adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Let's assume it will have a disc add-on solution, if they're intending for people to be able to retain their existing library.
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Asha Sharma: Next Xbox Project Name: "Helix" - Will 'lead in performance and play your Xbox and PC games'
- Thread starter adamsapple
- Start date
Let's assume it will have a disc add-on solution, if they're intending for people to be able to retain their existing library.
ReasonBeing
Member
I'm ready for it. I can't imagine it will be a mass market device. I imagine it's sales will mirror something like the Xbox Ally X (at least the 1st party device, if you can even call it that)
Last edited:
The catch will be you need an active Gamepass subscription for monthly check in, to use it
Cyberpunkd
Banned
90% sure "play your Xbox game" will turn out to be "play Xbox games that were natively released on PC". So we are back to Xbox ROG Ally X situation.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The catch will be you need an active Gamepass subscription for monthly check in, to use it
Why would you need a monthly subscription to use a disc drive?
Tobimacoss
Member
Nah, this is different from the Xbox Ally which were using generic AMD Z series APUs.
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
news.xbox.com
All AMD chips going forward are Xbox co-engineered and have BC built in. 5 GPU dies, one powerful CPU SOC aka Magnus, that can be paired up with any of the RDNA5 GPU dies. To create the portfolio of devices including PCs, Laptops, Handhelds, Multiple Consoles, Cloud. AMD CEO Lisa Su confirmed full current levels of BC natively.
RPS37
Gold Member
I dunno.. a dude at work said he was waiting to buy a console cuz he heard the next Xbox would be a hybrid…anecdotal…
Radical_3d
Member
Is it? If it's the same price point than a similarly spec'd PC… it's already cheaper! Out of curiosity I've checked the prices to build a compact PC box and it's incredibly expensive not to go with the tower format. Not to mention pre-built PCs. This is both pre-built and compact. It being the same price than the sum of its components or sightly higher well…
Wouldn't any PC disc add-on already work? It doesn't need one.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Check die size on cpu + gpu.
GPU is similar to rtx5070 in size. CPU is like a ryzen 7 processor.
Add extra costs for node shrink etc.
Seems like it can be priced at 1200 even with profit margin etc.
Only question is, if die shrink can reach 5080 level of performance. Considering how much AMD is banking on RDNA 5, I think it should be capable of.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Radical_3d
Member
You're passing by this very lightly…
Tobimacoss
Member
vaibhavpisal
Member
Am forgetting exact amount, but its something like 20% on die cost. Likely will go from $300 to $360.
Tobimacoss
Member
Yep, people don't understand that it costs Nvidia only $420 roughly to build an rtx 5080 that they sell for $999. It only costs Apple $400 to build an iPhone they sell for $850.
Jesb
Member
If this is going to have a steam store I'm interested. I skipped out on this gen and have relied on GFN and would like to buy a console and cancel that GFN sub. If we're looking at 5080 level performance with a fully functional steam storefront than there's a good chance I consider getting this.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Consoles usually are build to be as low cost as possible. A $100 wiggle room will take away a lot of compromises.
Sure, it will cost customers much more than $100 extra. But no compromise console still should be pretty cost effective at launch.
Radical_3d
Member
This plus a newer process node doesn't scream 1.200 to me. But even at 1.500 or more it'd be better value than a pre-built or trying to make this compact.
Tobimacoss
Member
Plus it's multiple consoles.
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
news.xbox.com
A 24 CU console at $549, and a 48 CU console at $799 are also feasible in addition to the $1200 68 CU console. Or $600, $900, $1200. The dockable handheld would also act as an entry point console, maybe 12-16 CUs on the lower SKU.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Xbox is not shopping at newegg to build the magnus.
This plus a newer process node doesn't scream 1.200 to me. But even at 1.500 or more it'd be better value than a pre-built or trying to make this compact.
Radical_3d
Member
It's not subsidising either. Whatever % of margin the vendors are putting to the components MS is putting it too.
PlayStaytion
Member
Gabe at this point an immortal compared to past consoles ceos.
Last edited:
vaibhavpisal
Member
That rtx5070, that itself has a lot of parts needed to complete the console. Power supply VRM, cooling solution etc.
Add parts to make it full console system instead of adding full motherboard etc.
PlayStaytion
Member
The image is psychologically impossible.
Team Andromeda
Banned
Fablous news
Tobimacoss
Member
There's a flaw in your logic. Windows OEMs usually have a 20-30% profit margin in prebuilt PCs, Laptops. But the parts suppliers often have 60-100% profit margins. So you can't use retail pricing of each of those parts.
MS is going to be buying the Magnus APUs from AMD in bulk then provide them to OEMs at cost. That was according to
Proelite
OEMs will take in their 20-25% profit margins. MS isn't seeking profits from hardware, their goal is the proliferation of the open ecosystem, to attach Xbox hardware to the larger overall PC Gaming hardware ecosystem.
Team Andromeda
Banned
ricardo_sousa11
Member
That console is dead already.
There is no way that is not riddled with AI bullshit.
There is no way that is not riddled with AI bullshit.
Last edited:
WIll one full year on the market to themselves be a bad thing?
vaibhavpisal
Member
I think its gonna be a sweet spot.
No typical compromises of a console.
No typical hassles of a pc.
Just a performant system with massive library. Play whatever the hell you want.
Rubim
Member
The most absurd about all this, for a company so obsessed with AI, they dont use it.
Here's the prompt:
"Given the console market place, can you think of a winning strategy for the next xbox?"
The core bet Microsoft is making — software ubiquity over hardware lock-in — is correct long-term. The execution risk is that an open platform with no exclusives and no identity is just a more expensive PC. The strategy needs a sharper answer to why you'd want an Xbox specifically, not just why Xbox can run anything.
Here's the prompt:
"Given the console market place, can you think of a winning strategy for the next xbox?"
The core bet Microsoft is making — software ubiquity over hardware lock-in — is correct long-term. The execution risk is that an open platform with no exclusives and no identity is just a more expensive PC. The strategy needs a sharper answer to why you'd want an Xbox specifically, not just why Xbox can run anything.
They've been talking about supporting other PC stores for a while now.
They will sell the hardware at a profit. No money lost.
They'll have reduced revenue from subscriptions, but that's still better than zero subscription revenue if they'd left console business completely like many were claiming they were bound to do.
Is that why Epic already confirmed their store will be on the next Xbox?
It's the only thing that never worked for them so of course they are.
Radical_3d
Member
Our insiders are, as far as I know, Kepler, Heisenberg and Sneakers. So your whole assumption could be wrong. And Heisenberg thinks it'll be costly, so I would held my hopes up for a 1.200 machine.There's a flaw in your logic. Windows OEMs usually have a 20-30% profit margin in prebuilt PCs, Laptops. But the parts suppliers often have 60-100% profit margins. So you can't use retail pricing of each of those parts.
MS is going to be buying the Magnus APUs from AMD in bulk then provide them to OEMs at cost. That was according to
OEMs will take in their 20-25% profit margins. MS isn't seeking profits from hardware, their goal is the proliferation of the open ecosystem, to attach Xbox hardware to the larger overall PC Gaming hardware ecosystem.
TheGodfather07
Member
This will sell less on a monthly basis than xbox series is right now. In other words, DOA. Too expensive for the console audience and nothing more to offer to the PC players who basically already have access to everything it will offer. It's only market is the remaining hardcore xbox fans.
Tobimacoss
Member
Does seem like
Proelite
has had some insider knowledge, make of it what you will. But it aligns with what Xbox and AMD stated officially.
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
news.xbox.com
K KeplerL2 stated $1200 for the premium console, and since then the tariffs have been declared illegal and the global 15% tariffs will expire in 4 months.
ricardo_sousa11
Member
Riddled with AI slop! Just what everyone wanted!
Exclusives will play a pretty big role in combination with free online.
Your entire argument falls apart because you assume it'll be a 'more expensive PC'. Meanwhile it'll likely be a device that can play PC games, for a cheaper price than a similarly specced PC
At the same time, it doesn't make sense to look at it in the lens of the usual console market since it's not going to be priced as a subsidized device for mainstream sales.
Finally, access to PC games means - for the console crowd - it does have access to PC exclusives.
The ability to run nearly everything is specifically why many would want the Xbox.
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
Tom @MLiD estimates AT2 in Magnus having raster of 5080 and RT of greater than 5090 based on IPC increase in raster (+10%) and RT (2x) from RDNA4 (i.e.RX 9070XT) per CU (assuming at least 2.5GHz clock).
Last edited:
Stafford
Member
Really hope they don't solely mean Windows games, wouldn't find that too exciting and certainly not a real game changer. Steam and EGS however definitely would be that. I'm super curious how it's all gonna play out because as others have said…if they have Steam, how is that not gonna "eat" away from their own store? I also really wonder what turns out to be true that we get a true Windows/PC experience or nothing like that.
As a big Xbox fan I will still get it if it's powerful and worth it, but I truly hope we get Steam and EGS. I'm also not sure, was Jez merely guessing when he talked about that or was he in the know about it?
As a big Xbox fan I will still get it if it's powerful and worth it, but I truly hope we get Steam and EGS. I'm also not sure, was Jez merely guessing when he talked about that or was he in the know about it?
FauxXeno
Member
Between Steam Machine and Helix it's kinda exciting to see a new path being carved into the gaming space with pc/console hybrids , especially since it's a space Sony or Nintendo can't really dip their toes into . Devices that can fully use none watered down versions of applications like twitch, discord, youtube , spotify ect ect ... and no paying to play online!!! Having access to a bottomless library of games from PC trumps any argument about exclusives in my eyes . Unless Sony gives me access to every ps1/ps2/ps3 game ever released then SM and Helix just seems more appealing then the ps6 and for the future of gaming