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HBO Original | The Last of Us | Part 1 OT | Endure & Survive

penguininthesun

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So, Florence Pugh as Abbey.

Thoughts?

She looks similar imo, same sort of build and hair, facial structure, and honestly, quite a tomboyish demeanor.
No doubt she would be great as Abby, but isn't she a big time movie star? Might be too expensive even with their crazy budget. I do wonder if all the Abby speculation is a bit of a red herring though. I personally liked Abby's side of the story in Part II, but the character was so poorly recieved by the vast majority of audiences that it's like, is it really worth going in that direction one more time? I'm sure there's a lot they could add to Abby's story to improve on the game, but at the same time...there are all these other stories they could be telling. People are pretty dug in on the Abby situation by now, and those of us who liked Abby will always have the game. It'd be more interesting to see a different scenario play out this time around. I understand that the show is a huge hit so far largely due to how faithfully it follows the source material, but I just think its a bit dangerous to hinge its success moving forward on such a polarizing character. Looking beyond just Abby, the Last of Us Part II as a whole might be hard to bring over to TV for a bunch of reasons, a major one that comes to mind being it's unique story structure. If they choose to do a faithful adaptation of Part II for the show, then I'll respect that too. I think it'd be quite admirable of them to stand behind this story that they are so clearly passionate about, even knowing that a lot of people really didn't like it the first time they told it. I loved The Last of Us Part II so either way, I'll be excited to watch Season 2.
 
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Romulus

Member
The gay love story was overdone. While it was an entertaining story between them, the whole situation felt forced.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
Oh dear. There's so much crow to eat here.

We have now confirmation that the director literally, wanted to 'trick' the audience into watching a gay love story.
He is obviously gay, and worked in another LGTBQ+ series, and 'wanted the audience to see that it's the same love as straight people'.

It's from a Daily Wire article, and I saw it in a Geeks and Gamers video.

So yeah, this episode is not made for TLOU show, is pure propaganda. Nicely done. But pure propaganda.

You think Patrick Stewart “tricked” the audience when he insisted a movie he was working on featured a dune buggy chase because the man really likes to drive? Or that Tim Burton “tricked” the audience when he repeatedly casted Bonham Carter because he was fucking her? Heck I’ll take a gay love story over Luc Besson casting a 13 year old in Leon because… well I won’t go into that.

Point is directors putting things in movies and tv shows just because they like them ain’t nothing new. Now excuse me while I go count how many times Quentin Tarantino has had barefoot actresses in his films.
 

Kyo

Member
Oh dear. There's so much crow to eat here.

We have now confirmation that the director literally, wanted to 'trick' the audience into watching a gay love story.
He is obviously gay, and worked in another LGTBQ+ series, and 'wanted the audience to see that it's the same love as straight people'.

It's from a Daily Wire article, and I saw it in a Geeks and Gamers video.

So yeah, this episode is not made for TLOU show, is pure propaganda. Nicely done. But pure propaganda.
But... the director didn't write the episode, he just handled the, you know, directing. The script was written by Craig Mazin. So this makes little sense.

What does make sense is the producers deliberately picking a director comfortable with such themes to direct the episode they had already written.

And what is "not made for TLOU show" even supposed to mean? Did he just happen to direct a story about two men called Bill and Frank for another series and Druckmann and Mazin said "what a wonderful coincidence, let's just stick this into the middle of our show"?
 
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Swift_Star

Banned
Oh dear. There's so much crow to eat here.

We have now confirmation that the director literally, wanted to 'trick' the audience into watching a gay love story.
He is obviously gay, and worked in another LGTBQ+ series, and 'wanted the audience to see that it's the same love as straight people'.

It's from a Daily Wire article, and I saw it in a Geeks and Gamers video.

So yeah, this episode is not made for TLOU show, is pure propaganda. Nicely done. But pure propaganda.
Nah, there’s no crow to be eaten here.
Lots of directors or script writers for that matter “trick” the audience in watching one thing and other happening. That’s what subverting expectations is about.
The episode is still amazing, masterfully directed and acted.
Can’t wait for episode 4.
 

MagnesD3

Member
Oh dear. There's so much crow to eat here.

We have now confirmation that the director literally, wanted to 'trick' the audience into watching a gay love story.
He is obviously gay, and worked in another LGTBQ+ series, and 'wanted the audience to see that it's the same love as straight people'.

It's from a Daily Wire article, and I saw it in a Geeks and Gamers video.

So yeah, this episode is not made for TLOU show, is pure propaganda. Nicely done. But pure propaganda.
Bill being the best side character in the game was sacrificed for this.
 

Whitecrow

Banned
Nah, there’s no crow to be eaten here.
Lots of directors or script writers for that matter “trick” the audience in watching one thing and other happening. That’s what subverting expectations is about.
The episode is still amazing, masterfully directed and acted.
Can’t wait for episode 4.
Stop insulting our intelligence. Writers job is to tell TLOU story, not to push their frustrations down our throats.

One thing is subverting expectations, another thing is abuse your power to send propaganda totally unrelated to the work you have to do.
 
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bbeach123

Member
So now he can't be included in (a possible/eventual) Part 3 if he is confirmed dead in the show.
It would be confusing, even if the show isn't canon.
He is Schrodinger's Bill now...
He's dead ?

I though I saw a little bit of his shadow by the windows in the end , or maybe just my TV being weird .
 

TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
And I get my 1k word post deleted for being off topic while this clearly deep dive into TLOU lore unfolds before us.

Sweet.

On topic: all the outrage click baity anti woke channels that keep getting referenced here are almost as bad as the Blue haired horn rim glasses types. Not everything depicting another walk of life different from yours is a personal attack, and that should go equally for both sides. But whatever. I have nothing else to say until the next episode drops. Have fun.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Oh dear. There's so much crow to eat here.

We have now confirmation that the director literally, wanted to 'trick' the audience into watching a gay love story.
He is obviously gay, and worked in another LGTBQ+ series, and 'wanted the audience to see that it's the same love as straight people'.

It's from a Daily Wire article, and I saw it in a Geeks and Gamers video.

So yeah, this episode is not made for TLOU show, is pure propaganda. Nicely done. But pure propaganda.

This sounds more like fake outrage.

We knew last year they were going to explore Bill's past with Frank, and you think they were going to completely ignore their love story?

The only "trick" is to make us think Frank and Bill were going to continue their destructive path only for us to see that they both died happily together.

Would you be this upset if they continued down the destructive path of their relationship right after Bill and Frank argued on the show?
 
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Ryuji Goda

Member
It was well made tv but not what I'm looking for in a Last of Us show. It's the Joel & Ellie show in my opinion.

If you take away the needless Bill & Frank stuff all you have is Joel & Ellie walking and getting a car. Pointless.
 

KAOS

Member
Best hour of TV? Kinda wish I didn't see the hype for episode 3. It was like a muliverse episode written by Jack Collins; where a redneck becomes Martha Stewart. Enjoying the show but I gotta stay away from the unnecessary hype.
 

Roni

Gold Member

Swift_Star

Banned
Culture Warrior's take :messenger_winking_tongue:


Subtlety is overrated. I like that they're simply showing things how they are rather than leaving them open for interpretation.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
This is a case where it wouldn't work since what they wanted to do is show that you can find love in a hopeless place (Rihanna reference intended), show a possible future for Joel had him not found love and show his friend that it's important to protect your loved ones.
 
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One of the best episodes of television I have ever experienced. I'm straight, but two hairy dudes kissing bare chested doesn't bother me like it seems to have triggered so many others. It was an amazing love story, and gave the characters way more meaning than they had in the game. The part where Frank is painting and Bill is watering flowers and looks at him and gives him a wink, amazing.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
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So, Florence Pugh as Abbey.

Thoughts?

She looks similar imo, same sort of build and hair, facial structure, and honestly, quite a tomboyish demeanor.
I wish Abby look like Florence
FTi9AMeWAAAjYe7

And no Florence is only 5.3ft, no even close to Abby
She's not even close to Abby.
You need someone that built like Gina Carano and is only 19-20
 
I wish Abby look like Florence
FTi9AMeWAAAjYe7

And no Florence is only 5.3ft, no even close to Abby
She's not even close to Abby.
You need someone that built like Gina Carano and is only 19-20

Considering the size of Bella Ramsey it'd be best not to cast someone the size of Abby in game as Bella won't match the size of Ellie in game.

And that's ok
 

Filldo

Member
Stop insulting our intelligence. Writers job is to tell TLOU story, not to push their frustrations down our throats.

One thing is subverting expectations, another thing is abuse your power to send propaganda totally unrelated to the work you have to do.
Oh yes, we must rally against all those writers abusing their power and spreading propaganda disguised as stories of the human condition!
 
This sounds more like fake outrage.

We knew last year they were going to explore Bill's past with Frank, and you think they were going to completely ignore their love story?

The only "trick" is to make us think Frank and Bill were going to continue their destructive path only for us to see that they both died happily together.

Would you be this upset if they continued down the destructive path of their relationship right after Bill and Frank argued on the show?
Honestly this is what I was personally hoping to see going into TLOU TV show - an expansion of the Bill/Frank story from the game.

Instead we got this sappy, cliched, tropey love story that just fell flat with me. The letter given to Joel at the end made me roll my eyes. In my personal experience, TLOU game was an oppressive story with characters that had no hope or light left in them. Episode 3 of the show felt from another universe, and I feel like something was lost when it comes to Joel's decision at the end and the natural character development leading up to his choice.

My personal experience with the game isn't canon though and it seems many others enjoyed the show's departure from the game. However, I can't shake the feeling that episode 3 felt like someone hammering a theme into my face rather than the more nuanced and less on the nose themes from the game. The letter from Bill to Joel was so on the nose it was laughable to me. Moreover, the letter is literally the only connection this love story had to our main characters.

In the game, Bill's town was used to bring Ellie and Joel closer together through multiple encounters and dialogue. In the show, Joel just.......reads a letter.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
This sounds more like fake outrage.

We knew last year they were going to explore Bill's past with Frank, and you think they were going to completely ignore their love story?

The only "trick" is to make us think Frank and Bill were going to continue their destructive path only for us to see that they both died happily together.

Would you be this upset if they continued down the destructive path of their relationship right after Bill and Frank argued on the show?
But this Bill and Frank are completely different form the show, if it were a true exploration of the game characters then we would've seen stuff like Frank arguing with Bill about wanting to leave the town and their relationship suffer to the point Frank hates Bill like he says in his final letter. The TV show completely replaces the game characters but keeps their names.
 
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DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
But this Bill and Frank are completely different form the show, if it were a true exploration of the game characters then we would've seen stuff like Frank arguing with Bill about wanting to leave the town and their relationship suffer to the point Frank hates Bill like he says in his final letter. The TV show's take is a complete replacement of the game characters.
It literally explores how Bill met Frank. At the very least, people (who have played the game) should have expected to see how they met and how they fell in love. They showed in the trailers Bill holding a gun toward Frank. I don't believe for a second that fans of the game didn't expect them to show some intimacy between Bill and Frank.
 

MMaRsu

Banned
Oh dear. There's so much crow to eat here.

We have now confirmation that the director literally, wanted to 'trick' the audience into watching a gay love story.
He is obviously gay, and worked in another LGTBQ+ series, and 'wanted the audience to see that it's the same love as straight people'.

It's from a Daily Wire article, and I saw it in a Geeks and Gamers video.

So yeah, this episode is not made for TLOU show, is pure propaganda. Nicely done. But pure propaganda.
Jesus dude, your iff the rails.
 

MMaRsu

Banned
You think Patrick Stewart “tricked” the audience when he insisted a movie he was working on featured a dune buggy chase because the man really likes to drive? Or that Tim Burton “tricked” the audience when he repeatedly casted Bonham Carter because he was fucking her? Heck I’ll take a gay love story over Luc Besson casting a 13 year old in Leon because… well I won’t go into that.

Point is directors putting things in movies and tv shows just because they like them ain’t nothing new. Now excuse me while I go count how many times Quentin Tarantino has had barefoot actresses in his films.
Its just footporn propaganda! Tarantino is a disgusting man!

(i love Tarantino his movies just fyi lol)
 

Swift_Star

Banned
But this Bill and Frank are completely different form the show, if it were a true exploration of the game characters then we would've seen stuff like Frank arguing with Bill about wanting to leave the town and their relationship suffer to the point Frank hates Bill like he says in his final letter. The TV show completely replaces the game characters but keeps their names.
Bill is NOT completely different. Like, at all, neither is Frank.
He is anarchist, crazy and paranoid JUST LIKE THE GAMES.
But they wanted to provide a parallel reality where Frank was able to change Bill, which is much better than what we saw in the game, imo.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
It literally explores how Bill met Frank. At the very least, people (who have played the game) should have expected to see how they met and how they fell in love. They showed in the trailers Bill holding a gun toward Frank. I don't believe for a second that fans of the game didn't expect them to show some intimacy between Bill and Frank.
Is that really something important enough to dedicate screentime to though? I don't think we ever see how Joel and Tess met and how they got together in the smuggling business but we don't question it when we see them together in action.

At best it's an alternate take on Bill and Frank but it's not an expansion of the game characters since they're so different in the show IMO.
 
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MMaRsu

Banned

MMaRsu

Banned
Is that really something important enough to dedicate screentime to though? I don't think we ever see how Joel and Tess met and got together in the smuggling business but we don't question it when we see them together in action.

At best it's an alternate take on Bill and Frank but it's not an expansion of the game characters since they're so different in the show IMO.
The last of Us is about human emotions, how to deal with death, the evaporation of society. I dunno what you were expecting.
 

Swift_Star

Banned
Honestly this is what I was personally hoping to see going into TLOU TV show - an expansion of the Bill/Frank story from the game.

Instead we got this sappy, cliched, tropey love story that just fell flat with me. The letter given to Joel at the end made me roll my eyes. In my personal experience, TLOU game was an oppressive story with characters that had no hope or light left in them. Episode 3 of the show felt from another universe, and I feel like something was lost when it comes to Joel's decision at the end and the natural character development leading up to his choice.

My personal experience with the game isn't canon though and it seems many others enjoyed the show's departure from the game. However, I can't shake the feeling that episode 3 felt like someone hammering a theme into my face rather than the more nuanced and less on the nose themes from the game. The letter from Bill to Joel was so on the nose it was laughable to me. Moreover, the letter is literally the only connection this love story had to our main characters.

In the game, Bill's town was used to bring Ellie and Joel closer together through multiple encounters and dialogue. In the show, Joel just.......reads a letter.
That's factually wrong. He doesn't simply read a letter. He lived with these characters, he made trades with these characters. He as friends with these characters.
Then he reaches their house, he finds something is wrong, he finds the letter, he feels crushed by what happened and we understand why because the context was given.
So, no, its not just reading a letter.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
Bill is NOT completely different. Like, at all, neither is Frank.
He is anarchist, crazy and paranoid JUST LIKE THE GAMES.
But they wanted to provide a parallel reality where Frank was able to change Bill, which is much better than what we saw in the game, imo.
If you wanna get pedantic, sure, the Bill share some similarities but their character differences is big enough to consider them different characters IMO.
 

Swift_Star

Banned
If you wanna get pedantic, sure, the Bill share some similarities but their character differences is big enough to consider them different characters IMO.
Nah, they're not different characters, they just made different choices and ended up on different places in life.
Cloud from FF7 isn't a different character than the one from remake.
Neither is Shinji from Evangelion than the one from Rebuild.
Their essences are the same, their personalities are the same.
They just made different choices than their original versions.
So, saying they're different characters is factually wrong.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
Nah, they're not different characters, they just made different choices and ended up on different places in life.
Cloud from FF7 isn't a different character than the one from remake.
Neither is Shinji from Evangelion than the one from Rebuild.
Their essences are the same, their personalities are the same.
They just made different choices than their original versions.
So, saying they're different characters is factually wrong.
Fine let's get even more pedantic though I don't really agree with all the other characters you're bringing up but I'll focus on Bill and Frank.

They're alternate versions of the same characters but in very different situations. Because of the big difference in situation the TV show is not an expansion of the game's situation but simply an alternate take of the characters.

Their personalities have had to be different because in the game Frank seems to hate Bill's guts leading him to wonder off alone to try to leave town.
 
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DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Honestly this is what I was personally hoping to see going into TLOU TV show - an expansion of the Bill/Frank story from the game.

Instead we got this sappy, cliched, tropey love story that just fell flat with me. The letter given to Joel at the end made me roll my eyes. In my personal experience, TLOU game was an oppressive story with characters that had no hope or light left in them. Episode 3 of the show felt from another universe, and I feel like something was lost when it comes to Joel's decision at the end and the natural character development leading up to his choice.

My personal experience with the game isn't canon though and it seems many others enjoyed the show's departure from the game. However, I can't shake the feeling that episode 3 felt like someone hammering a theme into my face rather than the more nuanced and less on the nose themes from the game. The letter from Bill to Joel was so on the nose it was laughable to me. Moreover, the letter is literally the only connection this love story had to our main characters.

In the game, Bill's town was used to bring Ellie and Joel closer together through multiple encounters and dialogue. In the show, Joel just.......reads a letter.

I do prefer Bill's character in the game because of how entertaining he was, but his story on the show is more relevant to Joel and Ellie's journey and that's one aspect that I like better.

The final words seen in the letter are

"them to keep Tess safe"
"and she decide you've"
"I recommend pairing"


It's believed that one of the reasons why Bill left the letter to Joel is to encourage him to finally love Tess, but he's unable to do this because she's dead.


Bill's words have more meaning after seeing his story. He was finally able to love someone after spending years shutting everyone out. This is what Bill is trying to get Joel to do. I can't say that I would feel the same way about Bill's words unless I've seen his story.

That's just my interpretation.
 

saintjules

Member
Isn't Bill still alive in the game? Or supposed to be alive since he didn't show in part 2? (maybe I missed some collectible about him).

Story wise he's technically alive, given we're not told what happens after Joel and Ellie leave the town.

There's a theory that he might have died by setting off one of his own traps.

 
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That's factually wrong. He doesn't simply read a letter. He lived with these characters, he made trades with these characters. He as friends with these characters.
Then he reaches their house, he finds something is wrong, he finds the letter, he feels crushed by what happened and we understand why because the context was given.
So, no, its not just reading a letter.
Factually, we saw what was given to us on screen. You can make any inferences you want but I have no reason to believe Joel was as close to them as you imply. I felt no warmth between Joel and Bill from what was shown. If they had explored that relationship further in the show, I would've been interested to see it.
It's believed that one of the reasons why Bill left the letter to Joel is to encourage him to finally love Tess, but he's unable to do this because she's dead.


Bill's words have more meaning after seeing his story. He was finally able to love someone after spending years shutting everyone out. This is what Bill is trying to get Joel to do. I can't say that I would feel the same way about Bill's words unless I've seen his story.

That's just my interpretation.
Except Joel, Tess, Bill & Frank were barely onscreen together in this episode. I would hardly call the interaction between Joel and Bill friendly, to me it felt entirely needs based.

In the game, Joel didn't need the letter to start loving Ellie. I don't see how the letter is an improvement on the original story, and to me personally it was a detriment to have something so overt inserted into the development of that relationship.
 

Tripolygon

Banned
Honestly this is what I was personally hoping to see going into TLOU TV show - an expansion of the Bill/Frank story from the game.
After having watched episode 3, in your mind, try and expand on the story of Bill and Frank as it was in the game for 1 hour. The story as told in the game, Bill was closed off from the world and refuses to venture out from his little town, set traps to prevent infected and people from coming into the town. Frank hated his guts. And he owes Joel some favors and Joel has come to collect payment in the form of a battery. What do you imagine that story will play out like in ~60 minutes of TV?

Bill and Frank sit around and argue all day?
Bill and Frank fight off raiders and infected for 60 minutes?
What motivates Frank to leave the safety of Bill's town in turn getting him bitten and then hangs himself?
Instead we got this sappy, cliched, tropey love story that just fell flat with me. The letter given to Joel at the end made me roll my eyes.
Love and hate are opposite sides of the same coin. Hate is as much a cliche and tropey as a love story. The letter Joel picks up in the game is just i hate you and hate your guts and i'd rather die than live here with your old ways of just being stuck. It works in the game because it is optional side content you as a player can read. The letter does not flesh out the motivation for why Frank hates Bill.

Well, Bill, I doubt you'd ever find this note cause you were too scared to ever make it to this part of town. But if for some reason you did, I want you to know I hated your guts. I grew tired of this shitty town and your set-in-your-ways attitude. I wanted more from life than this and you could never get that.

And that stupid battery you kept moaning about -- I got it. But I guess you were right. Trying to leave this town will kill me. Still better than spending another day with you. Good Luck, Frank

In my personal experience, TLOU game was an oppressive story with characters that had no hope or light left in them.
You are not painting an accurate picture of the game. The game is about human connection in a post apocalyptic world. The game opens with Father and Daughter relationship, then we see Joel and Tess relationship, then we see Bill and Frank relationship, then Joel and Ellie relationship then Sam and Henry relationship then Tommy and Maria relationship. Even the "baddies" had communities and friends and relationships. Hope and light underpinned every relationship you met on the journey. Frank had hope for a better life, Bill was happy in his own little world and never wanted to leave. Sam and Henry were very happy and hopeful for a better life, Henry wanted to ride a motorcycle. Tommy and Maria made a better life and community for themselves and were married and happy.

Episode 3 of the show felt from another universe,
Episode 3 is another take on the Bill and Frank story even though underneath it is very similar. What the show and game have in common;

Bill was a shut-in prepper type who as far as we know never really had relationships when things were normal
He found Frank and was able to have a connection with someone
He loved Frank
He was able to connect with Joel and Tess

and I feel like something was lost when it comes to Joel's decision at the end and the natural character development leading up to his choice.
In the game, Bill served as a cautionary tale to Joel while in the show he served as an example of the possibilities and joy of connecting with people. Both stories as told in the show and game pushed the story forward.

However, I can't shake the feeling that episode 3 felt like someone hammering a theme into my face rather than the more nuanced and less on the nose themes from the game.
See i don't understand this take. You are mistaking vagueness as nuance. Till this day some people still don't realize Frank and Bill were in a relationship. But also the gay porn Ellie took from Bill is anything but nuanced. There is nothing hamfisted about the portrayal of love between two people. What exactly is nuanced about the story in the game, they barely touched on Bill relationship, all he said was Frank was his partner and the whole spiel about "once upon a time i had someone i cared about and all that is good for is getting you killed"

The letter from Bill to Joel was so on the nose it was laughable to me. Moreover, the letter is literally the only connection this love story had to our main characters.
The only connection you have with Bill in the game is that Bill owes Joel some favors and a fetch quest for some batteries.

The show establishes that

1. Tess/Joel and Frank/Bill had a system of communicating with one another
2. Tess/Joel and Frank/Bill had meals together
3. Bill trusted them enough to give them the code to his compound which suggests they made regular trips there
4. Upon his death Bill left everything to Joel

Are any of the above things you see Bill in the game doing?
In the game, Bill's town was used to bring Ellie and Joel closer together through multiple encounters and dialogue. In the show, Joel just.......reads a letter.
Bill's town in the show served the same purpose in a less violent way.
 
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DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Is that really something important enough to dedicate screentime to though? I don't think we ever see how Joel and Tess met and how they got together in the smuggling business but we don't question it when we see them together in action.

At best it's an alternate take on Bill and Frank but it's not an expansion of the game characters since they're so different in the show IMO.

If you want to tell a story, then yes, you need to dedicate screentime.

Joel told Ellie the story about how the outbreak occurred in episode 3. We have seen a flashback of how the outbreak occurred in episode 2.

Which version had a better impact? I'm sure the majority will say the flashback in Episode 2. We don't question how the outbreak occurred in The Last of Us, but seeing the events during the flashback made the story better.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
If you want to tell a story, then yes, you need to dedicate screentime.

Joel told Ellie the story about how the outbreak occurred in episode 3. We have seen a flashback of how the outbreak occurred in episode 2.

Which version had a better impact? I'm sure the majority will say the flashback in Episode 2. We don't question how the outbreak occurred in The Last of Us, but seeing the events during the flashback made the story better.
Well, it worked just fine in the game that we never see how Bill and Frank met or how Joel met Tess.

Maybe I'm just sour from not seeing Bill town from the game... 👀
 
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