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Intel Arch GPUs review thread

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winjer

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winjer

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Mr Moose said:
How limited is this limited edition?
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Seems like it's very limited, as a few hardware sites didn't get one of the GPUs for testing, because Intel doesn't have enough of them.
If they can't even sample a few dozen reviewers, what chances are there to be enough to sell to consumers.
Seems like this is just another paper launch by Intel. Really pathetic.

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DaGwaphics said:
The reviewers aren't extensively testing the RT performance which is critically important when comparing to the AMD cards.

^ Probably the worst excuse for a video from gamers Nexus that I've seen thanks to that. Maybe we'll get better, more complete reviews from other YT outlets.
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While I agree with you, this made me chuckle because once we get back to nvidia vs amd in the next couple of months this topic (RT worth it etc) is gonna be a hot potato.

edit: of course hardware unboxed benched a bunch of games with RT but didn't use it at all.
 
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So not bad for first try, but not there yet. Especially since AMD offers overall, for what was tested, cheaper cards.

Only one of the three videos included raytracing and none tested XeSS on its native system. Imho a similar "not terrible but inclompete" by the testers thus too, since RT seems to be work pretty well and Xess seems to have been a big deal for intel and is for now by these just ignored. Maybe it helps to propel it above nVidia incl their DLSS counterpart. Or it is like RT at least solid. Testing several games but not essential features feels a bit weird and hasty.

Let's hope drivers mature more and some performance is still hidden and it's not hw that limits already.
But Battlemage and future APU solution should be interesting.

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What's the point of having two different cards performing nearly the same? Perhaps some more context is needed, I haven't watched the reviews yet.
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they produce just two chips, one for 770, 750, and 570 + one for 380 and 310. 750, 570 and 310 are parts that only exist since they would need to be thrown away otherwise and are basically scrap. The same as nVidia and AMD chips that get used for different tiers. 16GB and 8GB though could be a potential hard limit in certain games.
 
Hugare

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Competition is great, and seems like Intel delivered in terms of performance/price ratio

But I wouldn't pick one even for a dollar, because I bet that driver support will be atrocious

The amount of incompatibility problems with older games would also be a headache
 
DaGwaphics

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hlm666 said:
While I agree with you, this made me chuckle because once we get back to nvidia vs amd in the next couple of months this topic (RT worth it etc) is gonna be a hot potato.

edit: of course hardware unboxed benched a bunch of games with RT but didn't use it at all.
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I'm not saying it will be the biggest selling point for a card in this price range. I'm just saying that it took me by surprise that RT was not being heavily covered when this is a new architecture launch and I'm sure viewers would like to get an idea of where Intel stands in comparison to Nvidia/AMD. And for 1080p players RT can be viable on the 3060 so it would be good to see the comparisons.
 
DaGwaphics

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Skifi28 said:
What's the point of having two different cards performing nearly the same? Perhaps some more context is needed, I haven't watched the reviews yet.
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One is a bin of the other. If they just released one card, there would likely be a ton of chips in the trash. They've opted to release a cut down variant to increase output.
 
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DaGwaphics

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LiquidMetal14 said:
Needs more disruptive performance. Not going to knock it completely but it's an ok subpart start.
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If they really want to make waves they would need to match AMD/Nvidia on a card class above their price point. They do that in just a few examples here (coming real close to the 6700XT and 3060ti), but not often enough to be a real disruption. Good to see a new competitor with a reasonable chance at competing.
 
RaZoR No1

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Mr Moose said:
Isn't that the difference between the A770 and A770 LE too, 8 v 16? (And higher memory bandwidth).
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It looks like you are right
You can probably think of them like 6800XT and 6900XT
6900XT is a bit faster but the full spec of the chip.
A750 are probably chips, where the yields were not good enough for A770
 
RaZoR No1

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winjer said:
Intel drivers are really bad. On DX12 and Vulkan, it performs ok.
But then there are complete failures like this.
CS:GO is just one of the most played games in the world.

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I dont get why Intel has that bad drivers.
I mean they had IGPU for more than a decade and alot of people played probably on them too.
I thought they would have any experience from the IGPU time
 
DaGwaphics

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RaZoR No1 said:
I dont get why Intel has that bad drivers.
I mean they had IGPU for more than a decade and alot of people played probably on them too.
I thought they would have any experience from the IGPU time
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The poor performance in legacy titles probably isn't all about the drivers, though they may be able to improve things with the drivers. The bigger issue is that they likely just designed the cards for modern apis only without including things to help support older apis at the expense of modern game performance (they left the baggage behind so to speak). Might be why they get a big boost at higher resolutions and with RT and things like that enabled.
 
winjer

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DaGwaphics said:
The poor performance in legacy titles probably isn't all about the drivers, though they may be able to improve things with the drivers. The bigger issue is that they likely just designed the cards for modern apis only without including things to help support older apis at the expense of modern game performance (they left the baggage behind so to speak). Might be why they get a big boost at higher resolutions and with RT and things like that enabled.
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It's really about the drivers, Intel has already admitted that.
They are basically using a wrapper for older APIs.
 
DaGwaphics

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winjer said:
It's really about the drivers, Intel has already admitted that.
They are basically using a wrapper for older APIs.
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Maybe they can fix it then. When you listen to Intel is seems like they built these cards for DX12+ and Vulcan and anything else is just a bonus that it works at all. LOL
 
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I find it interesting what intel themselves presented here at the timestamp:

There are areas where they absolute dominate nVidia, but a few seconds later they also show that there is stuff where they are obliterated. They don't tell though if this is a hw limit, where they just focused on other parts in their design or if this could actually improve via new drivers, just were not able to unleash it yet. "We have problems here and here", okay, fair to admit it, but is there a solution or is it only solvable with the next generation of their cards?
 
Magic Carpet

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I wish they had bars for PS5 and Series X. But I think the 750 beat the consoles by a smidge.
Building a PC no longer looks like a moon shot from the wallet.
 
LordOfChaos

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The fact that Intel's new implementation is besting AMDs ray tracing performance is pretty embarrassing, AMD RT just hasn't been that good and the whole packing extra into the CUs is intuitively a slower approach than dedicating silicon to it. I think "Pro/.5" consoles this gen will be aimed at bringing RT to full resolution and framerate games rather than making big sacrifices for it that aren't often worth it with the relatively little RT power consoles have.

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Overall, Arc is just ok, it's not really priced to out-AMD AMD and gobble up all the market share, but a decent first effort (though terrible without re-bar), and a few more spins at GPUs and they'll surely be very good at this so I hope they keep at it. With some driver spit shine it may reach closer to the 3060TI in more cases, and in the very best cases maybe even above

DenchDeckard said:
Man, please improve the drivers...and reviewers...Please test the damned raytracing performance.
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GHG

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Not terrible as a first attempt but they really need to work on those drivers ASAP if they are to be taken seriously.

The best case scenario performance is actually better than expected. Rubbing shoulders with a 2070 is impressive.
 
buenoblue

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This price range and performance is really where the market sells most so yeah not bad. I have a 2070 super which is similar in performance and I have had a great 1440p experience, especially paired with a g sync monitor. Does arc support vrr? I assume so. Dlss has really made a difference to do if xess or whatever it's called is widely adopted that's great.
 
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Skifi28

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LordOfChaos said:
The fact that Intel's new implementation is besting AMDs ray tracing performance is pretty embarrassing, AMD RT just hasn't been that good and the whole packing extra into the CUs is intuitively a slower approach than dedicating silicon to it
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I don't know, I've always kinda liked the idea behind their implementation. Granted it hasn't really worked great yet, but dedicating a huge chunk of your gpu for something specific that might not even get used in some cases always bothered me.

I also think they're still playing catch-up on software seeing how ererything RT is made to work on nvidia and AMD is an afterthought. Consoles seem to be doing much better in some cases than equivalent desktop AMD GPUs.
 
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Skifi28 said:
I don't know, I've always kinda liked the idea behind their implementation. Granted it hasn't really worked great yet, but dedicating a huge chunk of your gpu for something specific that might not even get used in some cases always bothered me.

I also think they're still playing catch-up on software seeing how ererything RT is made to work on nvidia and AMD is an afterthought. Consoles seem to be doing much better in some cases than equivalent desktop AMD GPUs.
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You're still paying somewhat with underutilized CUs in raster only, and in less performance. Software tunes did see AMD RT performance improve, but no software is going to bring them into Nvidia league.

It also feels like a chicken egg thing, if RT performance isn't good enough to use without big sacrifices and your market share is smaller, who is going to tailor to your architecture specifically, I think they just have to decide if it's important or not and Nvidia is certainly betting on it being the next big thing, and also do they want to be in a world where Intel is leaning into the value side but also already besting them on RT.
 
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Gudji

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mrMUR_96 said:
DX12/Vulkan performance is solid and the RT is impressive. DX11 or older and it absolutely tanks, looks like it needs a lot more work on the drivers side, but hardware itself is good.
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Yeah that's it. Saw an interview with the lead architect where they talked about that stuff and they know they have a lot of work to do driver side, etc.

Raytracing and XeSS look pretty interesting to me. Excited to see what they can do with the next generation of GPU (battlemage).
 
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LordOfChaos said:
The fact that Intel's new implementation is besting AMDs ray tracing performance is pretty embarrassing, AMD RT just hasn't been that good and the whole packing extra into the CUs is intuitively a slower approach than dedicating silicon to it. I think "Pro/.5" consoles this gen will be aimed at bringing RT to full resolution and framerate games rather than making big sacrifices for it that aren't often worth it with the relatively little RT power consoles have.
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Yes, though RDNA 3 is right around the corner and AMD says they have improved raytracing performance.
 
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I think the best thing about the card is that the actual underlying hardware is good for what it is (i.e. competitive with Navi 22/GA104 cards when the stars align) so if Intel sticks with it in terms of driver development (especially legacy APIs), ISV support etc they can have something very good in a generation or two. Don't really see the first gen having much success outside OEM sales though.
 
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I dunno, it depends how they translate the price in Canada, we're still getting fucking gouged, even with the price translation here, fucking 6600 xts going for $500+ everywhere online.

Nobody heard about the AMD MSRP price drop here, they're all too busy taking what they can like it's mid 2021.

It's disgusting.
 
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LordOfChaos

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Hey was anyone else in that Intel XPG scavenger hunt? I was in the top 700 and was supposed to get a retail discount code of 150USD I think, but I have no emails from them, did those go out?
 
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