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God of War: Laufey Announced

GOW already jumped the shark with Ragnarok. This is just continuation on the path they set.

I don't know what they should've done after GOW 2018, but this isn't it. Kratos maybe should've been put out to pasture, but that's not how franchises work. I agree with Jaffe that Kratos is a pulp character, and should've stayed like that. Of course doing the same thing can wear out over time, so you need to refresh the franchise somehow.

Given how GOW as a franchise is a male testosterone power fantasy to the core, they should've gone the DOOM route of reinventing the old formula. Instead, they emasculated and deconstructed Kratos, and now we have GOW with purple butterflies, cutesy pet monsters, fighting flowers, quippy gelatinous cubes and ribbon-swords. The main character is a girl boss that's removed of any male gaze element to make a point that this game isn't for the audience that loved the original GOW.

They've utterly changed what GOW used to be about. It's got the production values for sure, but I'm not sure who this is really for. I just can't see women looking at this and thinking, yeah, this is for me, this is what I wanted, to supplant Kratos with a fridged wife so she can girl boss her way through multiple pantheons better than Kratos ever could. The juxtaposition with all the female coded softer elements you see all over the trailer and the supposedly brutal GOW combat just doesn't make any sense.

You could've made a more serious darker tone valkyrie story if you really wanted a female lead, but no, we get this GOW connected universe for the modern audiences bs instead. I'm sure this will still sell purely on graphics and production values, and people will consoom it like any other disney/marvel slop just like they've done for the other girl boss Sony sp game that's come out in the past decade. And if you don't, you're a loser incel or whatever. Vote with your wallet if you don't want every franchise you loved turn into more of this.
 
RoadHazard said:
What is woke exactly? Are women automatically woke?
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It's not that, I love many games with women, and when we can create our own characters, I usually always make a woman (but I try to make it good looking, because that's part of the fun in a character creation).

Here you have two things, one typical of the woke pattern, is taking an existing franchise, and replacing the main male hero with a female character. That's something extremely common we've noticed over the past decade, even in cinema with Marvel and such. The results are most of the time terrible. Not because it's a woman, but because it wasn't done like that for the good reasons.

The second thing is that the character just looks... ugly. She's not good looking, she looks like a very mid forgettable NPC, not a memorable, beautiful character design.

These two things, especially if combined together, are ALWAYS an indicator of how a project was directed. Meaning DEI rules inside the studio itself, in the thought process behind the game, meaning no dialogues must offend anyone, everything has to be very safe, the writing will be very flat, most of the designs will be very generic, etc etc etc...

It might seems like a stretch to you if it's not something you noticed before, but there's clearly a pattern that's very easily reconizable.

It's not just that it's a woman, it's more, it's a context and everything it implies. No one is saying Tomb Raider Legacy of Atlantis looks woke, actually everyone I saw reacting to the trailer was excited about it. There are tons of games featuring women main characters, that aren't considered woke.
 
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Larxia said:
taking an existing franchise, and replacing the main male hero with a female character.
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No one is replacing Kratos lmao. You guys keep repeating this insane idiotic take nonstop when in fact it's not true. Spinoffs have been a thing in gaming for ages. Kratos will return.

EDIT: nvm, I guess he is getting replaced. Oh well..
 
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The Cockatrice said:
No one is replacing Kratos lmao. You guys keep repeating this insane idiotic take nonstop when in fact it's not true. Spinoffs have been a thing in gaming for ages. Kratos will return.
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Kratos was already replaced by a soft soy copy of the original one, there is no going back to the good GoW games.
 
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Lokaum D+ said:
Kratos was already replaced by a soft soy copy of the original one, there is no going back to the good GoW games.
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The character matured instead of being a rage roid lunatic you mean?

Vine Ok GIF
 
The Cockatrice said:
No one is replacing Kratos lmao. You guys keep repeating this insane idiotic take nonstop when in fact it's not true. Spinoffs have been a thing in gaming for ages. Kratos will return.
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I'm not saying he will never return, but for this specific game, this "God Of War" game, a franchise that always featured Kratos as its main playable character, it's a fact that the main character was replaced / changed to another one. Don't know how else you can describe it.
It could have been a good temporary replacement, except it doesn't look like a good one here, that's all.
 
Larxia said:
I'm not saying he will never return, but for this specific game, this "God Of War" game, a franchise that always featured Kratos as its main playable character, it's a fact that the main character was replaced / changed to another one. Don't know how else you can describe it.
It could have been a good temporary replacement, except it doesn't look like a good one here, that's all.
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Its a spin off and they are putting god of war as big as possible because Sony is dead out of ideas and what the same 3 games with a new coat of paint to get them money. It's not wokism, it's capitalism mixed with dead creativity.
 
BossLackey said:
Honestly, you're right. Literally the first time I had a dissenting opinion on the purple place, I got banned. And I KNOW it's only gotten worse. It's pathetic.

Glad we can have civil disagreements here without fear of getting banned for having the wrong opinion.
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My guess is that this may be setting the story up for another couple of games, or even a trilogy (set in the Egyptian era?), where Kratos somehow visits her world or she somehow finds her way back to Kratos' world. I mean, they'll probably find each other again.
 
Larxia said:
Here you have two things, one typical of the woke pattern, is taking an existing franchise, and replacing the main male hero with a female character. That's something extremely common we've noticed over the past decade, even in cinema with Marvel and such.
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Absolutely correct.

It is much easier to take an established non-woke franchise and then plant a woke flag on top of it, than to build a woke franchise from scratch.

itxaka said:
It's not wokism, it's capitalism mixed with dead creativity.
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The obvious outcome of that would be a Kratos game.
 
General Lee said:
GOW already jumped the shark with Ragnarok. This is just continuation on the path they set.

I don't know what they should've done after GOW 2018, but this isn't it. Kratos maybe should've been put out to pasture, but that's not how franchises work. I agree with Jaffe that Kratos is a pulp character, and should've stayed like that. Of course doing the same thing can wear out over time, so you need to refresh the franchise somehow.

Given how GOW as a franchise is a male testosterone power fantasy to the core, they should've gone the DOOM route of reinventing the old formula. Instead, they emasculated and deconstructed Kratos, and now we have GOW with purple butterflies, cutesy pet monsters, fighting flowers, quippy gelatinous cubes and ribbon-swords. The main character is a girl boss that's removed of any male gaze element to make a point that this game isn't for the audience that loved the original GOW.

They've utterly changed what GOW used to be about. It's got the production values for sure, but I'm not sure who this is really for. I just can't see women looking at this and thinking, yeah, this is for me, this is what I wanted, to supplant Kratos with a fridged wife so she can girl boss her way through multiple pantheons better than Kratos ever could. The juxtaposition with all the female coded softer elements you see all over the trailer and the supposedly brutal GOW combat just doesn't make any sense.

You could've made a more serious darker tone valkyrie story if you really wanted a female lead, but no, we get this GOW connected universe for the modern audiences bs instead. I'm sure this will still sell purely on graphics and production values, and people will consoom it like any other disney/marvel slop just like they've done for the other girl boss Sony sp game that's come out in the past decade. And if you don't, you're a loser incel or whatever. Vote with your wallet if you don't want every franchise you loved turn into more of this.
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Kratos, as a character, was run into the ground before GOW 2018. People forget that. His storyline seems complete after Ragnarok. If it was up to me, I would retire Kratos and start doing spin offs in the GOW universe. Which this game is attempting to do

I would be perfectly fine with a Doom style silent character, but gamers don't want that. The recent Doom game sold like shit.

Let's be honest, pretty much any female character, that isn't eye candy with little dialogue, you would have a massive problem playing as and would consider a "girl boss". Feye isn't some new character. Her characters history was well defined in 2018

I don't disagree that the Marvel comedic quips can be cringe, but the story unveiled here seems pretty solid. Better than the vast majority of AAA video games. Sometimes I wish Sony simplified their stories and dialogue. I can understand that criticism, but again, that is not what sells their games. God of War has never been a bigger franchise

Edit-Christ, your name is "General Lee". I prefer Generals that don't lose the war
 
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midnightAI said:
She's wearing normal Norse/Viking attire isn't she? (And don't forget that's just the clothes she was buried in, that's the base garments below the (upgradeable) armour you collect
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Right, I just don't like the styling - it feels very Horizon Zero Dawn to me. I would've preferred something more dark and edgy, akin to Morrigan from Dragon Age. This just feels way too tame, very "white person with dreadlocks playing drums at a local cultural festival."

The plates and lighter elements actually remind me of the armor from El Shaddai. But still, it lacks creativity. Maybe I'm just picky - and no, I don't need this game to be overly sexy or erotic. But something more daring or edgy would've been cool. This just feels tame, safe, SFW. Given the game's world and context, it just doesn't make much sense to me.

Edit: combat animations and general presentation of the game's graphics and production value look top tier to me though.
 
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The Cockatrice said:
The character matured instead of being a rage roid lunatic you mean?

Vine Ok GIF
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"Matured" lmao

Dude got tortured by the furies, got his brother and mom killed by the gods, got tricked into killing his daughter and wife, was put into servitute for 10 years with promisses of forgiveness, was killed by his Father and denied staying with his daugther when he entered Elysium ( Heaven ).


Yeah, dude was just a roid rage lunatic for sure.

Cracking Up Lol GIF by MOODMAN
 
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The Cockatrice said:
The character matured instead of being a rage roid lunatic you mean?

Vine Ok GIF
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I can't stand this "matured" narrative.

In 2018 he became more reflective and a guardian, older and more brooding, but he is still a brute like the older games.

Ragnarok is the problem, that fucking game had trauma archs and emotional baggage built into every inch, it became a parody.

Fucking alcoholic Thor and Atreus consoling him was the worst this series has ever been.
 
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Three said:
Whatever you say dude. That's not what I'm referring to but you're obviously never going to agree to what I'm saying just based on the game you like.
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I find it wrong in every case. It's bad gaming design. But there's an aggravation when the setting is an epic fantasy and characters speak like in present Los Angeles. I want the tone, the language and the speech to match what I am seeing on screen. This is very basic stuff that every writer should acknowledge.

If you have played Silksong, you will have noticed the fantasy speech they use. Or Expedition33. Their speech is slightly different from ours. That's how you do it properly. This is millenial trash.

Talentless creators also don't understand the basic "show, don't tell" thats why they use dumb companions nstead of visual cues and environmental storytelling to guide players. This reveal speaks of low IQ people directing this.
 
Angry_Megalodon said:
I find it wrong in every case. It's bad gaming design. But there's an aggravation when the setting is an epic fantasy and characters speak like in present Los Angeles. I want the tone, the language and the speech to match what I am seeing on screen. This is very basic stuff that every writer should acknowledge.

If you have played Silksong, you will have noticed the fantasy speech they use. Or Expedition33. Their speech is slightly different from ours. That's how you do it properly. This is millenial trash.

Talentless creators also don't understand the basic "show, don't tell" thats why they use dumb companions nstead of visual cues and environmental storytelling to guide players. This reveal speaks of low IQ people directing this.
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The plebs seem to eat it up tho
 
Lokaum D+ said:
"Matured" lmao

Dude got tortured by the furies, got his brother and mom killed by the gods, got tricked into killing his daughter and wife, was put into servitute for 10 years with promisses of forgiveness, was killed by his Father and denied staying with his daugther when he entered Elysium ( Heaven ).


Yeah, dude was just a roid rage lunatic for sure.

Cracking Up Lol GIF by MOODMAN
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Yes, he was. I never said it wasnt justified, but people mature over time. He's not going to start killing every single God from every single Universe just because his og family got fucked. The "soy" is the dumbest shit that gaf members keeps regurgitating every single time there's mention of him. This alongside the "woke" spams, this place truly has become a shithole of victimized far rightists, you know the same way the other place is.

Gaiff said:
It's not a spin-off. It's a mainline game.
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Source? Werent they making a Kratos game as well aside from the remakes or did I dream that?
 
The Cockatrice said:
Source? Werent they making a Kratos game as well aside from the remakes or did I dream that?
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And no, the rumor was Barlog was working on another game unrelated to GOW. There's no other GOW currently in development. This is the next major one and not merely a side story.
 
Yeah it all feels to safe. What they should of done is trick Kratos into killing his son. Then Kratos goes on a rampage again oldschool.
 
The game looks great IMO, the quality of the model looks great and is a HUGE improvement over her ragnarok model. I was ready to hate this before I saw it but the gameplay looks fast and fun, I'm not thrilled about the cube etc but I like the actor who's voicing it so hopefully it will grow on me. Regardless it looks like fun and the people who are upset that a female who's out there fighting doesn't look centerfold perfect all the time crack me up. You know how ugly most male characters in games are? lol.
 
MMaRsu said:
The plebs seem to eat it up tho
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Sure, the target audience of this is the normies whose favorite movies are some Marvel slop, Fast and Furious or the Emoji movie.

However, that's not enough of an audience to make it profitable. The sales drop from previous games is going to be huge once the clips and memes after launch start going around. Word of mouth won't do this any favor, just like the recent Saros.

The cycle of media cope, SSM stans insulting true GOW fans and the fake sales projections will be hilarious.
 
Graphics are great, the gameplay looks like an improvement and actually reminded me of God of War 2 (which Cory directed).

The mini-boss fight was awesome reminding me GoW18 first boss.

The story is OK. But the dialogs are forgettable and not interesting at all, for now. We'll see.

The world God's afterlife is a clever way to create a story from scratch. Like a world where butterflies are purple, with flowers everywhere with plenty of purple everywhere...
 
JerryinSoCal said:
You know how ugly most male characters in games are? lol.
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I actually don't. Most are very attractive. Geralt, Nathan Drake, Leon, Jin Sakai, Dante, Arthur Morgan, Joel, Cloud, Clive…

Even Kratos in the newer game isn't a pretty boy, but most woman would consider him to have many attractive traits and I wouldn't call him unattractive either. Male characters for the most part are physically way above average.
 
Gaiff said:


And no, the rumor was Barlog was working on another game unrelated to GOW. There's no other GOW currently in development. This is the next major one and not merely a side story.
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Ah ok, in that case, I stand corrected. I guess he was replaced lmao. Still, that doesnt change my impressions of the gameplay they've shown. Thanks for the clarifications.
 
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