Oof85
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My guy, what are you talking about? Nothing I said in that post is about ROP nor is it crapping on anything.
Me n another poster are just debating differing takes on political involvement in the capitol.
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Me n another poster are just debating differing takes on political involvement in the capitol.
Oof85
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Oh this is definitely based on a novel iirc. TPATQ.
PaddyOCanager
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His love for family superseded the needs of the kingdom. While sympathetic, his actions are going to cost thousands of innocent lives. He told Rhaenyra to do her duty, but he failed to live that call himself. If he was a strong king, the succession of the throne wouldn't be in question, and we wouldn't have a show to watch. His weak rule divided the kingdom, and everyone is just waiting for him to die so they make their move.
I disagree, he wasn't weak, he took a decision to name his daughter the heir, and stood by that decision, nobody could stand against him and any of his decisions it shows thay he still hold power, he changed the hand, a strong one and went with that.
Just keeping the kingdoms in peace shows he was a strong king
DeepEnigma
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Punished Legolas.
Oof85
Member
Nah, he definitely flubbed it.
Either he should've just said no to remarriage after Aemma died and locked Rhaenyra in as his heir or he should've moved her out the way once he got more children from Alicent.
What he did do was ensure the odds of a succession crisis, as he's overturning millenia of tradition but giving those unhappy with said changes claimants to rally around.
No claimants no fuss.
I do understand that his throne was one or two deaths away from going to House Velaryon but you can't have it both ways.
He wasn't a terrible king himself, but the actions he took set the stage for what will follow.
Kinda like Robert Baratheon in that sense, outside of his overspending but we put an asterisk on that one as we know Baelish is cooking the books heavily.
Robert didn't plunge the realm into needless war, didn't legitimize a bunch of bastard children, just partied and whored his way to death.
But his refusal to stifle the Lannister presence and rot in the capitol, take the small council and purge it and stubborn rejection of his brothers meant it was wildfire in a cask resting on a needle.
Viserys like Robert was a poor king who should've done much more for his realm.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And shrunk right back up the minute uncle stepped forward at the dinner.
Thaedolus
Member
I’ll say it again, Daemon’s the fuckin man
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
Kind of a game recognize game moment
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Ah, yes. The Princess and the Queen. A short novella that was part of an anthology collection. Although, I thought this show was based more on Fire and Blood?
Either way, good show so far.
The only negative about the show is that it makes me pine for The Winds of Winter even more. I started reading ASOIAF back in 2000. 22 years later and there are still two books to be released. This show will probably wrap up by the time ADOS comes out, that is if it ever comes out at all
If I can fault Viserys in anything in this, it was failing to lock in the Helaena/Jac marriage, or really just being willfully blind to the nature of her kids and telling her to shack up with a Velaryon-adjacent dark skinned guy at the very least. Hell, Corlys would probably step up if asked!
Viserys articulates his decision numerous times. Lords bent the knee and pledged allegiance to Rhaenyra. Agreeing to bring back Otto was a misstep but not a fatal one if Rhaenyra moves quickly. He really should have tied his sons to other roles though, so they had purpose beyond being trust fund babies.
AJUMP23
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struggler_guts
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My friend just sent me this about that scene with viserys and daemon in the last episode
https://www.thegamer.com/house-of-the-dragon-crown-fall-moment-not-scripted/
“The crown fell off of Paddy's head and Matt picked it up and we just kept going. We didn't stop [filming],” Patel explained.
https://www.thegamer.com/house-of-the-dragon-crown-fall-moment-not-scripted/
“The crown fell off of Paddy's head and Matt picked it up and we just kept going. We didn't stop [filming],” Patel explained.
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Banjo64
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Great episode. Just finished it. The whole dinner scene was fantastic. Daemon executing the King’s justice with Dark Sister was unbelievable. Otto with the ‘disarm him!’ afterwards, who the fuck is going to disarm him? Aemond with the top tier backhand shithousery describing his nephews as ‘strong boys’. This is all setting itself up rather nicely.
Aemond with the top tier backhand shithousery describing his nephews as ‘strong boys’. This is all setting itself up rather nicely.
AJUMP23
Member
So true it hurts me.
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
Yeah... I like Aemond Targaryen.
Dr.Morris79
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Dr.Morris79
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DeepEnigma
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That was some divine filming intervention. Sealed the deal for me on Team Daemon till the end.
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Thaedolus
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It actually felt that genuine. Both actors have been just fantastic.
DeepEnigma
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geary
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You forgot Otto...For me it's on the level of Littlefinger and Varys. Hope in S2 will have more screen time.
The Problem with this idea is if Rhaenyra got killed his heritage is gone, he wanted to make sure that he had another sons and daughters to keep his line, now the other part if he named Aegon it will start a war immediately as this decision will Move Rhaenyra to her allies, and as the show showed us she knows the game and knows how to play it.
No, Robert was a Soldier not a Ruler or King he was bad king, What made his era peaceful is he came after rebellion the situation was still stabilizing after the rebellion, Also to his credit he made good alignment with all the parties, He married the Lanister girl, his comrade married the Tully, Maybe the Martils are the only ones with no arrangements due to what Tyon did to the Capital and their daughter.
But to me the difference is the actions, Veserys actions decisions were to held the peace, Where Robert had no effect or was just winning and stabilizing the Raelm with fear and blood.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Otto has like 3 expressions. I will give you that he is someone to hate similar to Joff and Ramsey from GoT, but he is dwarfed by the others.
JimmyF
Member
He will unleash his true power by wearing 2 eye patches!
Thaedolus
Member
He rides Vhagar. He maybe has some reason to strut about. Let’s hope they saved some CG budget
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Was reading an article on LOTR being too slow and it reminded me of how fast this show moves despite most episodes being tailored around one event. I wonder if thats why it doesnt feel rushed like the last two seasons of GoT. The show's timeline moves but the characters and events are given room to breathe and you arent time traveling from the Wall to Dragonstone back to the Wall in a matter of 15 minutes.
Looking back, The first season of GoT was very similar. It felt like something big happened in every episode. Jaime pushes Bran out the window after the shocking incest reveal in the first episode. Bran almost gets assasinated in the 2nd episode. Then Ned quits as Hand followed by his fight with Jaime which sets up Tyrion's capture and trial by combat, and by Episode 7, Ned figures out the kids born of incest and confronts Cersei. IIRC, Robret dies in like the 6th episode and LF betrays Ned in the 7th setting up the now iconic Episode 9. Even Dany's storyline has so much happen. She loses her husband, her brother, her child, almost gets assassinated and gets her dragons. In one season. What a phenomenal season of TV that was.
Looking back, The first season of GoT was very similar. It felt like something big happened in every episode. Jaime pushes Bran out the window after the shocking incest reveal in the first episode. Bran almost gets assasinated in the 2nd episode. Then Ned quits as Hand followed by his fight with Jaime which sets up Tyrion's capture and trial by combat, and by Episode 7, Ned figures out the kids born of incest and confronts Cersei. IIRC, Robret dies in like the 6th episode and LF betrays Ned in the 7th setting up the now iconic Episode 9. Even Dany's storyline has so much happen. She loses her husband, her brother, her child, almost gets assassinated and gets her dragons. In one season. What a phenomenal season of TV that was.
I think the key here is proper writing. A show can be fast paced or slow, but if there are no emotional beats that RING TRUE, if events don't have proper set up and foreshadowing, and transitions seem arbitrary and lack a sense of space, it all falls down. Look at RoP, Wheel of Time, or the later GoT seasons and sure things happen but there is no set-up, no payoff, and walking up stairs as the exact same emotional weight as two brothers finally fighting to the death, which is to say, none. Or a flight of dragons wings around an island and inexplicably one is killed by ballista so abrubtly and almost comically that it robs the audience of anticipation and vestment in the outcome.
So these shows live or die based on what they choose to SHOW, what they just TELL, and how well they balance the two.
So these shows live or die based on what they choose to SHOW, what they just TELL, and how well they balance the two.
It's very well said, particularly nice to call out the Aemma actress.
I always like it when a character actor gets a career defining role like this.
Very upset though that he completely dismisses my Lady Alicent for standing by his decaying carcass for decades #TeamGreen
Ammogeddon
Member
I won’t lie, that’s a pretty moving post. It’s really cool he gave such a succinct insight about his mindset when taking on Viserys. It adds another dimension to the character for sure.
Paddy is a real treasure and criminally underrated. I remember watching Dead Man’s Shoes when it came out all those years ago. He gave a great performance in that too.
Lee-Sensei
Neo Member
Massive respect to Vaemond for telling the truth at the cost of his life.
Tieno
Member
The man clearly takes his craft seriously. He put it all into that character:
What a great actor, such an interesting take. It's so fascinating hearing the story of how he made the character his own. This is story telling and acting at its greatest, giving insight into the human condition.
This and Stranger Things are such great shows. You feel the love, skill and craftmanship of the people making it.
What a great actor, such an interesting take. It's so fascinating hearing the story of how he made the character his own. This is story telling and acting at its greatest, giving insight into the human condition.
This and Stranger Things are such great shows. You feel the love, skill and craftmanship of the people making it.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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I can't stop watching that throne room entrance. might just be one of the top 3 scenes for this franchise including all of GoT as well. Holy shit.
Give this man all the awards.
And as someone that had to witness both grandparents on their last few days, their dying moments...this hits too close to home. The way he portrayed a man about to die was just flawless.
The cast around him was also incredibly strong all the way.
This is what GoT is all about. It was always about a great cast acting together. The great VFX was never the most important part of this for me. This is peak early GoT, imo.
Give this man all the awards.
And as someone that had to witness both grandparents on their last few days, their dying moments...this hits too close to home. The way he portrayed a man about to die was just flawless.
The cast around him was also incredibly strong all the way.
This is what GoT is all about. It was always about a great cast acting together. The great VFX was never the most important part of this for me. This is peak early GoT, imo.
Tieno
Member
Same here, I lost my grandmother last month and I saw her a few times during her last days, she was at the end of her 99 year old life, nothing left in her body but pain, she could only stare me in the eyes. It made me extremely uncomfortable because I didn't know anything to do or say.
I listened to a Paddy Considine podcast interview and he references his experience losing his dad to cancer and the way he looked at him, full of fear.
Regarding the throne entrance, he barely looks at anyone until he sees his daughter, the way he looks at her is just beautiful, what a moment.
As ridiculous as that hood looks to us, coming from a place where that silver hair is a dead giveaway and facial recognition by commonfolk who don't see you outside of big tourneys or parades, it makes more sense as a way to travel incognito(ish,) as you'd think the City Watch would make a point to check out sinister guys like this.Not really a spoiler, just an image of an existing character from an upcoming episode without context - but hiding it just in case one doesn't want to see anything:
My boy Aemond has a special hood for committing crimes just like his uncle
They ought to have established that there are randos (i.e. targaryen bastards amongst the common folk) with silver hair though, it will be needed later. Like, are all those black folk around driftmark just Velaryon cousins, illegitimate kids they have accrued over the years, or are there just random clusters of black people in Westeros now? Is the black maester and the council guy related to Velaryons?
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
There were always black people in some parts of Essos, like Lys. Remember Salladhor Saan from GoT? Greyworm, Missandei, etc. That maester could be from there. People traveled between Westeros and Essos all the time. I guess they're just making it so it's canon now that some intermingled into Westerosi society as many Westerosi's tended to move and settle in Essos.
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DeepEnigma
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Hot Fuzz, remember?
