa Monica 3D scanned a real woman's face and then deliberately altered it to give it a more masculine bone structure, stronger jawline and made her moles bigger.

They actually think that happened.

 

[yogaflame]

This thread is embarrassing.

The character is slightly older, because she's the mother of an adolescent child. She's not wearing make-up and is gonna look like shit after she just fucking died.

C'mon Gaff!.... You're just being dense now.

But this is afterlife. I thought that in afterlife everyone will look more beautiful and younger not just stronger.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

But this is afterlife. I thought that in afterlife everyone will look more beautiful and younger not just stronger.

This is the GOW universe. When Kratos died and went to Hades in previous games he wasn't more beautiful and younger. He looked just as fucked up as he did the moment of his death.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Yeah she just woke up from her death and first thing she did was to take out her makeup and doll up for the op, very realistic

Again with this take, the game showed her spirit floating to the afterlife, not her physical body. The whole "well she died or was a dead body" angle to me falls completely flat. They could have made her look 10 yeas younger than her dead body and narratively it wouldve held up. This was a deliberate choice.

 

[Doctor Hades]

No make-up

Maybe it's because she older or something
I thought the hair looks good though....

I honestly think that the problem might be that the engine just isn't good enough to capture the finer details of her likeness properly without using ray-traced lighting and so on. This can result in the characters looking odd or ugly in gameplay but okay in cutscenes, where the lighting and whatnot can be controlled and tweaked. For example, Patrick Gibson's likeness is well captured in 007 First Light in all the cutscenes but his character model can look odd in actual gameplay where the model and lighting are simplified. The eyes especially can look strange and gives the model an uncanny valley appearance. We are not quite at the point yet where higher quality cinematic models can be used in gameplay; there's always a trade-off for performance reasons.

This is maybe why I prefer games that don't push for photorealism but instead have stylised designs such as many eastern developed games., e.g. Capcom games and most Japanese RPGs including Final Fantasy. Look at how gorgeous Aerith looks in Final Fantasy VII Remake? When I am spending a lot of time playing as a character from third-person in a game the last thing I want distracting me are ugly character designs and this applies to both male and female characters. Of course, beauty is subjective but I personally find Faye's character design in God of War: Laufey to be aesthetically displeasing and this may actually put me off buying the game.

 

[Bojji]

Don't forget how Western devs can do one for one scans with male characters and their models, but it somehow all falls apart when it comes to female characters. It's tiresome enough that certain devs are still pulling this shit, but the insults aimed at anyone who dares to notice have also become routine and tedious. You can add 'don't you have anything better to do' and 'just go play some games' to that list too.

Looking at the pics you posted, it's amazing what can be accomplished with female characters when the devs don't have a shitty attitude towards women. 'Cause that's what it's about, imo. The need to make female characters less attractive than their models and remove feminine traits (physical and otherwise) reveals a pretty poor outlook on women in general. I'm glad when it gets called out and examined because awareness is a good antidote for that type of ignorance.

In 2008 Konami was able to replicate pretty models:



In 2026 we don't have the technology to do that...

 

[violence]

I'll just drop this here

Seems like they used her modern day appearance. She was dead five minutes ago so they want a more zombie look.

 

[Interfectum]

I'll just drop this here

/thread

Hey Gonzo... this is how you do a comparison. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

Go ahead and do your "empathy" tag.

 

[Bojji]

All the examples posted on page 3 of Resident Evil characters have makeup on(Even Leon's fabulous ass) in a zombocalypes, for some reason. How long was Ashley in that ganado church? She was looking fresh af. Makeup, nails, pristine stockings, etc. Sony studios go for more realism. I also think Santa Monica just sucks at faces. Look at Atreus' ugly little ass(if he was a girl the outrage would be crazy) and Baldur's mom. I forget her name but damn her face looks weird af. I think Naughty Dog does realistic faces much better. Dina and Elly look great, for example.


This will continue to happen for as long as we see streamer chats pogging out to things like Lara's ass in the TR trailer. Even if there are some like Gonzito who is saying he doesn't care if he can fap to them or not, there is a huge percentage that are outraged for that exact reason. "If it's not a man, she better be hot."-This mentality is exactly why they will continue to fight the "chuds".

Makes for endless threads for the forseeable future. *popcorn gif*

You can try to replicate realism in Last of Us not in a fucking God of War with magic and mythical beasts.

 

[Mozza]

Because Sony PS headquarters is located in california which we all know is infested with sickmind leftist and antifa.

Is California woke?... news to me lol...

 

[Gonzito]

/thread

Hey Gonzo... this is how you do a comparison. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

Go ahead and do your "empathy" tag.

 

[Pedro Motta]

Damn that photo of the actress is airbrushed to oblivion.

 

[Bojji]

They will obviously try to find the worst pictures of Deborah to match their world view.

 

[Ruz Leon]

In 2008 Konami was able to replicate pretty models:



In 2026 we don't have the technology to do that...

It's one thing to transfer a model's image, and another to transfer a character's face to different settings. A good example of this is the girls from DMC5; they transferred precisely the models' images.

 

[Interfectum]

 

[Bojji]

It's one thing to transfer a model's image, and another to transfer a character's face to different settings. A good example of this is the girls from DMC5; they transferred precisely the models' images.

Technology to do that exists for years, it's not an excuse.

They have perfect scans of models and then do everything in their power to make them look worse (outlaws is one of the biggest offenders).

 

[Interfectum]

They will obviously try to find the worst pictures of Deborah to match their world view.

You mean a real picture of the actress vs the one where they even photoshopped out her mole?

 

[BloodFree]

There's clearly an agenda, you'd have to be blind to deny it, but people also need to understand if you're going to do comparisons to a real life photo/person the game images will always look worse, even if the face model/asset matches 100%. A realtime game screenshot is simply inferior technically to a cg movie still or a real life photo. Video game lighting and tech in general still has a long way to go before you can do that.

 

[GymWolf]

Even if the real life actress is 10 years older and look more like the actual model now (i doubt it with makeup on, she is still young enough), why would you go out of your way to make a larger than life character mid looking? the actress at its best is not shy of a 10\10 if your dick still work properly

I guess that being as strong as 2 god of wars can't be also associated with extreme beauty nowadays.

Not a huge problem personally, but the intents are clear as day.

Devs never have problems into make male protagonist better looking than their models.

 

[MiguelItUp]

This is the GOW universe. When Kratos died and went to Hades in previous games he wasn't more beautiful and younger. He looked just as fucked up as he did the moment of his death.

Exactly, there's no "we have to portray how people look in the afterlife" rule, or something, lmao. It's up to the creators to portray it how they want.

Damn that photo of the actress is airbrushed to oblivion.

No shit. Not only is that a younger picture of her, it's also filtered to hell. This is her from the Daredevil: Born Again (much more recent) red carpet event with a ton of makeup...

This image is from an episode 14 years ago, which was likely recorded the year before, so potentially 15, lmao.

You mean a real picture of the actress vs the one where they even photoshopped out her mole?

And is significantly younger.

 

[Cakeboxer]

In the final game that stupid cube will turn around and look like this:

 

[violence]

They will obviously try to find the worst pictures of Deborah to match their world view.

If I were told to put a magical Fabio in a video game aimed at women, I will try to knock his looks down a peg because he's my competition at the end of the day.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Your post seemed a little over the top, even for such a important topic like this. Which to be honest is silly in the first instance.

True. I hope people don't take everything I say so seriously.

99% of the time I'm calm and act like a character.

 

[xanaum]

Some idiot at Western Sony bought into that bullshit idea pushed by militant movements funded by left-wing groups that 'respecting women' means making them as ugly as possible because that's 'real women.'

But I have hope this shit won't stay like this for much longer.

 

[DeepEnigma]

In the final game that stupid cube will turn around and look like this:

He's 100% going to be "non-binary" or "gender fluid."

Bet.

 

[Unfortunatecookie]

Weird actually. Afterlife will actually lead to perfection and will make everyone look younger, beautiful and good looking and very fit, beautful body, as in perfection.

Tell us more about the afterlife, was Jesus a bro or was he kinda simpy?

 

[Zacfoldor]

This forum becomes more ridiculous every day..

Look, they wanted to change gaming and kick us out. They just weren't ready for the pushback. For many, and I know this to be true, for many...it's not about Faye.

It's about sending a message. For some this is about the Lee Alexander article all those years ago. Gamers are over and gamers are dead.

These obtuse shitslingers, these wailing hyper-consumers, these childish internet-arguers -- they are not my audience. They don't have to be yours. There is no 'side' to be on, there is no 'debate' to be had. There is what's past and there is what's now. There is the role you choose to play in what's ahead.

We won. That's right. We did. We fucking won. And now we no longer have to accept terms. Make the women hot or languish in obscurity.

 

[Cakeboxer]

He's 100% going to be "non-binary" or "gender fluid."

Bet.

You mean it/its!

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

The current collection of Playstation Princesses:

When Deborah Wilson looks EXACTLY the same in all her games vs her real life likeness, you can't tell me that the disgusting slop above isn't intentional.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Something about the eyes and lips are off. Her lips look thinner. Eyes more droopy?

Nose is more swollen too. Eyes are bugged out a bit.

Compared to the actual actress. Developer plastic surgeon tweaks.

I think in the case of this new God of War it's definitely a lack of make-up - they seem to have done a pretty good job of modeling her, but it's the same as Intergalactic, you take away all makeup and beautification women usually use and it doesn't look good. Her skin and hair looks ratty. So I do think wokism plays a role because they probably feel it would be sexist or something to doll them up a bit when it's just normal lol.

For me, the craziest new one is Jean Grey - she is hideous, and again like with Mary Jane - that character has always been attractive. Like wtf is this.

That's a bloke in a wig.

 

[Zacfoldor]

If we want a bimbo we get a bimbo. See Tomb Raider.

If American devs won't deliver, we'll go to SK or China - see crimson desert or wukong or gatcha

We'll go to AI - see Tomb Raider or arc raiders or fortnite who has burnt peanut and nearly nude chicks in bikinis with big asses for sell as we speak.

We aren't muddled in that woke ideology any longer. We do not have to buy it. Make the women pretty. They are making the women ugly for the developers not the fans. Even female fans want something pretty to look at.

 

[hyperbertha]

Alright OP, you want an adult reply and not just mud slinging, here it is. I think a lot of it comes down to technology or better yet current technological constraints. Performance capture and laser scanning of people have come much further than lighting technology in games. I can bet you 1000 bucks that with path traced lighting and shadows and better subsurface scattering she would luck much closer to how you'd like her to look.

I think Asian devs get around this issue because they almost never try to portray realistic characters and instead they go for highly stylized looks which circumvent the shortcomings of current tech. Of course some western studios are better than others, CP2077 had fantastic looking characters, although if you look at the same character in the rasterized version next to the path traced version you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

Look how much of a difference lighting makes and how "flat" she looks in the rasterized pic. The same thing happened with Control, etc. This is also why Naughty Dog never goes for fully photorealistic characters and they're always subtly stylised.

In conclusion real life still has the best lighting and even if you laser scan a person it does not guarantee they'll look great in-game.

With each of these screenshots I get one step closer to turning on DLSS 5.

 

[hyperbertha]

For all the talk about how rasterization is the issue, death stranding never seems to have this problem. What black magic is Kojimbo doing to his models that they all look as good if not BETTER than real life.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

The model actually looks really good. Lighting isn't very flattering, but that's true in a lot of natural situations.

 

[Gonzito]

"Rendering women is very difficult in games"