INT8 is less precise, but faster than FP. And I don't know if PS5pro can do RR or FG, but I would imagine that INT can easily do ray reconstruction, as it doesn't require too much precision; it's basically pattern extrapolation. As for stuff like FG tho, I think you would need way more precision for that than INT allows.
You had to buy pc at some point which to get those parts you know and years old pcs will carry you only so far when your psu starts to get too small for newer gpu, when your motherboard doesnt support ddr5 and newer gen cpus etc.
I repeat, the only one with a mental pathologie here is you. You're pathetically predictable.
A simple post pointing out a truth and a fact: "PS5 Pro and XSX have improved compared to the demo," and you wasted no time activating your desperate, fanatical fanboy mode.
You speak as if it were a crime for someone to have a positive opinion of the hardware they own (unless it's a PS, of course) and as if people had to ask permission here from the four thin-skinned PS fanboys to do so... It's absolutely ridiculous that we've reached this point. You're the only one making a fool of yourself and behaving exactly the way you criticize.
You're being a real pain. Stop derailing the thread and move on. If you don't like reading opinions that don't align with your preferences, not even the simplest appreciation, (my advice) find another site or learn to accept. You're nobody here to point out what anyone else might say, and yet here you are in every DF thread acting like some kind of authority or censor, as if you were in a position to give lessons on anything
Again, MOVE ON and not stray from the topic!!!.
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It's evidence that they are pushing path tracing at the cost of implementing basic fallback techniques or a good quality denoiser. Plenty of console games that have already got it right without needing DLSS RR. Game can look straight up unfinished at times without PT, even if you ignore their low quality denoiser. It's likely going to get much worse next gen. Which is why I think people are heavily underestimating what the generational gap is going to look like in cross gen games. It's not that these games can't look good without PT. It's that devs will stop giving a fuck.
It's evidence that they are pushing path tracing at the cost of implementing basic fallback techniques or a good quality denoiser. Plenty of console games that have already got it right without needing DLSS RR. Game can look straight up unfinished at times without PT, even if you ignore their low quality denoiser. It's likely going to get much worse next gen. Which is why I think people are heavily underestimating what the generational gap is going to look like in cross gen games.
It's not like their PT implementation is even all that cutting edge. They are doing less than CDPR did years ago with an even greater performance penalty. Their GDC talk was quite enlightening on how cobbled together the whole thing is... Without Nvidia coming to the rescue on both RE Requiem and Pragmata towards the end of development, PT may not have even been in a shippable state.
At least they are getting solid games out at a good cadence, so can't hold it against them...
I agree. I'm just saying PT is where they are investing dev time going forward. So their sucky implementation for RT and raster are going to stay sucky. In fact, it will likely get worse during the cross gen period.PT is not compromising anything, their previous games have all the same issues Pragmata is having
Obviosly, but it was AMD that was blocking more advanced RT (and consoles).
Nvidia is FAAAAR from being a good guy here but they allowed the newest games to reach heights that were not available under AMD sponsorship. Why would they make more advanced RT, to run like crap on RDNA2? Would AMD be happy with that?
Edit: @analog_future Mr. Kennedy from RE9 vs. RE4 (that had zero nvidia involvement)
Where...
Their RT and raster implementations of SSAO and shadows just suck ass. PT is only way to see those games with good lighting quality.
PT is not compromising anything, their previous games have all the same issues Pragmata is having
Obviosly, but it was AMD that was blocking more advanced RT (and consoles).
Nvidia is FAAAAR from being a good guy here but they allowed the newest games to reach heights that were not available under AMD sponsorship. Why would they make more advanced RT, to run like crap on RDNA2? Would AMD be happy with that?
Edit: @analog_future Mr. Kennedy from RE9 vs. RE4 (that had zero nvidia involvement)
Where...
Their RT and raster implementations of SSAO and shadows just suck ass. PT is only way to see those games with good lighting quality.
Question is if we'll see ray reconstruction on PS5 Pro at all. If PS6 is running FP8, perhaps it's a waste of time to also do it on INT8 for the Pro.
There are plenty of native 1080p/60 titles on PS3. John from DF even did a whole video series on them. Granted, mostly smaller/indie titles. But, technically, the system was able to output 1080 just fine, it was (and still is) a tradeoff between visual fidelity/computational complexity and resolution/frame rate.
Funny how the nearest wing mirror looks transparent instead of reflective and the far-off car is floating. By now you'd think env artists would have better tools to automatically snap objects more closely.It's evidence that they are pushing path tracing at the cost of implementing basic fallback techniques or a good quality denoiser. Plenty of console games that have already got it right without needing DLSS RR. Game can look straight up unfinished at times without PT, even if you ignore their low quality denoiser. It's likely going to get much worse next gen. Which is why I think people are heavily underestimating what the generational gap is going to look like in cross gen games. It's not that these games can't look good without PT. It's that devs will stop giving a fuck.
It's not like their PT implementation is even all that cutting edge. They are doing less than CDPR did years ago with an even greater performance penalty. Their GDC talk was quite enlightening on how cobbled together the whole thing is... Without Nvidia coming to the rescue on both RE Requiem and Pragmata towards the end of development, PT may not have even been in a shippable state.
At least they are getting solid games out at a good cadence, so can't hold it against them...
Agree, but I don't think Capcom will have a 30 fps mode for these type of games. It will be similar to RE/Pragmata. One will be PT with an unlocked framerate hovering in the 40s and 60+ for RT.
Had noticed the floating car... but nice catch on the wing mirror. Lol. Likely a mistake in the material properties.
I cannot wait for that game, Returnal was a blast!!
UE5 scares me a bit, but we'll see.
Not worried about PSSR, just the usual UE5 crap like traversal stutter etc.
Nice! Im still on am4 platform as well but with at 5600. Wanted to add a 5800x3d but those things shot up in price lol. Im in no rush to upgrade especially with prices and still running a 3080. Ps5 can hold me over for now.
What the fuck am I looking at here?
LOL. That's called "asking a question to the air" and expecting an answer... and in fact, your reaction was an answer.
LOL x2
I guess it makes sense, right? One of the perks of RT/PT is how good it can look while saving on dev time. Take Doom Eternal, an engineer said how much faster getting the lighting done was thanks to the automation of RT. If they keep using old techniques to support older machines, then half the reason to use RT is gone since you're still wasting time and money baking. At one point, when old consoles are no longer relevant, there's no more sense in painstakingly doctoring lighting for them. Just do something that looks passable and release it. I'd be hopefully and say this will cut dev time significantly, but I'm not holding my breath for that.
Still doesn't make much sense, sorry. A neural network is a neural network, the rest is mostly standard - as can be seen on PC by the simplicity of DLL upgrades or plugin solutions like OptiScaler.
It matters for the h/w which it runs on, you can't run an FP8 based NN on INT8 h/w.
I think there will be efficiency gains all around. But more importantly, the meltdowns from those stubbornly refusing to upgrade to next gen "out of principle", because their 7 year old hardware is not being treated as a first class citizen, will be glorious.
I'm not attacking PS5 Pro at all, seems like a great port, but anyone singing the Pro's praises but then is slamming the Switch 2 version for being 540p DLSS'd to 1080p needs to STFU. Upscaling is fine with the right methods and it tends to look very good when done right."A native 864p looks bad on paper, but the new PSSR upscaling to 4K delivers a vastly improved turn-out over the standard consoles - the one exception being that the RT reflections are somewhat blurrier than base PS5 (likely down to that lower internal resolution). You get the top-end strand-based hair, and you get significantly improved performance with all those luxury features active."
Switch 2 version looks great. Just doesn't run great.
Damn, that looks bad. Maybe in motion you don't see all that aliasing but man. and this game only runs at 60fps. Pro should be around 7700xt performance and so far it's nowhere there.It was just the toggle working in that DF coverage it seems.
In the demo difference between PSSR1 and 2 is massive, one of the biggest ever
Hair details are completely smudged by PSSR1. I wonder what resolution demo had...
I get that but PSSR is running on INT8 originally written for FP8 I presume, therefore the same could be done with RR. However doubtful there's power left over for it in the Pro or if Sony thinks it's worth it since PS6 most likely will have it on FP8.
RE Engine seems to do that even in Requiem.
So it's the same issue as RE9? when DoF caused massive aliasing? I never use it in any game but watched video and it looked insanely bad.
