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Sony Wants To Grow PlayStation By Making Xbox Smaller, Phil Spencer Says

Flutta

Banned
Lmao that’s basically what you’re trying to do by buying up Act and Bethesda to make PlayStation smaller. 🤣

Maybe learn how to manage your Studios better so you don’t have to be so damn desperate with these aquisiitions. How long has this mouth piece been the head of the green rats? The Xbone days? Srs i don’t remember a singel game under his leadership that stands out. Mattrick did a much better job then this clown that people worship for some weird ass reason. Disgusting!
 
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Liamario

Banned
Phil’s right. That wasn’t the full quote. He went on to say, Xbox’s vision of gaming is different. Xbox wants the whole industry to grow, giving people more options and access to games.

It’s clear Sony just wants people on PlayStation hardware. Although they have been moving games slowly to PC, and not day one.
Well then why isn't halo on PlayStation?

It seems to me that Microsoft's own studios can't compete against Sony's. So rather than solving that problem by investment, they decide to buy whole 3rd party publishers to keep those games from Sony.

Surely Microsoft who want games everywhere shouldn't have any console exclusive games. Because to do so would be counter to their alleged goal.
 
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jm89

Member
Well then why isn't halo on PlayStation?
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I don't like MS's approach to growing the market through consolidation and acquisition of publishers and franchises, but that's not quite true. (Well, if you skip the "permanently" part, at least.) Final Fantasy XVI & Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Star Wars KOTOR Remake, the Marvel Spider-Man and Wolverine characters (developed internally, but still, those used to be platform-agnostic brands,) new series by 3rd Parties like Square's Forespoken and Tecmo Koei's Rise of Ronin, and big indies (which may be timed exclusives) like Stray and Kena Bridge of Spirits, plus Deathloop and Ghostwire in their time.

There's differences in approach. (And from my vantage point, most of these exclusives or timed-exclusives have been smart business decisions on the makers, as they got whatever money and marketing push from Sony but also just fit the audience interests well; same for Xbox titles like The Ascent and Tunic and PSO2 and the Forza Horizon Hot Wheels deals which were right for Xbox gamers and maybe the brands as a whole.) However, it's not the same entertainment market as it was in the past, and new times call for new approaches. I begrudgingly have to admit that MS's acquisition may be the more important business approach in view of Disney and other corporations consolidating brands. MS is planning for what's beyond these single boxes housing all their products.
MS is on a buying spree to buy existing companies that were the middle ground of gaming, they mostly made games for all viable platforms out there. They intend to eventually make all or most of these games away from gamers on competing ecosystem.

In the case of Activision this is a giant number of games franchises, Bethesda was pretty significant in and of itself. The reasons are clear as day, MS wants to push their MS account login everywhere, forcing

I don't think anyone ever complained too much about the existing system of exclusivity (ok well, there was to a degree, from all sides), everyone understands that can happen (hellblade started on ps3)... But that never happened to the degree where a platform owner got out and bought something like Bethesda (pretty big deal) then Activision.

Now MS are there on Twitter offering deals for stuff that's not even theirs to trade yet. Can you imagine how they will use their leverage after they buy ea and ubi? They're certainly not about to bring games to more gamers, that makes no sense. If that was their intent they would ship games from their current studios on other platforms--as opposed to buying tons of studios to make multiplat games that were already in development exclusives.
 

ProtoByte

Member
Says the guy who's essentially locked the entire WRPG genre from PlayStation.

"They have a very different view of the industry than we do. They don't ship their games day and date on PC, they don't put their games into subscription when they launch their games."
And thank fuck for that. None of this nonsense actually increases the audience for gaming. It's just getting more registrations, scraping revenue from the bottom of the barrel, and trying to gain marketshare whilst devaluing the actual games. None of this has worked for Microsoft, why should anyone else take this on?

Even the things Sony has done that stray away from traditionalism don't benefit the consumer, not really. Microsoft just wants to change the nature of the game because they are unable to compete. This, despite having the financial resources of a trillion dollar company that the closest thing to an actual monopoly in a completely seperate market.

Christ, the arrogant lack of self awareness.
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
Big whoop, a year or less of exclusivity isn't the same thing. All of the Zenimax moneyhats were small new IPs. They didn't try to moneyhat the next Elder Scrolls.

All you lost was a few months to a year.
A year maybe before but sony keeps pushing and pushing. Still dont see ff7 r on the xbox thats been a year or kena.

Hard to money hat a game not in development. They got deathloop, ghost wire tokyo and about to close star field. If sony wants to money hat like that i don't have issues with Microsoft fighting back buying publishers.

 

akimbo009

Gold Member
A year maybe before but sony keeps pushing and pushing. Still dont see ff7 r on the xbox thats been a year or kena.

Hard to money hat a game not in development. They got deathloop, ghost wire tokyo and about to close star field. If sony wants to money hat like that i don't have issues with Microsoft fighting back buying publishers.


Yeah, I almost hope MS just keeps buying developers and publishers just to see Sony cry more. The hypocracy is entertaining.
 

ProtoByte

Member
In the history of Indiana Jones, the franchise has never been a system seller.

Could this game get the Spider-Man effect that Insomniac had? Sure, but it's a huge leap to think that's what's going to happen. Especially from the makers of Wolfenstein.

Indiana Jones doesn't have the resonance, especially in gaming that Uncharted and Tomb Raider have.

My point is, it's not the flex you think it is.
Spider-Man himself isn't an inherent flex either.

It is true that Spider-Man and Marvel IP generally have a higher ceiling for gaming than Indiana Jones ever will. It's also true that IP has a very low floor in gaming, no matter what it is. After years of bad licensing conceived as money grabs, people are conditioned to stay as far away from IP games if they're anything less than great. The branding is actually much more likely to hurt the game than help it. As recently proven with The Avengers apocalyptic failure, despite being developed by a studio that had recently released 2 blockbuster Tomb Raider title; and with Guardians of The Galaxy. A decent game that wasn't good enough to supercede its poor marketing and Avengers' bad leftover taste.

Ironically, Insomniac's Spider-Man proves why true blue exclusives are good for the industry. It's not a juggernaut because of the brand. Many Spider-Man games before it outright flopped, despite some of them being decent games. The money, time, tools and guidance Sony provided to Insomniac, who wouldn't have had access to the IP without PlayStation going to them after being approached by Marvel, summed up to a high quality game that otherwise wouldn't have existed in the same form.

And remember: Marvel didn't just go to Sony about licensing their IP. They also went to Microsoft, who turned them down. Also note that the only reason Xbox now has Indiana Jones coming its way exclusively is because Microsoft gobbled up Bethesda.
 
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Quezacolt

Member
Man, Phil is so full of BS nowadays.

He seemed like a cool guy when he become the boss at the xbox division. But in what way has he really improved the brand?
Only real good thing, imo, is the BC. Everything else seems to be about subscriptions, or the cloud.
Why would i get an xbox over any other console? For 3rd party, i have sony and nintendo. The few 1st party games that interest me from MS are back on the OG xbox, the 360, and the few good ones from the xbone and the series consoles are on pc too.
Buying studios doesnt change the fact that they dont know how to lead those studios. And they have proved that many times already.

Sony and Nintendo also have issues, and many practices i might dislike, but you know what they do well? Games.
They have amazing 1st party teams, and they know how to work with 3rd party studios to make great exclusives. They know the games are the most important thing to attract people to your platform.
Did any MS exclusive appear at the game award? Did any receive any award at all? Hell, what have they doing this entire year? Promoting Game Pass and trying to buy studios, because that's the only thing they seem to know how to do, instead of improving the studios they already have

They are lucky that forza has been constantly good, because they have been dropping the ball with everything else, and Phil should be ashamed of that.
 

SSfox

Member
" They don't ship their games day and date on PC, they don't put their games into subscription when they launch their games."

Wait what???

Like WTF???

Just go fuck yourself Phil!! Keep doing you shit on your Xbox, and stop talking about the other brands that are doing their job.
 

XXL

Member
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Xbox needs to shut the fuck up, put out some fucking games, give us some release dates and show us some trailers with some fucking gameplay. These guys are actually pissing me off lately. They need to get some shit going, now.
 
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Gavon West

Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
" They don't ship their games day and date on PC, they don't put their games into subscription when they launch their games."

Wait what???

Like WTF???

Just go fuck yourself Phil!! Keep doing you shit on your Xbox, and stop talking about the other brands that are doing their job.
He's right. What's the issue? I'm confused ...
 

Elios83

Member
He's basically projecting what he's trying to do to Playstation using the financial power of his company.
They have more studios than Sony how about managing them properly and release great games as a strategy to grow their brand? As proved by the early 360 days and by Sony's own success it works and without monopolistic tricks.
 

Gavon West

Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
He's basically projecting what he's trying to do to Playstation using the financial power of his company.
They have more studios than Sony how about managing them properly and release great games as a strategy to grow their brand? As proved by the early 360 days and by Sony's own success it works and without monopolistic tricks.
Tell me you don't know what monopoly means without telling me you don't know what monopoly means. Lol
 

ProtoByte

Member
He's basically projecting what he's trying to do to Playstation using the financial power of his company.
They have more studios than Sony how about managing them properly and release great games as a strategy to grow their brand? As proved by the early 360 days and by Sony's own success it works and without monopolistic tricks.
They're frustrated because they can't just throw money around and win. It takes a lot more than that.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
And people believe Phill "we all play" bs.
Fuck gamepass and service gaming. Pay for everything and own nothing.
Jim is a business guy but at least he speaks plainly. Not a fan of him either but Phill is so transparent, I am amazed people eat his crap up
 

SSfox

Member
He's right. What's the issue? I'm confused ...
Welp right or not it's subjectif. He should STFU and focus on his brand and stop giving advices to other companies on how they do their shit, specially in the case where the other companies are doing much more and better than his own (and by spending way less).

He has so much time to nonsensical blablah with crying and whining over Sony's success all day, but none for actual concrete stuffs.
 
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Solidus_T

Member
Damning statement by Phil, and by that I mean it's an admission by projection
First, the FTC, EU, and CMA are not Sony.
Second, what was he busy doing with all of this time and the publishers he purchased rather than just making games with studios MS purchased?
 
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