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"I Need a New PC!" 2023. 6-24 Cores, Frame Generation, Enhanced Ray Tracing & Direct Storage.

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JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Does anyone have a recommended high refresh rate TN panel that does 360 Hz and is reasonably cheap. I am only using it to play older games that can hit those high framerates, so I don't need super high color accuracy. I want minimal smearing and high refresh rates. I bought a 240 Hz ROG Strix and it was a smeary mess. I couldn't believe it. I thought those Asus ROG Strix were supposed to be the cream of the crop.

I am cool with a VA panel, too given the high contrast.

I'd really just prefer to avoid IPS
 
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DanEON

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I will build my new PC this week. Bought an 7600, never had AMD CPU before. Should I just leave everything on default, or is there any settings on bios that I should change? (apart from EXPO memory settings)
 

GreatnessRD

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Does anyone have a recommended high refresh rate TN panel that does 360 Hz and is reasonably cheap. I am only using it to play older games that can hit those high framerates, so I don't need super high color accuracy. I want minimal smearing and high refresh rates. I bought a 240 Hz ROG Strix and it was a smeary mess. I couldn't believe it. I thought those Asus ROG Strix were supposed to be the cream of the crop.

I am cool with a VA panel, too given the high contrast.

I'd really just prefer to avoid IPS
I tried to look for you and I swung and miss. I'm surprised the ROG was that bad being a smeary mess. Maybe their upcoming 360hz monitor is a lot better in that department. I don't think it released yet.
 

Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
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Vertical GPU mount GET!

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Moved aio hoses behind the card and towards the back so looks even better
 
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JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I will build my new PC this week. Bought an 7600, never had AMD CPU before. Should I just leave everything on default, or is there any settings on bios that I should change? (apart from EXPO memory settings)
I would absolutely try and undervolt it. It is absolutely INSANE how much my system improved doing this.



The one thing this video doesn't tell you is to run Cinebench after each change.
 

Celcius

°Temp. member
Once the x3d chips come out next month will they work on motherboards automatically or will they need bios updates to boot?
 
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GreatnessRD

Member
Will you be able to update the bios without needing another CPU? Most likely yes with modern motherboards, right?
Depends on the motherboard you purchase. Just make sure it has BIOS flaskback then you're gravy. Should come on most mid-range and high-end boards.
 

b0uncyfr0

Member
Im finally building, after 10 years! Coming from a 3770k, i expect this rig to take flight. Tell me how i'm going:

A 7600x
Asus TUF gaming x670e or Gigabyte x670 aorus elite ax. Unsure which is superior..

Unsure on RAM, the options are:
Ripjaws S5 (198) - https://www.gskill.com/product/165/377/1649234720/F5-6000J3040F16GX2-RS5W-F5-6000J3040F16GA2-RS5W
Trident Z5 Neo (202) - https://www.gskill.com/product/165/390/1661410135/F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR
Trident Z5 (212) - https://www.gskill.com/product/165/374/1649235161/F5-6000J3040F16GX2-TZ5RK-F5-6000J3040F16GA2-TZ5RK

Also need a 750W PSU - im thinking long term for a 7800xt.

NH-D14 (re-used) - Better to reuse it than sell right? Haven checked ram clearance though.
 
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JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
My 7700X has been a rather nice upgrade over my 12700K, but I do get frustrated at how often the system won't boot.

It had a nasty issue where it wouldn't boot and the motherboard would stay on red. It doesn't always do that but it does it roughly 1 out of 10 boots and I am curious as to why. The most recent time where it booted, the main OS M.2. didn't show up. Once I shut off the system from the back, it came back and booted normally.

Anyone have any weird issues? I've seen that some suggest that disabling Fast Boot might be the best way.

My motherboard is the Asus Prime X670E

It's being undervolted with an 85W power limit and is VERY quiet and cool.
 

PhoenixTank

Member
My 7700X has been a rather nice upgrade over my 12700K, but I do get frustrated at how often the system won't boot.

It had a nasty issue where it wouldn't boot and the motherboard would stay on red. It doesn't always do that but it does it roughly 1 out of 10 boots and I am curious as to why. The most recent time where it booted, the main OS M.2. didn't show up. Once I shut off the system from the back, it came back and booted normally.

Anyone have any weird issues? I've seen that some suggest that disabling Fast Boot might be the best way.

My motherboard is the Asus Prime X670E

It's being undervolted with an 85W power limit and is VERY quiet and cool.
Bruh.

Sorry - hasty late night post. Typo of y-cruncher but what I was actually thinking of was CoreCycler.
You can probably dial back on the 12 hours per core stability recommendation made there.

A bunch of folks, particularly youtubers, treat maxed negative offsets as free performance/power savings but they frequently need tuning and aren't guaranteed. They'd all ship like that if they were but silicon varies, eh? So YMMV but if nothing else mentally note that if you have weird intermittent or possibly hard to explain stability issues at some point down the line, that might be why.
Or you may be lucky and it'll be perfect as is!
 
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GreatnessRD

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My 7700X has been a rather nice upgrade over my 12700K, but I do get frustrated at how often the system won't boot.

It had a nasty issue where it wouldn't boot and the motherboard would stay on red. It doesn't always do that but it does it roughly 1 out of 10 boots and I am curious as to why. The most recent time where it booted, the main OS M.2. didn't show up. Once I shut off the system from the back, it came back and booted normally.

Anyone have any weird issues? I've seen that some suggest that disabling Fast Boot might be the best way.

My motherboard is the Asus Prime X670E

It's being undervolted with an 85W power limit and is VERY quiet and cool.
Sounds to me like it might be a RAM issue to me. BIOS up to date?
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Sounds to me like it might be a RAM issue to me. BIOS up to date?
Yes, BIOS is up to date. The RAM I got is the GSkill exclusively for AMD RAM that Microcenter gives for free with every purchase of a Ryzen 7000 CPU.

I am looking to replace that RAM with RGB RAM at some point.
 

rofif

Banned
ooof. I couldn't pass on it and bought 3dfx voodoo Diamond. Even has the cable to connect to 2d card.
I think this is the one I had in 1998. If so, my retro pc will be complete! I have s3 elephant 4mb to go along with it. Why am I doing this
 

Irobot82

Member
I could use some advice.
I have a 5600X CPU, 16GB 3600 CL16 RAM.
My GPU is old though, it's a GTX 1080. It just isn't cutting it anymore for 1440p gaming.

I'm really not enthusiastic about spending $800 for a 4070ti. I feel like the 7900XT is around $100-150 too expensive and AMD hasn't even announced a 7800XT. So what's left? Do I spend $500 on a 6800? Do I go even lower down and spend $350 on a 6700XT and wait it out another year or so?
 

GreatnessRD

Member
I could use some advice.
I have a 5600X CPU, 16GB 3600 CL16 RAM.
My GPU is old though, it's a GTX 1080. It just isn't cutting it anymore for 1440p gaming.

I'm really not enthusiastic about spending $800 for a 4070ti. I feel like the 7900XT is around $100-150 too expensive and AMD hasn't even announced a 7800XT. So what's left? Do I spend $500 on a 6800? Do I go even lower down and spend $350 on a 6700XT and wait it out another year or so?
You've held out this long, unless you absolutely need a new GPU I'd say wait to see what the offerings of both Nvidia and AMD's "mid-range" will look like first.
 

Irobot82

Member
You've held out this long, unless you absolutely need a new GPU I'd say wait to see what the offerings of both Nvidia and AMD's "mid-range" will look like first.
Yeah. I tried forspoken and I'm getting like 22-55 fps. Usually I can roll around 45-60 with reduced settings. Now I'm just worried about what Hogwarts is going to run and look like. It's just getting reaaaaal long in the tooth ya know?
 

GreatnessRD

Member
Yeah. I tried forspoken and I'm getting like 22-55 fps. Usually I can roll around 45-60 with reduced settings. Now I'm just worried about what Hogwarts is going to run and look like. It's just getting reaaaaal long in the tooth ya know?
Yeah, I can definitely understand that. I also heard the optimization in Forspoken is toilet water, so that might also be the problem. But I totally understand your point of upgrading, too.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I could use some advice.
I have a 5600X CPU, 16GB 3600 CL16 RAM.
My GPU is old though, it's a GTX 1080. It just isn't cutting it anymore for 1440p gaming.

I'm really not enthusiastic about spending $800 for a 4070ti. I feel like the 7900XT is around $100-150 too expensive and AMD hasn't even announced a 7800XT. So what's left? Do I spend $500 on a 6800? Do I go even lower down and spend $350 on a 6700XT and wait it out another year or so?
The 6800 is really the best deal to be had right now. If you need something now that's really it.
 

GymWolf

Member
So guys, today the give me the new pc, i need some links with guides about all the stuff i have to disable\turn on in windows 11 to not be a complete shitshow, also some guides with stuff to check in the bios to see if everything is ok and at least one free benchmark that gives me a score so i can check online if my pc perform as intended.

Don't get too technical with the links, treat me like i'm 5 years old with my first pc.

the cpu is intel and the mobo is msi, if that can help.
The bios should be already updated because the mobo would not read my 13th gen cpu without an updated bios.

Also i'm not sure if the builder did the overclock of the ram in the bios with the xmp profile(the factory one from 4800 to 6000, not the heavy one that overclockers do) so i need to know how to do that manually.

I'm gonna take some pics inside so you people can tell me if the dude did a good job or if he mounted the fucking gpu instead of the psu because reasons.


Any advice on stuff to do on a new pc to maximize gaming or to not stress the ssd (i know it's a thing) is well accepted.

p.s. what is the best app to monitor temps etc? like hwmonitor etc.

p.p.s. does windows take care of all the drivers for the mobo and stuff like keyboard and mouse or do i have to search and install this stuff manually? i usually don't like to touch drivers if there is not a problem except for the gpu.
 
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GymWolf

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Enable on the UEFI, the options for Above 4G Decoding and Resizable Bar. Then enable it on the nVidia control panel.

The best tool to monitor temperatures, frame rate, etc in-mage, is MSI Afterburner.
Any other stuff like telemetry to disable and just stuff to disable to make win11 as light as possible?

I had like 100 small open processes in my old pc, sure with 32gb or ram it should not be a problem but i always hated that.

P.s. of course nothing too hard to do or that can even remotely cause instability.
 
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winjer

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Any other stuff like telemetry to disable and just stuff to disable to make win11 as light as possible?

I had like 100 small open processes in my old pc, sure with 32gb or ram it should not be a problem but i always hated that.

P.s. of course nothing too hard to do or that can even remotely cause instability.

I use ChrisTitus windows Debloat tool. Just open PowerShell with Admin mode, then paste this: iwr -useb https://christitus.com/win | iex
This will open a web program with several options.
Here is a guide, but I don't recommend doing all tweaks. Look carefully at what you need and don't.

 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
So guys, today the give me the new pc, i need some links with guides about all the stuff i have to disable\turn on in windows 11 to not be a complete shitshow, also some guides with stuff to check in the bios to see if everything is ok and at least one free benchmark that gives me a score so i can check online if my pc perform as intended.

Don't get too technical with the links, treat me like i'm 5 years old with my first pc.

the cpu is intel and the mobo is msi, if that can help.
The bios should be already updated because the mobo would not read my 13th gen cpu without an updated bios.

Also i'm not sure if the builder did the overclock of the ram in the bios with the xmp profile(the factory one from 4800 to 6000, not the heavy one that overclockers do) so i need to know how to do that manually.

I'm gonna take some pics inside so you people can tell me if the dude did a good job or if he mounted the fucking gpu instead of the psu because reasons.


Any advice on stuff to do on a new pc to maximize gaming or to not stress the ssd (i know it's a thing) is well accepted.

p.s. what is the best app to monitor temps etc? like hwmonitor etc.

p.p.s. does windows take care of all the drivers for the mobo and stuff like keyboard and mouse or do i have to search and install this stuff manually? i usually don't like to touch drivers if there is not a problem except for the gpu.
Not on Windows 11 so I havent customized a Win11 build yet.
Every Win11 machine ive built has been stock stock.

Ive got the same motherboard as you.
When you enter the BIOS (press Del on boot), you should see "Game Boost" top left, one of those options is XMP Profile 2.
Enable that profile which should be you memorys fastest rated speed.
All the other settings will be entered automatically.

Save and Exit.
Reboot and go back into the BIOS.
Now click on Overclock Settings (OC).

Under DRAM it should tell you what speed your RAM is running at and just make sure its the rated speed for your memory kit.

While in the Overclock Settings (OC) menu.
You should see something titled CPU cooler settings or tunings. Right on top of DRAM settings.
Click on it and set it to Water Cooling.
This will give your CPU all the power it ever needs.

MSI are weird with their naming of things sometimes, so the powerlimiter is named CPU Cooler.
I dont know how worthwhile it actually is for K chips as they can be set to have PL1 = PL2, but coming from a non-K owner this lets the CPU boost forever as needed without downclocking (Thermals permitting)

Youll also want to enable Resizable BAR.
In the main settings Menu -> Advanced -> PCIe -> PCI Sub System: Re-Size BAR Support set to enabled.
You can check if it worked from the Nvidia control panel.

Best for monitoring Temps and everything IMO.
HWInfo and MSI Afterburner/RTSS.
If you are using RTSS enable the PerfMon/Perfcount.DLL in the settings menu.
This lets you monitor your SSDs Read/Write/Temps in real time.
Not particularly useful in practice but we are PC Gamers, every piece of information is seen as a boon
 

GymWolf

Member
Well shit, talk about never judgying a book from his cover, the builder was actually very professional, he already did the ram overclock and even tested the pc intensively with some benchmarks, he left the screenshot of the results in a folder.

Call me impressed.

He even recognized how good my case choice was, it felt good, not gonna lie.

Later for some pics.
 
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dave_d

Member
The only thing I can add for GymWolf is turn fast boot off. (Not sure if it’s still on by default in windows 11 but it was in 8 and 10 for some reason nobody knows)
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The only thing I can add for GymWolf is turn fast boot off. (Not sure if it’s still on by default in windows 11 but it was in 8 and 10 for some reason nobody knows)
Why turn off Fast Boot?

Unless you mean Fast Startup which is a different thing, that saves states, which can be detrimental to SSDs since people are so worried about their SSDs life spans these days.
 

dave_d

Member
Why turn off Fast Boot?

Unless you mean Fast Startup which is a different thing, that saves states, which can be detrimental to SSDs since people are so worried about their SSDs life spans these days.
You’re right. I mean fast startup which is that thing in windows that hibernates your pc instead of really shutting it down.
 

GymWolf

Member
So it looks like the pc builder already enabled the resizeable bar because in the nvidia control panel it says that it is enabled.

But i have 2 problems now:

the pc is kinda...slow to turn on? like double the time of my old pc with a way faster ssd, also it doesn't show any msi splashscreen or anything, it just goes from black to turned on.

And i can't go to the recovery mode to use ddu to uninstall the nvidia drivers for a clean install because the dude installed geforce experience and i don't want that.

I tried with the method i always used, an advanced reboot from the setting, the pc rebooted but it didn't showed anything, just a black screen but it was working because the fans were on, then i was panicked and i just clicked the mouse or something in the keyboard and it rebooted normally.

What the fuck?

these are the benchh they did

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How are the results? and how the fuck do i go into recovery mode?
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
So it looks like the pc builder already enabled the resizeable bar because in the nvidia control panel it says that it is enabled.

But i have 2 problems now:

the pc is kinda...slow to turn on? like double the time of my old pc with a way faster ssd, also it doesn't show any msi splashscreen or anything, it just goes from black to turned on.

And i can't go to the recovery mode to use ddu to uninstall the nvidia drivers for a clean install because the dude installed geforce experience and i don't want that.

I tried with the method i always used, an advanced reboot from the setting, the pc rebooted but it didn't showed anything, just a black screen but it was working because the fans were on, then i was panicked and i just clicked the mouse or something in the keyboard and it rebooted normally.

What the fuck?

these are the benchh they did




How are the results? and how the fuck do i go into recovery mode?

You could just reinstall whatever driver version you are on an NOT tick GFE.
This will actually remove GFE from your PC. (found out the hardway, I figured it would stay as long as I already had it)
GFE is the only way to access Nvidia Freestyle, Nvidia Ansel and Nvidias overlay.
So if you want Nvidias Overlay or to use any Freestyle effects might as well just keep it.


Doing an Advanced Boot from the settings menu you dont get the recovery screen its just blank?
That is strange.
I cant think why recovery menu wouldnt work.

Have you tried forced recovery after forcing 3 failed boots.
 
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