feynoob
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depending on how poor you are.
People like that deny themselves some good games.
I was like that, until I forced myself to try more games. Now i play alot of games.
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I was like that, until I forced myself to try more games. Now i play alot of games.
Imru’ al-Qays
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I mean if I can't find 5 full-length games to play in a year you think my girlfriend can? All she's played this entire year are Elden Ring and Gran Turismo (neither of which are on Gamepass)
TonyK
Member
And why are you here? Go to a drinking forum.
Imru’ al-Qays
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I'm here because I like gaming, that doesn't mean I mindlessly play shit games just to fill some void in my life. Most of the games I've played this year (beyond the 269 hours of Elden Ring lol) have been emulated on my Vita/3DS.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Why would they have to be full-length games, whatever that actually means?
brettski2024
Member
I'm saving money because nothing seems like fun anymore on those consoles. Retro and random switch games for me
Imru’ al-Qays
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Because the entire value proposition of Gamepass is that it will replace at least some of my $60-70 gaming purchases. If we start including $15-20 indie games then it becomes basically impossible for Gamepass to ever make financial sense
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
feynoob
Banned
Did you check the list that I sent you?
People want to brag about their ability to buy games, and hate when people get those games for cheap.
Its like the old folks who hated music streaming, and wanted people to spend money buying CD/cassette music.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
You know what drives me nuts? We have a Series X and PS5, a Quest 2 and a Switch, and a decent PC. Motherfuckers just want to play Roblox.Yep. My kid plays subscription trash all day.
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Imru’ al-Qays
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Yes, most of the games I'd be interested in I've already purchased and played. If a game comes out that I want to play I usually just buy it, mathematically I don't really know how large this universe of "games good enough that I want to play but not good enough that I just buy them at launch" could possibly be.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Well, I was kidding. I actually dont let my kid play subscription stuff. Especially not F2P stuff like fortnite, roblox and all these other bits and pieces games Sony and MS are willing to give away for free. I raised him on Zeldas ever since he was 5 and could barely understand how to play games. I buy him Nintendo games at full price, but I think games like luigi's mansion, botw, mario odyssey, super mario 3d worlds, and even super mario party are far better games than the trash on subscriptions and especially roblox. It's paid off because he played Stray for like an hour and a half and told me the game is boring.
Minecraft is the only such game I allow and thats mostly because it inspires them to create like legos, but whenever people bring up subscriptions being good for kids, i always feel bad because id rather kids grow up learning what makes a great game truly great, and despite my Nintendo hate, they still get game design and put quality over quantity.
My wife on the other hand let them watch trash on youtube and netflix, and now we cant get them to watch good Disney classics because they are addicted to trash on youtube.
feynoob
Banned
The universe is large to the point, where cool games fly under your radar.
Too many games gets released, and your focus are only things that interest you. Which means, you are passing on the oppurtunity of playing these games.
That is your problem. You have a set of goal, and will only play what you are actually paying attention to.
Gamepass and ps+ (Premium/extra) have games, which flew under your radar. They allow you to play those games, which otherwise you wouldnt have known they exist before.
Imru’ al-Qays
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I mean, I looked at your list again, and I'm just not seeing it. There are plenty of interesting games, but they're mostly $20 indie games. There are zero interesting new $60-70 releases. All of the full-length games I'd be interested in playing have been on sale for $30 or less multiple times over the past year.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
I talk trash about Roblox but there are actually quality games in there, and I taught my son a long time ago that in-game currency and battle passes are a scam so he’s not about that life. I’m not about to curate what games he’s allowed to play so long as they are appropriate for someone his age. Plus GP has exposed us both to games we’d never have tried otherwise. Unsure where this idea that sub games are trash or whatever lol. I’ve been playing games since the 80s and I know a good deal when I see one.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That's great because that's your honest opinion, but you caught peoples attention with comments like "I don't understand why grown people will do xyz".
Clearly you're not in the mindset or habits of all grown folks. Many people derive a lot of enjoyment and value out of these sub services. Many people do both, buy their preferred game at retail while maintaining a sub for the smaller interesting things that they wouldn't pay for otherwise, while also enjoying the bigger AAA games that come to those services.
feynoob
Banned
2022 was not a good year for AAA gaming.
Its better to show you 2023 gamepass list.
Upcoming Xbox Game Pass games
- January 2023
- "Coming soon"
- February 2023
- March 2023
- First half of 2023
- TBC 2023
- Bounty Star: The Morose Tale of Graveyard Clem
- Humankind
- Turnip Boy Robs a Bank
- Guilty Gear Strive
- Homestead Arcana
- Lies of P
- Dungeons 4
- Railway Empire 2
- Little Witch in the Woods
- Replaced
- Ereban: Shadow Legacy
- Ravenlok
- Cocoon
- Ark II
- Flintlock: The Siege of Dawn
- Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes
- The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
- Unknown
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
im basing it mostly on my experience with gamepass going back to April 2018 when i first got it, and PS+ which i started subbing regularly since 2013. The indie games they have on the service are just games no one would pay full price for. I think Hades was the only indie GOTY contender that showed up on Gamepass on day one, and that was a year after it debut on PC.
And lets face it, Hades is an exception. so many indie games nowadays are basically worse version of 2D games we grew up playing in the 90s. Forget the 2D nintendo games which are still in a league of their own, half of these indie games dont even come close to pushing the envelope like Contra, Streets of Rage, and other arcade games from the 90s. They feel retreads at best.
Indies should be doing unique stuff instead of making quick and dirty 2D titles. Go play around with physics and simulations. Do stuff that the big AAA devs chasing pretty graphics arent doing.
I dont hate indies. Ive put in over 400 hours playing FTL on steam. hundreds more in Hades. Journey and Flower are my all time favorites, but i look at some of these new indie games and its just fluff. Either games made to tell stories, or games made because they didnt have enough budget to make 3D games.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
2023 is looking amazing for Gamepass, but man you cant just phone in 2022 like that. They shouldve pivoted as soon as they realized Starfield wasnt going to make it. Go get Elden Ring, go get Gotham Knights, Callisto Protocol and Harry Potter. HP ended up getting delayed but for the longest time it was a 2022 title. NFS is another big AAA title they shouldve gotten. Thats five AAA games that didnt have Sony advertising locked up.
Instead they settled for Plague's Tale. Thats it. One big AAA game. Fuck High on Life. Give me The Quarry. Thats an adult focused game with AAA production values. Thats the kind of game they are offering in 2023 month after month. Why phone in 2022?
Imru’ al-Qays
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Maybe Wo Long, maybe Starfield, maybe Avowed? Maybe Hellblade 2? But honestly 2023 is going to have so many fucking releases (Armored Core 6, FFXVI, Zelda, Elden Ring DLC. . .) and at least one or two of the games I listed (probably Wo Long and Starfield lol) aren't actually going to wind up being any good.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
My Friend Pedro, Hades, Enter the Gungeon, both Ori games, Stardew Valley, SuperHot, Hellblade, No Mans Sky, The Outer Worlds, etc. Zero percent chance I play any of those indie titles without Game Pass. That is the real value at least to me. You sub because you want the bigger games, the day and date types, but you end up filling in those gaps with games that you’re willing to try because you don’t have to buy them. I’m not about to pay $30 for The Gunk no matter what the reviews say, but it was on GP so fuck it, and it was a solid story.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Harry Potter and Callisto have Sony marketing and exclusive content, they aren't gonna be coming to game pass for the foreseeable future.
Also, High on Life is great. I would fuck it if I could.
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feynoob
Banned
Not to mention, they could have used some of last year's games too.
They bottled in that department.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
I thought 2022 GP was fine. Deathloop, High on Life, A Plague Tale, Grounded 1.0, It Takes Two, MS Flight Sim, Lego Star Wars, etc.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
You can definitely still create great games under a subscription service, but I would imagine that would affect budgets in games because the companies obviously have to make their money back. I feel high budget games like GOW Ragnarok, Horizon FW or GTA6 for example would struggle to make their money back under a subscription service because those games generally costs many millions to develop.
You would probably have to achieve Netflix type numbers to break even or make money on most AAA games due to escalating development costs. AA or indie games can usually do well under a subscription service, but I think high budget AAA games could be another story which would therefore lead to them having to trim down the production costs which can affect their quality.
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
It all depends on critical mass. If Sony had enough subscribers, those games and more would easily be funded on a subscription model. The better the AAA games, the more subscribers, it could potentially feed itself into a frenzy.
bender
What time is it?
And uninstalled.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
It's stuff like Darktide, Lego skywalker saga, TMNT:Shredders Revenge, Deathloop, Persona 5 Royale. I mean just there that pretty much covers my $120 a year subscription. Plus games I haven't played before like MK11, Injustice 2, Assasins Creed Odyssey and Origins.
Then there is stuff like Donut Country that are great and I would never buy. Then stuff like Gang beasts or I Am Fish that my kids want to play for a bit, not enough to get your money's worth from buying .
bender
What time is it?
Check out Rainbow Billy for your kids. It's Paper Mario but even more wholesome.
Rendered Tangent
Banned
Ultimately, choice is everything.
Game Pass offers me the chance to play games I may otherwise have ignored or not necessarily felt strongly enough about to buy.
The real value of Game Pass is if you have multiple people using it - namely family members, and particularly younger children.
Buying dozens of full AAA titles every year is fine if you are doing well and have enough free time to indulge your hobby.
Not everyone is, especially at the moment.
Being able to try, and then play to completion, a ton of new games from within an extensive library of titles is a good thing for the customer.
If it doesn't interest you, if you don't see any games you like, or you have some strange idea that it means you are acting like a "poor person", then don't use it.
(Games I've tried, replayed, and/or completed on GP in the last year or so)
Lego Star Wars Skywalker Saga
Forza 4 and 5
Sniper Elite 5
Dishonored 2
Prey
Deathloop
Gears 5
Dead Cells
Fallout 4
Fallout 76
Mortal Shell
Skyrim
Sunset Overdrive
Yakuza 6
Crackdown 3
Hades
Back 4 Blood
Psychonauts 2
Halo Infinite + Halo 3
The Gunk
World War Z
Dirt 5
Those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head - and if I had bought each one at release for full retail I'd have been looking at £900 give or take...whereas I think GP has cost me about £100 across that same 18-24 month time period by using a few tricks and deals etc...
Yes, I don't own the games...but I can always buy them if I feel that strongly.
Game Pass offers me the chance to play games I may otherwise have ignored or not necessarily felt strongly enough about to buy.
The real value of Game Pass is if you have multiple people using it - namely family members, and particularly younger children.
Buying dozens of full AAA titles every year is fine if you are doing well and have enough free time to indulge your hobby.
Not everyone is, especially at the moment.
Being able to try, and then play to completion, a ton of new games from within an extensive library of titles is a good thing for the customer.
If it doesn't interest you, if you don't see any games you like, or you have some strange idea that it means you are acting like a "poor person", then don't use it.
(Games I've tried, replayed, and/or completed on GP in the last year or so)
Lego Star Wars Skywalker Saga
Forza 4 and 5
Sniper Elite 5
Dishonored 2
Prey
Deathloop
Gears 5
Dead Cells
Fallout 4
Fallout 76
Mortal Shell
Skyrim
Sunset Overdrive
Yakuza 6
Crackdown 3
Hades
Back 4 Blood
Psychonauts 2
Halo Infinite + Halo 3
The Gunk
World War Z
Dirt 5
Those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head - and if I had bought each one at release for full retail I'd have been looking at £900 give or take...whereas I think GP has cost me about £100 across that same 18-24 month time period by using a few tricks and deals etc...
Yes, I don't own the games...but I can always buy them if I feel that strongly.
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Fredrik
Member
I don’t know, I’m currently paying for 1 game per year to have access to hundreds of games. I honestly don’t understand the reasoning to not jump in.
If the subscription price would increase later on and I wouldn’t want to subscribe anymore I could buy the games I still want to keep playing at a discounted price.
I don’t see the downsides.
As long as I plan to play more than 1 game per year it’s going to be cheaper to use a subscription.
And as long as I use a subscription I’m going to play more than 1 game per year.
It’s a win-win scenario however I look at it.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Yeah. It really depends on how many subscribers and how much they are actually paying for the subscriptions. I just can’t see a subscription service working well for something like GTA6 or Witcher 4 unless like you said, there’s a plethora of subscribers. For the publishers, I would imagine selling games for $20-$70 would be more profitable as opposed to a subscription service, but then again subscription services could be more profitable for certain games that don’t have mass appeal. I think there’s room for both.
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Rendered Tangent
Banned
Your reasoning is sound.
Imru’ al-Qays
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Gamepass is $5/month?
Fredrik
Member
Using prepayment and XBL to GP conversion, yeah, it ends as $5/month. You can get it cheaper but then you need to work for it with Microsoft rewards, I’m too lazy for that.
The regular price is $10/month, $15/month for Ultimate, iirc.
Same thing on Playstation where I prepaid for PSNow which was converted to PS+ Premium, it ends as $5/month.
The regular price is $10/month, $15/month for Premium, iirc.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
There could be, even now with gamepass there is a split between the purchase customers and the subs.
The one huge thing about companies like MS and Sony, is that if they can get and maintain enough subs, a lot of the risk on the AAA games disappears.
Before - say you fund 10 games at a cost of $80 Million each, that's $800 million in costs. With the traditional model, you have to cover these cost with sales, sometimes great, sometimes not so great.
After - with a sub service, you already know you are bringing in lets say 3 billion a year (supposedly this is what MS brought in in 2021 for gamepass), you know these cost are covered. The only thing you need to maintain is quality to a point where gamers still want to subscribe. (so there is still incentive to create great games, think Netflix or Disney plus, if they have no great shows, they lose subs.......)
That's why I don't buy the notion that quality would suffer. Poor quality will equal lost subs in the long run. Some people like to think this would be ignored, MS would have been our of business years ago if they thought poor quality games would drive any business, purchase or subscriptions based. Even if they failed at times, the goal of great games was still there. In fact it's why they are trying to buy more developers, to bring more AAA games to both sales and subscriptions.
"People who talk about quality dont have a clue about the industry. "
And got colored from metacritics fancy stupid words.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
i wouldn't have judged since i used to and still sometimes play roblox.... but there's no reason that kid shouldn't be all about VR. you gotta make him use that quest 2 more
ShadyAcshuns
Member
I kind of agree, as I get more out of subbing and playing the games without spending $60 - $70 per game on titles that likely will have no resale value in the future, or hold any collecting value.
Now a days I mostly just buy Switch games, while subbing/renting PS5 and XSX titles.
Now a days I mostly just buy Switch games, while subbing/renting PS5 and XSX titles.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Exactly. How good game pass and ps plus extra is, is undeniable.
I would love to know what games re considered good. Like what you only played god of war, and gran turismo 7 all year?
Ps plus extra is awesome too. I ended up buying three years of that this year, and I'm hoping for Sony to improve their service and make an announcement like big games will come to the service after one year. Then I'll just wait on anything that's not as monumental as god of war level.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
i completely forgot about that game, a shame too since it was so fucking good from what i played of it. Think 2d max payne.
now i gotta add it to my steam wishlist for later. all the other games you listed too are hardly 'retreads' as much as they are new innovative ideas.
they are superior. So many of the so called 'retreads' are far superior than what we got in the 90s. If you examined how these games work mechanically and understood their gameplay better you'd be able to comprehend why modern indies just work better.
but more importantly, what the fuck makes you think this? so many indies I can think of are incredibly original and fun, especially these days when they've grown in popularity. If anything, I find it hard to think of indie 'retreads' from the 90s that don't have a unique take on the formula. Freedom Planet and Spark the Electric Jester add more combat possibilities to Sonic. Pizza Tower is Wario mixed with cocaine and Sonic. Crosscode is Zelda ALTTP with an RPG twist and far better combat/ranged combat mechanics. Also much better puzzles. Superhot shouldn't need to be explained, any gameplay of the game should tell you why it's amazing. Hollow Knight is a more combat focused version of SOTN and other Igavanias of the time. Both Undertale and Deltarune practically flip JRPGs on their head. Ultrakill is Quake but with more weapon combos and potential. so on so forth.
You'd have to be straight crazy to say that these so called 'retreads' are not better than their classics or at the very least more unique enough to stand on its own as a great game.
Honestly... statements like this are exactly why I want GAF to go more indepth into the games they love or hate. If people better understood the mechanics of the games that they play so much they'd be able to explain their opinion better, or come out having a completely different perspective on the so called beloved classics that are heralded a lot on this forum
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OuterLimits
Member
The subscription services certainly have their positive points. However, PS+ Premium is a complete waste of money. People actually celebrating Sony putting Ridge Racer 2 on the service is laughable. Took them 6 months to finally add one decent PSP game. Wow, great job Sony.
TLZ
Banned
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
You think a physical games library for any system that isn’t the Switch has any value in 2022?
Your physical games are a bunch of obsolete data as soon as the first patch lands, which is often on the very day of release. When the game is actually on the disc and that piece of plastic you attribute some value to isn’t just a glorified installer, that is.
Most people don’t replay games anyway, so the value of a game you’ve payed for in full is hardly more than that of a game you’ve played through a subscription service and will never play again.
Owning games has no value anymore.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
then you're either blind or you gotta broaden your horizons because a shitton of GAFers have found a lot of great games in the year 2022 alone. also.... i've yet to see how gamepass has 'trash' or is 'fodder' when Gamepass has some genuinely really good games on it, the value is great for people who have just gotten into gaming. Unless you're willing to say that older elder scrolls games, doom games, indie RPGs, etc are all 'fodder' and trash, in that case you have terrible taste
yes. a lot of the games on gamepass are not shit.
look i am not trying to convince you to subscribe to gamepass or PS plus or any of that shit, but you can't walk in here acting like you have 0 fucking idea why anyone cares about subscription services when there's a whole thread dedicated to gamepass and multiple games that I & many other people have bought and enjoyed thanks to experience from the service. It doesn't make you sound any different from the dipshit
Captain Toad
who walked in here and called everyone who subbed to them stupid and poor.
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MacReady13
Member
How about you exercise a little self control and only purchase games you truly want? No one says you need to buy 10 games a fucking week champ! Buy what you can afford and stick with that 1 game. Helps keep the back catalogue smaller and you can enjoy games so much more.
MacReady13
Member
Got some stats on that do you? I replay games a fair bit. My kids do as well. So do most of my mates. In fact, most of my online friends tend to play the same games for weeks on end…
As for your argument against physical games. Don’t buy them if you attribute no value to them. I love the boxes. Love the fact I own my games. Happy to give back to the devs for some hard earned work.
MacReady13
Member
But you don’t need to buy games day and date they come out! Both online stores for PS5 and series consoles have great deals! Just waiting a month or 2 can yield some great savings! Self control is something many of you on here need to learn how to use.