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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

The mixed message is still really annoying. Yesterday this american consultant working with Zaluzhnyi said that Ukraine's counteroffensive is going to shock the world, and today Zelensky just said that they still don't have enough weapons for that same counteroffensive. I really don't know what to think anymore.

Unless this is part of some brilliant psy-ops campaign meant to keep the Russians guessing.

Yeah its really annoying. Why can't they give us a single linear soap opera storyline for you to focus on? :messenger_angry:
 
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winjer

Gold Member
The mixed message is still really annoying. Yesterday this american consultant working with Zaluzhnyi said that Ukraine's counteroffensive is going to shock the world, and today Zelensky just said that they still don't have enough weapons for that same counteroffensive. I really don't know what to think anymore.

Unless this is part of some brilliant psy-ops campaign meant to keep the Russians guessing.

Do you really expect Ukraine to give away their plans publicly, so Russia can better prepare?

The best strategy is to fill the news with random possibilities as to confuse the enemy.
 

Forsete

Member
I'm not military pro, but why are the soldiers walking in the open while getting blasted by shells? Not much cover in that field, but seems like almost none of them used that big long brush of trees to get out of view best as possible.
Neither am I.

Poor training? I suppose if arty starts coming in you better rush to cover, or the goal... or retreat. But in the glorious Russian army a sledgehammer is waiting for you, if you retreat.
 

winjer

Gold Member
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Liljagare

Member
It is worth to note that the T-55 started design in 1945.

I am sorry, but how in earth does RuSSia think it will do anything usefull on a modern battlefield. You also pretty much have to be a dwarf to get in inside it.
 

winjer

Gold Member
Russia, threatening the world with nuclear weapons, since 1949.
It's like a spoiled kid, that constantly threatens world destruction if he doesn't get what he wants.
 

acm2000

Member
England vs ukraine euro qualifier about to kick off, hope we smash them for the 3 points and goal difference!*

in a friendly, respectful way that pulls us together for the greater good
 

Putin wanted "total cleansing" of Ukraine, leaked spy docs show

nypost.com/2023/0...

they can now start cleaning all the bodies of their people who died invading a country.
but all Ukraine needs to do is sit down and negoitate /s

One curiosity of all this is right at the beginning of the war it was rumoured part of the Russian Convoy had mobile cremation trucks. This seemed weird, they were expecting to waltz into Ukraine, take over Kyiv with barely a shot being fired ............... soooooooooooo why did the Russians need Cremation trucks ? I guess now we know our answer as to why they needed them. They were sent to Ukraine to burn the evidence of their intended holocaust.
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
but all Ukraine needs to do is sit down and negoitate /s

One curiosity of all this is right at the beginning of the war it was rumoured part of the Russian Convoy had mobile cremation trucks. This seemed weird, they were expecting to waltz into Ukraine, take over Kyiv with barely a shot being fired ............... soooooooooooo why did the Russians need Cremation trucks ? I guess now we know our answer as to why they needed them. They were sent to Ukraine to burn the evidence of their intended holocaust.
They learnt the lesson of their predecessors the Nazi's who left lots of mass graves with evidence of their crimes hence the crematoriums, show's the sort of plans that had taken place at high level within the Kremlin before the war, to think that the West and especially Germany had cozied up to this cunt in the hopes that cheap gas could keep him on some sort of path of normalcy when all along he was just a pure evil cunt running a country of zombies & criminals.

When Ukraine eventually kicks the fuckers out, there is simply no place in the modern western world for Putin, the country and it's people need isolated from the rest of us, I have no time for a country ruled by people with no humanity.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
This thread is good way to see how can a person views be so much bended if you read one source of news. If you read this thread Ukrainians are winning and Russians are losing. And then people claim that West support will be endless, no one speaks about peace, no one here has any contact with Ukrainians to know what is happening in reality or what they feel or want.
Some fucking trolls on Twitter who have a boner about how many people die every day, on either side.

There must a peace and it can no be peace without consequences or concessions but now everyone wants to pretend that they want peace but without considering the other side. A peace happens only when two sides agree and not one side dictates and the other accepts, that happens when someone wins and not when trying to negotiate for peace.
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Daneel Elijah

Gold Member
Russia, North Korea, China, and especially Algeria, have some mindblowingly demented state-fuelled propaganda. Not the subtle kind, no, just a plain and proud fuck you! to basic common sense.
Please let Algeria out of this. Most people there know that the ruling class is bullshit. The civil war just cut their voice for a long time.
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth


That the UK MoD are ready to release this indicates that Ukraine's build up for a counter-offensive is nearing completion.

I really wish that would stop publishing figures of arms sent, they should simply keep the Russians constantly guessing
 

Tams

Gold Member
I really wish that would stop publishing figures of arms sent, they should simply keep the Russians constantly guessing
Something tells me that they know what they are doing you*, Internet stranger, do not.

*And myself too, but I'm willing to leave it to the experts.
 
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Xyphie

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Of course they don't announce everything sent. Plenty of weapon systems have appeared in Ukraine without any public announcements, for instance U.S. anti-radiation missiles just kinda appeared in Ukraine jury-rigged to MiG-29s.
 
Please let Algeria out of this. Most people there know that the ruling class is bullshit. The civil war just cut their voice for a long time.

I wrote state-fuelled, and I maintain that the level of abject propaganda (easily verifiable lies) dwarves the madness of russian channels. Anyway, don't want to derail the thread...😀
 
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winjer

Gold Member
I really wish that would stop publishing figures of arms sent, they should simply keep the Russians constantly guessing

Maybe a bit. But imagine a Russian conscript seeing Russia pulling out T-55s from storage, while seeing Ukraine getting Leopards 2 from the west.
It's quite a heavy blow to morale. And no amount of Russian propaganda can cope with that.

Worst yet, when Russian propagandist admit to the possibility of getting T-34s from museums, in the future. While Ukraine will get M1 Abrams.
 
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Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
Maybe a bit. But imagine a Russian conscript seeing Russia pulling out T-55s from storage, while seeing Ukraine getting Leopards 2 from the west.
It's quite a heavy blow to morale. And no amount of Russian propaganda can cope with that.

Worst yet, when Russian propagandist admit to the possibility of getting T-34s from museums, in the future. While Ukraine will get M1 Abrams.

World of Tanks premium players vs free to play players about to happen in real life.
 

winjer

Gold Member
World of Tanks premium players vs free to play players about to happen in real life.

But much worse, as the tanks in the game have their basic capabilities.
But the T-55s Russia is taking out of storage are probably full of rust. Several parts and wiring were stolen by soldiers and officers. The engines and barrels were already worn when they were put into storage.
I bet these tanks are not going to be given a proper maintenance and upgrades, before being put into action. At best, Russians tank crews will put a cope cage on top and some logs on the sides and front of the tank. And that's it.
Russians tank crews are not getting brand new T-55s. They are getting old, rusty, barely functional T-55s.

Of course, Western Leopards 2 and Abrams are not brand new. But they had proper maintenance. Although the equipment on these tanks is not the high end stuff, they still have modern equipment from the XXI century.
 

FunkMiller

Member
The mixed message is still really annoying. Yesterday this american consultant working with Zaluzhnyi said that Ukraine's counteroffensive is going to shock the world, and today Zelensky just said that they still don't have enough weapons for that same counteroffensive. I really don't know what to think anymore.

Unless this is part of some brilliant psy-ops campaign meant to keep the Russians guessing.

My guy... this is how war works. There is endless scuttlebutt. Information is a weapon, as is misinformation. The Ukrainians and NATO will say one thing and do the opposite just to make sure the Russians don't know what's about to hit them, or where. The fact people on social media get angry about this is entirely inconsequential to them.
 

Cyberpunkd

Gold Member
Time for the rest of us to wake up, like Poland has.
Oh boy, I sure hope that other countries will not follow, otherwise destroying one of the major army equipment companies and the only facility capable of building tanks is on the cards:
https://www.onet.pl/informacje/onet...ia-niezrozumiala-decyzja-mon/x9qdjsq,79cfc278

Or producing thousands of guns destined for Ukraine that were found to have several design faults which Polish and Ukrainian soldiers pointed out:
https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-...-specjalsow-po-szkoleniu-z-ukraincami/9dfjl0y

As always my country of birth is making a lot of fuss with little to no long-term thinking. Watch all these post-war contracts being awarded to US and Western Europe countries lol.
 
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