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Hermen Hulst teases future Sony collaborations with FromSoftware

yurinka

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In a new interview, Hulst teases plans for future collaboration with FromSoft after Sony’s investment.

Also says they might explore some film/show ideas too.

So is Hulst teasing the long sought after, fan requested, highly anticipated Sony and FromSoftware collaboration - Déraciné 2?


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As I remember Déraciné 1 was -according to the Nvidia Now list leak- supposed to be released earlier this year on PC. But guess what, Sony isn't releasing PSVR games for PC.

Now talking seriously, From Software is apparently working on Armored Core 6 looking at a supposed survey they did, which included convincing artwork and screenshots:
 
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Herman, what a bad choice by Sony. Not expecting much from his leadership.
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That's the new normal better get used to it. Games like horizon 2 were developed in tandem with PC versions in mind. A well optimized and future proofed PC version of a game makes it easier to work on next gen console remasters afterwards. (GTA V)

Look at games like Bloodborne and MGS4 to see what happens when games are developed with a console only mindset. Those games could be 4k 60 on PC/PS5 instead of the subpar versions we have now on legacy platforms
Yeah, sucks. Those PC players have been enjoying Forbidden West while we are still here hoping they bother porting it to PS5 at some point.

Oh, wait.
 
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MarkMe2525

Gold Member
Nothing but a good thing for PS owners. Admittedly, the only FS game I could get into was Elden Ring, but for many people, an exclusive FS game is a big feather in the cap.
 

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
Hermen is the most successful PS Studios/WWS head Sony ever had.
Jim Ryan is the most successful SCE/SIE head PlayStation (or any other console maker) ever had.

I think this needs to be posted as an entrance message to NeoGAF. You must click "I acknowledge the above" in order to be granted access to the forum. A population that understands basic truths will have the capability to have higher level conversations.
 
From my personal experience with VR I don’t know how they’d handle rolling and stamina drain. Especially when you’re physically swinging and blocking?
Not every VR game needs to be first person. Just a VR third person view would be fine for a sort of regular Souls- looking around corners already different and just being in the world, floating around as the camera. Horizon could also be the same, just VR, but they chose to make a separate game, which in reverse should totally be playable wihtout VR, as QTE heavy game, if they are not dumb.

It's mind bogling to me that Sony doesn't mandate some VR mode, at least a 3d cinema mode should be possible with anything. Or maybe they do at future date after release and have just not announced yet.
 
I only think certain folks are upset at this because while there have been persistent "rumors" about FromSoft making a game with Microsoft, those have only been based on insiders with dubious track records and agendas. Whereas this is the head of the PlayStation division, outright hinting at a future collaboration (and maybe others) with that same developer.

Never mind that FromSoft could theoretically do both, it's just funny to see the sources for one versus the source of the other and realize there's a clear difference between the two in terms of probability of happening. Like, could FromSoft be working on an exclusive with Microsoft? Sure, it's possible. But the probability's like 25% at best. Whereas, at least for the current time, the probability they're doing something with Sony is much higher, 75%.

Just going off the past releases and collaborative efforts FromSoft have had with both platform holders, here.
 
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SmokedMeat

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Not every VR game needs to be first person. Just a VR third person view would be fine for a sort of regular Souls- looking around corners already different and just being in the world, floating around as the camera. Horizon could also be the same, just VR, but they chose to make a separate game, which in reverse should totally be playable wihtout VR, as QTE heavy game, if they are not dumb.

It's mind bogling to me that Sony doesn't mandate some VR mode, at least a 3d cinema mode should be possible with anything. Or maybe they do at future date after release and have just not announced yet.

The entire point of VR is to put yourself in the game’s world. It envelopes you and you interact with it in ways not possible with standard games.
With a third person view it just becomes a standard videogame - just in 3D. There’s no point in going VR if you’re not making use of its strengths. You could achieve those same float around and see what’s up ahead with any regular game.
 
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kyliethicc

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Companies that have had two successful collaborations may explore future collaborations. More at 11.
I think it’s relevant info because those 2 old games were deals signed 10-15 years ago under different execs. There’s been a lot of time and regime change since Bloodborne.
 
People said the same thing about them going open world.

You either keep up with the times or you wither.
Nobody ever said that Fromsoft would never do open world. Fromsoft's entire business model is that they produce high-quality games that cater to a dedicated fanbase that they've built carefully over the years, that's incompatible with live service.
 
In a new interview, Hulst teases plans for future collaboration with FromSoft after Sony’s investment.

Also says they might explore some film/show ideas too.

So is Hulst teasing the long sought after, fan requested, highly anticipated Sony and FromSoftware collaboration - Déraciné 2?


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This is just cock teasing.. "It is not unthinkable.." We have nothing yet but we are trying to apply pressure to get an exclusive game... There is zero benefit to Fromsoft to make an exclusive game at this point.
 
I only think certain folks are upset at this because while there have been persistent "rumors" about FromSoft making a game with Microsoft, those have only been based on insiders with dubious track records and agendas. Whereas this is the head of the PlayStation division, outright hinting at a future collaboration (and maybe others) with that same developer.

Never mind that FromSoft could theoretically do both, it's just funny to see the sources for one versus the source of the other and realize there's a clear difference between the two in terms of probability of happening. Like, could FromSoft be working on an exclusive with Microsoft? Sure, it's possible. But the probability's like 25% at best. Whereas, at least for the current time, the probability they're doing something with Sony is much higher, 75%.

Just going off the past releases and collaborative efforts FromSoft have had with both platform holders, here.
There is not even a hint.. The comment he made is simply.. "It is not impossible" and that means jackshit.
 

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
Nobody ever said that Fromsoft would never do open world. Fromsoft's entire business model is that they produce high-quality games that cater to a dedicated fanbase that they've built carefully over the years, that's incompatible with live service.

You seem like an intelligent fellow, but this comment is preposterous.

Look at their history of games.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FromSoftware

They, like all companies, make calculated risks that DO NOT cater to their small dedicated fanbase. That's how companies grow.

They've been flirting with multiplayer for some time now, and they certainly recognize the market is different today than it was 7 years ago in terms of the GAAS era arrival.

I'm not saying Armored Core is definitely a GAAS title, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
 

M1987

Member
I'm playing ps5 demons souls right now and I would love if bluepoint was in charge of a Bloodborne remaster. Demons souls looks and runs better than elden ring.

Hater gonna hate, but fromsoft needs more technical proficiency.
It certainly looks better than any from game,but I completely disagree,DSR is clunky and the combat is slow as fuck
 

Represent.

Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Having Herman ahead of the PS Studios and Yoshida with indies were some of Jim's best decisions.
By best do you actually mean worst?

Shu gave us Ghosts, TLOU 2, Spiderman, God of War, etc in a 2 year span. Then they demoted him for some reason. In the same time frame Herman has given us cross gen crap and countless remakes and remasters.

Shuhei was amazing, a man of the people. He's doing an amazing job with Indies now, wonder what the first party PS5 output would have been like with him in charge.
 
This is just cock teasing.. "It is not unthinkable.." We have nothing yet but we are trying to apply pressure to get an exclusive game... There is zero benefit to Fromsoft to make an exclusive game at this point.

Yep def expecting full on meltdown at this point…sony invested in a 14% stake in Fromsoftware and 2% into its parent company simply to make movies/tv shows based on IP they don’t own lol
 
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Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
Shu gave us Ghosts, TLOU 2, Spiderman, God of War, etc in a 2 year span. Then they demoted him for some reason.

He had XBox on life support and couldn't put the pillow over their face. Microsoft developed a taste for gaming while Shu was in charge...a massive problem that Hulst and Ryan are now tasked with cleaning up.

Shu is a dinosaur that doesn't understand where gaming is headed.
 

Represent.

Represent(ative) of bad opinions
He had XBox on life support and couldn't put the pillow over their face. Microsoft developed a taste for gaming while Shu was in charge...a massive problem that Hulst and Ryan are now tasked with cleaning up.

Shu is a dinosaur that doesn't understand where gaming is headed.
How is he a dinosaur? These other guys are nothing but liars in suits.

Nintendo has been using the same approach since their inception. Haven't changed a single bit.

Their approach is simple. Make good games. Sell millions. Make billions.

Shu, Shawn Layden, etc were doing that, it was working. People were happy. Somehow it wasn't good enough.

MS tried but weren't succesful at it. So they had to come up with a new plan, open their endless wallet and scream EVERYTHING IS FREE, DONT BUY GAMES LOL. GAMEPASS BABY :messenger_halo::messenger_halo: (I have no issues with MS, competition is good, but I think Gamepass will kill off the traditional AAA Single Player games I love eventually) Google tired and failed thankfully. But now look at the industry. Sony is shook. Complete 180 in their approach. Now it's live service this, new subscription that, GAAS this, Cloud Play that. PC support here, mobile there. Consolidation here, kill single player games there. Oh and sprinkle a little cross-gen sauce on top of all that. Thats the new plan. It sounds frightening.

Damn bruh. We down bad
 
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kyliethicc

Member
Shu gave us Ghosts, TLOU 2, Spiderman, God of War, etc in a 2 year span. Then they demoted him for some reason. In the same time frame Herman has given us cross gen crap and countless remakes and remasters.
Shawn Layden was running first party when those games were being made.

Shu Yoshida was replaced by Layden in running WWS in 2016.
 
Yep def expecting full on meltdown at this point…sony invested in a 14% stake in Fromsoftware and 2% into its parent company simply to make movies/tv shows based on IP they don’t own lol
I mean.. it is just an investment? Companies make investments. 14% is a chunk. It certainly isnt making any decisions percentage.
 
I mean.. it is just an investment? Companies make investments. 14% is a chunk. It certainly isnt making any decisions percentage.

I think even before the investment the probability of another sony game was high

Fromsoft isn’t like Epic, they don’t really have anything to offer Sony outside of a game/IP
 
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EDMIX

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He should force them to use Decima engine or something. Their graphics/performance/tech is inexcusable at this point after all that money they’ve made

Never lol

I think the engine looks great too, but I think Frostbite looks amazing and is great for many titles, but under the teams that use them well. Force that on Mass Effect and see what happened? So maybe Decima is amazing with the teams that understand it, I'd rather they switch to it on their own if they like it, not by force.
 
Never lol

I think the engine looks great too, but I think Frostbite looks amazing and is great for many titles, but under the teams that use them well. Force that on Mass Effect and see what happened? So maybe Decima is amazing with the teams that understand it, I'd rather they switch to it on their own if they like it, not by force.

Why would they use Decima when they can use whatever Bluepoint used/made for Demon’s Souls that already works with their games?


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Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
How is he a dinosaur? These other guys are nothing but liars in suits.
Were Napoleon, Gengis Khan, and Atila the Hun just "liars in suits"? Because they're the only comparable historical figures to Jim Big Daddy Ryan and Herman Slim Reaper Hulst we got in gaming.
Nintendo has been using the same approach since their inception. Haven't changed a single bit.
Nintendo hasn't changed? Lol, OK.

Their approach is simple. Make good games. Sell millions. Make billions.
Shu fed resources to half decomposed babies in the womb. All those quirky Japanese titles that never crack 3 million in sales and don't prepare the company for the future were trainwreck strategic decisions. Only Jimbo was man enough enact the Spartan practice of throwing weak babies off cliffs. Shu and Layden were fat, dumb, and simple minded. Jim is a warrior through and through.

Shu, Shawn Layden, etc were doing that, it was working. People were happy. Somehow it wasn't good enough.
It wasn't working. When PlayStation was coasting under weak leadership, their main rival was healing up and developing a taste for war.

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MS tried but weren't succesful at it.
When a company with 5 developers survives a war against an enemy with 13 developers by selling 50 million units vs 115 million units...it's a massive win.

Shu and Layden were awful leaders.

Sony is shook.
They better be. XBox is now the United States circa 1950. Their war machine has no equal. Sony is now facing off against a giant many times more capable than anything the industry has ever seen (provided Activision Blizzard goes through). Fear is the healthy response.

More Bloodborne and Gravity Rush games are flesh to be fed to tank treads. Sony has to develop nuclear weapons (live service) fast because single player games are now woefully out of date.

May God Bless Jimbo and Herman. Shu and Layden really put them in a tight spot.
 
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[Sigma]

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He had XBox on life support and couldn't put the pillow over their face. Microsoft developed a taste for gaming while Shu was in charge...a massive problem that Hulst and Ryan are now tasked with cleaning up.

Shu is a dinosaur that doesn't understand where gaming is headed.
If anything that so call taste from MS accelerated under Jim and Hermen. MS was like "you want to lock down all these 3rd party exclusives from us? We'll show you. BOOM Bethesda bought. MS was like oh we want to keep going? BOOM Activision bought. We buy publishers around here bitch! Lets see how you like having to beg us for Call of Duty. We know how much you depend on it. Go cry to the regulators now.":messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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If anything that so call taste from MS accelerated under Jim and Hermen. MS was like "you want to lock down all these 3rd party exclusives from us? We'll show you. BOOM Bethesda bought. MS was like oh we want to keep going? BOOM Activision bought. We buy publishers around here bitch! Lets see how you like having to beg us for Call of Duty. We know how much you depend on it. Go cry to the regulators now.":messenger_tears_of_joy:

Seems like microsoft are doing more begging than sony.

Jim just said it was inadequate.
 

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
If anything that so call taste from MS accelerated under Jim and Hermen. MS was like "you want to lock down all these 3rd party exclusives from us? We'll show you. BOOM Bethesda bought. MS was like oh we want to keep going? BOOM Activision bought. We buy publishers around here bitch! Lets see how you like having to beg us for Call of Duty. We know how much you depend on it. Go cry to the regulators now.":messenger_tears_of_joy:

Nah. Microsoft bought Bethesda in the summer of 2020. That means Satya Nadella and Phil Spencer were talking long term strategy (and given the green light) in 2018/2019. During those discussions they're saying "Here's where we are. Here's where PlayStation is. Do we want to spend billions and really commit?"

They're not having those discussions if PlayStations grip wasn't so limp thanks to poor leadership.
 
I think even before the investment the probability of another sony game was high

Fromsoft isn’t like Epic, they don’t really have anything to offer Sony outside of a game/IP
I mean, they are a secure investment. Their games are successful. Making investments in companies doesnt always mean.. "Game" Nintendo owns stakes in a lot of developers. right? I think they have stakes in Bandai Namco and they are the publishers of Elden Ring... but Nintendo barely gets Bandai Namco games. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/73918/nintendo-has-3-8-million-shares-in-bandai-namco-worth-186/index.html#:~:text=Nintendo has 3.8 million shares in Bandai Namco,who has developed a number of Switch games.

Basically, if Sony pays for development of a FROMSOFT game great.. but it isnt like FROM needs to beg for a sugar daddy.. they are minted.
 
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The entire point of VR is to put yourself in the game’s world. It envelopes you and you interact with it in ways not possible with standard games.
With a third person view it just becomes a standard videogame - just in 3D. There’s no point in going VR if you’re not making use of its strengths. You could achieve those same float around and see what’s up ahead with any regular game.
So astrobot rescue is bad, just standard, now? Any VR game works with improved immersion no matter if first or third person. The point is being in the world. First person might be best but if you would need to change the game make something else or of it, it is more work than necessary. O If you are lazy, only 3D, cinema mode, would be my bare minimum mandate if I were Sony. Any company that's worth anything should be able to do proper VR with that much time to know that VR exists and what needs to be done with effects and what can't be faked the same way, without needing to change the viewpoint.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
For you guys talking VR, I've only tried it for half an hour at some entertainment centre with VR kiosks. A bunch of us tried it and thought it was shit. I forget what VR set it was, but some PC set up. Think of it like those VR stores you book an hour and good around with whatever games they got in the system.

We tried a bunch like Job Simulator, Rocky Boxing, and some aiming shooter game. It was total dog shit.

Granted, maybe these games are the bottom of the barrel trash, but the games played crap, it looked crap and the biggest problem is the immersion itself.

In the boxing game, here I am in real life holding VR wrist controllers moving around and swinging punches and the game tries to simulate me getting hit and slowing down. When in real life I'm swinging at full speed. The Job game couldn't even keep up moving around your VR hand or whatever because if you move your hands in real life too fast the game doesn't really work right. I didnt play the shooter game, but the kids thought it was crap. The kids thought the VR kiosk was trash. I thought they'd be amped up to play it. They'd rather just play Minecraft or Fortnite.
 
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