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it's official: tweets will be sunk to the bottom unless author pays subscription
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Vicetrailia
Member
lol exactly.For $8 a month, I could:
Get Disney Plus, and watch a bunch Star Wars, Marvel, and classic Disney content.
Get Hulu, and watch a bunch of movies and television programs.
Get Twitter, and watch a bunch of people call each other racists and degenerates.
We are already paying for so much shit anyway, Twitter isn’t that important.
gaming_again
Member
I disagree in that it only takes or or two mentally ill people whipping things up on Twitter to affect real change. Corporations take Twitter extremely seriously (because it is the platform of choice for the institutional class)..
Look at, for example, an Asian restaurant that was shut down over the screeching of some online whack job who had like 100 followers. If the Twitter brigade turn against you, unless you are willing to make that your entire identity, your life could be over.
I don’t think any cultural force has been as powerful as Twitter is in all of human history. In this respect, Musk has picked himself up a bargain.
a multicultural team of v
Member
I wouldn't think so. As I posted above, it is likely they are referring to replies which I don't think there is any way to currently sort chronologically - they have always been algo driven. But who knows, Elon is clearly doing this shit on the fly by the seat of his pants so it could end up being anything at this point. It is going to be super interesting to see how this all plays out.
ManaByte
Gold Member
They’re flocking to a dead site.
gaming_again
Member
If the institutional collective on Twitter decided to that the war in Ukraine had to end tomorrow, it would end tomorrow.
Every western leader is obsessed with Twitter.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Mastodon isn't dead... it was fine before the current events and will be fine after.
gaming_again
Member
Btw the drama in Japan has been amazing. Musk fired the lot of them and overnight the trending topics switched from the usual cultural and political nonsense to being made up entirely of manga, games and pop music. It turns out that people simply enjoy - and always have enjoyed - chatting about the things that make them happy.
Maybe the rot stops here?
Maybe the rot stops here?
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GymWolf
Member
Especially when one of the options is fucking disney channel
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natjjohn
Member
Outside of being dumb, seems just as likely bots and spam pay the $8 to get seen. Not that I’m a comment reader to begin with but I’m expecting a lot more crypto comments to be at the top
Vicetrailia
Member
Was. I don’t know what the alternative will be though.
Right and $8 isn’t much for a propaganda network to invest in. And you’ll still see bots everywhere in the comments and literally everywhere especially if there aren’t enough people paying and creating content.
AmuroChan
Member
Bots will still exist, but it would be very difficult to get them verified. It's not just paying the $8. You also need to provide a government issued ID + other legal documentation.
I doubt 1 bot is worth 8 dollars. Also as I understand it, the current verification rules will still apply except for the notable section. https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/about-twitter-verified-accounts
AmuroChan
Member
And unlike in the previous regime where you can get around the rules by making backdoor deals with individual Twitter employees, that's not going to fly anymore.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Not in the new system.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It not? I dont have a twitter account, but I checked it. Since it's open up now, I just checked a Maple Leafs post and all the tweets are chronological (by the first reply, not replies of replies).
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Twitter +
AmuroChan
Member
I guess we'll see if verified bots become a problem. Rules and requirements can always be changed. I'm not expecting every issue to be rectified right away. Twitter under the previous leadership was a hot mess. It's going to take some time to turn this boat around.
Whitecrow
Banned
Remember that 'stop making stupid people famous'?
Well, this is not gonna stop it but at least it tries.
8 bucks honestly is a shitty fee for letting anyones opinion heard. If I was Elon, I would put it to something that hurts, over 30 bucks or more.
If twitter gets destroyed, that would be a win.
Well, this is not gonna stop it but at least it tries.
8 bucks honestly is a shitty fee for letting anyones opinion heard. If I was Elon, I would put it to something that hurts, over 30 bucks or more.
If twitter gets destroyed, that would be a win.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Not for musk tho...
Mistake
Member
Well that’s good. I know a lot of Japanese artists left the site after getting harassed for whiter skin tones and such, when actually it’s just a cultural thing
Dural
Member
Yeah, I don't understand the posters being on the side of the blue checkmarks. This doesn't affect 99% of the users on Twitter, as always it's that 1% screaming and yelling.
cash_longfellow
Gold Member
Every third post is an advertisement.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They're oh so oppressed.
LegendOfKage
Member
That's only sort of true. You know when you were a little kid and your Mom or Dad said "you're going into your room right now, and you're not coming out until you say you're sorry!" Well, Twitter treats adults that way. They're free to return to the platform if they delete the tweet that got them banned. If they do so, they're admitting that the tweet violated their rules, was wrong of them to say, and that they won't say it again. That's not reading into things either, as that's the sort of "agreement" that appears on the screen when you go to delete the tweet.
It's basically ideological blackmail that asks people to renounce their own beliefs.
For the record, I don't have any of them, because "just $8 a month" adds up, and also a little bit because of what you said, especially with Disney. I still think it sounded funny, though.
I do get the upsides, but I can't get on board with this. The promise was that twitter would still be free, but you could pay for a better experience. That's fine, and I support that. I was hoping he'd add all sorts of great new features, and lock some or even most of them behind a subscription. Good idea, and they can even use some of that money to pay creators.
But I can't get behind people not seeing your tweets unless you pay. That's not a "you can still use twitter just like you did before" situation. Free speech shouldn't be divided by haves and have nots.
Maybe make the default view most recent tweets from anyone, but give subscribers an option to instead display verified users first. If it was opt-in, I think I'd be more comfortable with that. Not a lot of people would do it. Still not sure even that is a good idea, though. I think he needs to find away to fight bots and spam without requiring payment to be seen.
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Putonahappyface
Member
Toons
Banned
Ha ha ha. Get fucked Elon
No way in hell I’m paying to use that hellsite. He’s going to bury the fucking thing completely if he does this.
This whole buyout thing may go down as one of the worst business decisions of all time.
Its become very clear he has no idea how to run a place like Twitter and is in way over his head.
dr_octagon
Banned
Anonymity is not an inherently bad thing.
Paying to access services of value is fine but establishing a trusted, public, worldwide forum open to all does not align with having a subscription paywall.
Paying to access services of value is fine but establishing a trusted, public, worldwide forum open to all does not align with having a subscription paywall.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
He does seem incredibly thin skinned. More so than I think anyone thought.
Toons
Banned
I have like .00000000000002 the amount of money he has and even i csn take heat on the internet better than he can
You'd think all the money and security would make him a little more resilient but I guess not
LegendOfKage
Member
As far as I'm aware, he's only banned people for impersonating him. I would think that no impersonating other users has likely been a twitter rule for years now. People seemed to go really quickly from being concerned that their accounts could be impersonated without consequence, to being really upset that account impersonations had consequences.
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Thaedolus
Gold Member
He set up a rule that parody accounts must be labeled as such, so Ethan Klein followed that rule and made fun of him and he got whacked.
LegendOfKage
Member
I'd give you that Musk's rule was vague and poorly explained, but if you're not changing your Twitter name to something like "Elon Musk (parody)" then you're still going to appear in every tweet that isn't on your actual twitter page as the person you're "parodying." Klein added a note to his bio, which isn't anything people see when he's replying.
The funny thing about all of this is that it's not a new system Musk put into place. If people used their verified accounts this way six months ago, I'm sure the result would have been the same. As I said before, hit pieces will be written criticizing Twitter for problems that always existed with the site. It seems like I was right.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Free Speech*
*Speech is not actually free. Pay me.
*Speech is not actually free. Pay me.
Mistake
Member
True. Given how twitter works, it wasn’t obvious. Also, Klein made a lot of posts that were closer to defamation than simply being a joke.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
It's how parody accounts always worked, info in bio.
strange headache
Banned
These issues have always plagued the platform and are the primary reason why it is such a sh*tshow in the first place. Twitter should never have become a digital platform for societal dialogue. The people scapegoating Musk are merely angry that these issues are now also affecting their cronies. Trying to fix Twitter's problems is like squaring the circle. I'm just glad that Musk is finally bringing awareness to the dangers that these social media platforms present to civil discourse and solidarity.
Mistake
Member
I get that, but he was using his verified status on top of it. If he wasn’t verified, it probably wouldn’t have mattered as much
LegendOfKage
Member
Right, which is why I said if this would have happened six months ago, this would have been the same result. It's just that six months ago a bunch of verified blue checks didn't have a desire to rebel against the site and abuse their verified status.
dr_octagon
Banned
Gaf should charge per gif.
If I had a dollar for every gif I posted, I would be in the wrong country.
If I had a dollar for every gif I posted, I would be in the wrong country.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
So much irony from when we had a Politics board. Thick.
nush
Gold Member
I'm sure that people think Elon is personally sitting there banning people and not, you know the mods.
No they went to Tiktok instead.
As for Twitter, I reckon it will be the same when Rupert Murdoch brought MySpace in which the platform will slowly die.
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