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[Three]

Is mp1st.com reputable? It's the first time I've ever heard of them.

 

[Sub_Level]

We just have to accept that we as hardcore gamers are not the target market anymore. They want their tv show to succeed and thats ok. The show will probably even be decent if that Last of Us hbo teaser is any indication. We dont have to be upset theres plenty other devs releasing good games on playstation lol

 

[GHG]

I think game companies realize that there are always people born that never got a chance to play the games at the time they launched.

The GTAV effect. We always question who are these people buying them, and it’s always the “coming of age” as the answer.

Sure, there may be a crossover with those who have already played them, but I think the majority are those that are of age now where those games were not on their radar at one time.

Ok but this has always been a thing in the gaming industry - as in new generations arriving after certain "milestone/landmark" titles have released. It's just that the industry has become so creatively bankrupt - instead of focusing on creating new landmark titles for the new generations of gamers, they can't think of anything better to do other than to re-release the old stuff with a new coat of paint. It's risk adverse, it's boring and it's lazy. There is nothing stopping new gamers from going back and exploring pervious works to give them some context and appreciation for how we arrived at the point where we are today. It would actually be valuable for them to do so in many ways and that's how you create true hobbyists.

Once you've created a masterpiece your focus needs to be on creating your next masterpiece, not milking your previous work to the point where people start to get sick of it. You've created history, time to make new history, not constantly relive and ressurenct the past.

No need to be so doom and gloom. With the Horizon TV series on the way, this is simply a cross-selling opportunity to wrangle TV viewers into the gaming market, similar to TLOU Remake. We will have a next gen showcase for PS5 before year end and all of the cutting edge, current gen only games you're asking for will be shown.

My issue with all of this is that there's a clear opportunity cost. It's also not an isolated incident, it's a number of games. There's a clear pattern emerging.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

 

[SlimySnake]

Get Herman bitch ass Hulst out of first party.

What a massive downgrade from Shuhei Yoshida.

That shouldve been everyone's first clue as to the new direction of sony studios. The fact that they fired Shu after he produced TLOU, Uncharted 4, GOW, Death Stranding and TLOU2 all won the most GOTY awards their respective years. Thats 5 games in 8 years with HZD coming runner up to BOTW. To fire a guy with that kind of track record is unthinkable. Demoting him to run fucking indies is straight up vindictive.

I wouldnt even give Herman credit for Demon Souls because it was greenlit when Yoshida was still running things. Same goes for Returnal. So Herman is responsible for Ratchet which started development in 2019 and all the 2022 cross gen titles that he chose to make next gen knowing that he had nothing lined up from these studios for 2022 and beyond. Shu's biggest mistake was not forcing devs to make HFW and GOW next gen in 2018. Maybe he tried and thats why Jimbo replaced him with Herman but thats pure speculation. Both are to be blamed for this mess.

Took 3 years for Bend to unveil a logo. Kojima has been MIA for 3 years. ND wasted 2 years on a remake now GG is about to do the same. SSM hasnt revealed their new IP after 4.5 years in development. Likely in development hell. There hasnt been a sony showcase in over a year. How this man still has a job is beyond me.

 

[sainraja]

I agree, and of course the usual suspects will use it as fodder for anti-PlayStation/anti-Sony ammo. But when you're picking games still as modern and playable as HZD to remake only 5-6 years later, it's not like Sony is making supply for those narratives hard to come by.

Yup, we all know what their motivations are (the ones who will be using this as their ammo in silly console war discussions later). I respond to that when I feel like it otherwise I just ignore 'em. Given the choice, I would have taken something else. There is so much to play now that it doesn't matter that much.

Hopefully we get some remakes or just straight-up sequels in IP that would actually do something to maximize the idea of a remake or such (especially for me). People want a Bloodborne update, remake, or sequel. Other people ITT have mentioned The Order and Driveclub, both perfectly suitable for a remake. I personally would love a remake for something like Omega Boost, or Legend of Dragoon, or suchlike, even though their chances are probably quite slim in reality.

Yeah, definitely. I think getting remakes for games like the ones you mention or other titles that have not been re-introduced would have been better but I don't necessarily see a big problem with this, if they do it.

Expectation: MGS remake.
Reality: Horizon remake no one ever asked for.


If that meant that the next Guerrilla game would be delayed for years it would be a complete shame.

Yeah, if they are prioritizing this over making the next game it would be a shame. If they are going forward with this, they must feel confident in other stuff that they have planned.

true but Sony providing us with top tier entertainment what next GOW Remake ?

I mean, we can fault them when its shown that releasing this is affecting other content they are working on. If they really are mis-prioritizing then it is a big shame. Right now, I don't know if that is the case.

 

[20cent]

They should remake The Last Of Us Part 1.

And Part II, that game is over 2 years old now

 

[splattered]

Damn over 400 pages on this already? If this is just outsourced to a different team while GG works on something else what does it matter?

 

[TGO]

Remember when Sony bragged about 25 games in development? We’ll Horizon Remake will be one if them.

13 of them was PC ports too.

 

[remember_spinal]

Damn over 400 pages on this already? If this is just outsourced to a different team while GG works on something else what does it matter?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ok but this has always been a thing in the gaming industry - as in new generations arriving after certain "milestone/landmark" titles have released. It's just that the industry has become so creatively bankrupt - instead of focusing on creating new landmark titles for the new generations of gamers, they can't think of anything better to do other than to re-release the old stuff with a new coat of paint. It's risk adverse, it's boring and it's lazy. There is nothing stopping new gamers from going back and exploring pervious works to give them some context and appreciation for how we arrived at the point where we are today. It would actually be valuable for them to do so in many ways and that's how you create true hobbyists.

Once you've created a masterpiece your focus needs to be on creating your next masterpiece, not milking your previous work to the point where people start to get sick of it. You've created history, time to make new history, not constantly relive and ressurenct the past.



My issue with all of this is that there's a clear opportunity cost. It's also not an isolated incident, it's a number of games. There's a clear pattern emerging.

But, they did make a sequel. Seems they are making a native app for HZD where the multiplayer will probably launch from both versions, not unlike Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy.

It’s not like they’re not making new stuff too. They are doing it all it seems. Sequels, new, old, etc. Shrug.

 

[SlimySnake]

Once you've created a masterpiece your focus needs to be on creating your next masterpiece, not milking your previous work to the point where people start to get sick of it. You've created history, time to make new history, not constantly relive and ressurenct the past.

This so much. Sony studios are in an incredible position compared to their third party peers who are forced into chasing trends. Sony studios are given the time and the budget to create true single player masterpieces. And they have, but they got complacent and decided to ship straight sequels instead of Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2 style leaps. Where is the ambition? I remember ND, GG and SSM devs used to try and top each other game after game. Now they are blowing each other on twitter. Where is the friendly competition? the drive to be the best?

If I worked at ND and found out that both SSM and GG had tied themselves to last gen hardware, id be ecstatic given this free win. But no, ND tied themselves to last gen engine too. What happened to the culture at these studios? Cory said these games take 4-5 years to make now so he wanted to finish GOW's story in 2 games instead of 3. Ok. But who gives a shit about the story? this is a VIDEO GAME. Why isnt the first thought in your mind GAMEPLAY? Why arent you looking at that crazy hardware cerny created and think hey, we are 5 years away from this sequel, maybe we should target next gen hardware and set a new bar. Create a new masterpiece instead of treading old ground?

Rockstar is doing the same and its extremely disappointing. But go on twitter and you will see devs in full revolt against any criticism posting early dev footage of blocky character models running in a blocking level. Dozens upon Dozens of devs sticking up for Rockstar. As if the GTA leaked footage featured blocks. GTA6 looked last gen not early in dev. it played like a last gen game. 4 hours of leaked footage and not a single impressive thing shown? That is what the outrage was, but devs turned themselves into victims and shut down every criticism of GTA looking and most importantly playing like a last gen game set to release in 2025.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

It's like...all the head devs of all the studios had a grudges aside board meeting to decide what to do this gen, and the democratically arrived upon solution was to look at every sarcastic hyperbolic post made on Gamefaqs 10 years ago and adopt it into actual practice.

"SephirothRedfield69 said the market is so full of Remakes that soon we'll be remaking games from last year, but I mean...why not?"

"No, Ubisoft, those posts saying that open world games are becoming like Excel spreadsheets wasn't an endorsement! But fuck it, you're already working on twelve games,"

 

[Sleepwalker]

But why?

This one should sell about 0 copies lol. my god

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

If you want to slander other games then at least have better standards than stanning for what was one of the worst game releases in a generation.

Selective standards in a nutshell.



I can. Putting time in to bleeding edge and then attempting to convince others it's anything but a steaming pile of horseshit.

Yep, rent free. Over a $20 small title. That’s cute.

 

[Gamerguy84]

After eight pages I took to the internet and the only source I could find is MP1st. Got a few tweets but they all go their citing "sources that don't wish to be named"

So I'm not believing it at the moment. I've seen way to many BS stories and fud this gen about them than I ever have. Could be a patch or a VR mode or something other than a remake. Either way the story is catching on fire.

If it is a remake well that's about stupid as can be.

 

[demonstr8]

That requires Sony to actually care about their Japanese first party which this gen they dont.

Sony literally do not have a Japanese first party.

 

[lh032]

 

[remember_spinal]

Sony literally do not have a Japanese first party.

They have two japanese studios, polyphony digital and Team Asobi. The former just released a game a few months ago

 

[ChiefDada]

My issue with all of this is that there's a clear opportunity cost. It's also not an isolated incident, it's a number of games. There's a clear pattern emerging.

I'm not sure what the situation is for Horizon, but all the reporting on TLOU Remake indicated developers didn't have enough work during that time. There was nothing in the pipeline and most ND staff were wrapping up TLOU2. It wasn't an option of TLOU Remake or new Naughty Dog IP, it was TLOU Remake or nothing at all.

With high inflation and industry consolidation, Sony has to find new revenue streams to continue supporting the new innovative IPs we both want to see. Unfortunately, unproven IP = risky so something has to give. I honestly think remakes, live service, TV/Film focus are a "necessary evil" in order to support those fresh games. Without this, Sony would end up being the next Sega Dreamcast.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

With high inflation and industry consolidation, Sony has to find new revenue streams to continue supporting the new innovative IPs we both want to see. Unfortunately, unproven IP = risky so something has to give. I honestly think remakes, live service, TV/Film focus are a "necessary evil" in order to support those fresh games. Without this, Sony would end up being the next Sega Dreamcast.

Let's not pretend here that Sony is going broke.

The past few years Sony (both at a company level and gaming division level) have achieved record profits. The gaming division alone makes about $3 billion profit per year past few years.

 

[SoraNoKuni]

Doubt

 

[BoxFresh123]

A remaster I could see. New lighting/graphics etc somewhat on par with the PC version. Put it out with this multi-player thing and the TV show but a full remake sounds like a massive waste of time.

 

[ArtHands]

i’ll be buying it, ngl that sounds exciting. Don’t care if its $60 or $70

 

[TheShocker]

HZD was a cool game. But FW is leagues better. It better just be a free update if anything.

 

[BoxFresh123]

Sony literally do not have a Japanese first party.

"Polyphony Digital is an internal Japanese first-party video game development studio for PlayStation Studios".

Must be a different Japan from the one you're thinking about I guess.

 

[balls of snow]

http://[URL]https://www.videogamesc...remaster-is-in-the-works-for-ps5-its-claimed/

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Amd it wont even have ray tracing. Sorry Aloy, I liked Ellie and Joel better anyway.

 

[VeganElduderino]

This has to be the weirdest generation of gaming ever !

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

If Horizon multiplayer is a coop game, I think we can officially call Shawn Layden the worst leader in PlayStations history. My God...

 

[Gravemind]

Remake Station

Pretty pathetic money grab if this is true. Way too much time, money, and resources are going towards fucking remakes and remasters.

 

[skit_data]

JFC, who the fuck makes these decisions? Hermen Hulst?

Get some new small IPs out instead of this, it’s just effing up the pipeline!

Won’t buy this anytime soon, if ever. This is not the way. Idiots.

Edit: this is regatding the remake, not the multiplayer ofc.

 

[johnjohn]

Damn, Sony is really relying heavily on remakes and sequels this gen. They're is in their "Halo, Gears, Forza" era.

 

[Bragr]

Nah, this won’t be a remake like TLoU which was a PS3 game, this will be akin to Uncharted 4/Lost Legacy or Ghost of Tsushima.

What do you mean, it sounds like it's supposed to be more than a next-gen patch.

 

[DeepEnigma]

What do you mean, it sounds like it's supposed to be more than a next-gen patch.

Next gen patch already happened unlocking framerate.

It's going to be a native app not unlike GoT. Updated textures, lighting, shaders, streaming tech to match HFW.

That's my guess.

 

[Roman Empire]

Yeah, not feeling it fam. I understand the Steam release but this is a joke if true. There are bunch of IPs that could get a remake/reboot/sequel and this is what they're aiming for? I know there is a show coming in the future but there are better ways to market your products than remaking a game that is barely 5 years old...

 

[Pasta la Vista]

I bet it will be a very bad monster hunter clone with auto aim melee attacks and some other garbage. Mostly be like a looter shooter. Whatever, If true this is definitely some low effort shit to milk the franchise.
They probably have plenty of assets to recycle from the last game. I somehow doubt this IP has gained the notoriety making it strong enough to influence or make any real impact on the current trend.
(In short it's just an effort to capitalize on already established tropes/trends).

Guerilla is very talented but Killzone and Horizon both have done nothing to move the genres forward and always played it very safe.

 

[Max_Po]

foooook no.... not another remake ...

 

[Hero_Select]

Is mp1st.com reputable? It's the first time I've ever heard of them.

They're not the only ones reporting on this

 

[Topher]

All this....over a remaster with added single player?

 

[Methos#1975]

Yeah I cannot rock with this. The original game's still perfectly playable, even more so than TLOU Part 1. In fact some people seem to prefer HZD to HFW (I'm not one of them).

If this is a free update for the existing game and something in a package those who don't own the original can get for say $40, then...fine I suppose. There are other PS games that could really do with a remaster or a remake that would grab my attention a lot more, but at least this way people who already have the game aren't paying out for features you can probably enable for free through hacks on PC.

If that isn't an option though, and full-priced to boot...just not worth it. The rumored MP game is the more interesting of the two rumors anyway, I just wonder what that may entail for Monster Hunter on PlayStation going forward because there might be some competition between the two, same as that rumored Certain Affinity MH-style game for Xbox. Could give Nintendo a chance to work out a really good deal with Capcom on future Monster Hunter games.



See, THAT'S a game that would actually be worth doing a remake for. Lots of potential unrealized. But somehow it's too "risky" to do? Makes no sense to me.

In general the recent remakes strategy from Sony isn't really doing what it could be doing. These are really safe picks, TLOU and Horizon, with original versions still perfectly playable by modern standards. I preferred when they were remaking stuff like Demon's Souls, Shadow of the Colossus, etc. Remake Legend of Dragoon, Omega Boost, or Tomba! That's the real potential for remakes IMO.

Ehhh, Monster Hunter is the king and a MP Horizon isn't going to dethrone it.

 

[It's all in the wrist]

Haha. This one, I won't be playing again.

 

[Crayon]

Eh dont know if true but this would partially explain blowing up the size of their studios and buying support studios. Plenty of people will buy it and this is likely what's paying for the bolstering of those studios.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

This is probably going to be a $10 upgrade and get releases when the Netflix shows comes out.

 

[Punished Miku]

I just think that a lot of you guys are in denial about how absurd AAA development is. We're going to get 1 real game from each Sony studio, and that's about it for the PS5. They can pad out releases a bit with remakes, multiplayer titles using the same assets, and VR titles using the same assets. And all of it will be $70 just to cover this one real title per system.

Everyone should be hoping for AA games and smaller titles. Been saying this for a while.

Nothing AAA is going to come out that is going to be gameplay first, unless it's a multiplayer GAAS title. It's going to be a IP with potential for TV shows, movies, and multiple spin-offs in a lasting universe. It'll be cinematic. It'll be so fucking expensive and time consuming to make that it'll stick fairly close to what has worked before.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

AAA was a mistake.

 

[Kumomeme]

wtf

a remaster is already more than enough lmao

edit: Dusk Golem?

 

[skit_data]

This is probably going to be a $10 upgrade

I really wish this is true but tbh I don’t think it will be. I think this will be a full $70 game without an upgrade path, but I hope I’m wrong.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

To be fair MS arent releasing any games at all

Oh…but they’re coming….next year or the following year.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Oh…but they’re coming….next year or the following year.

Or the year after.....

 

[remember_spinal]

I really wish this is true but tbh I don’t think it will be. I think this will be a full $70 game without an upgrade path, but I hope I’m wrong.

Maybe it’s best to just wait and see?