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New Nvidia RTX 4000 Adola Lovelace Cards Announced | RTX 4090 (1599$) October 12th | RTX 4080 (1199$)

Chiggs

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The JayZTwoCents video, and the AMD November announcement (yay chiplet design), has single-handedly paused my purchase for the RTX 4090.

I have a Thor 1200watt and I’m not risking system damage/melting cables/electrical fire. Nor am I replacing the PSU.

Gonna have to see the tests first.
 
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Sleepwalker

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So powerful it will melt your PC with the extra hot frames!


Jokes aside, if im able to find a 3080ti/3090 on the cheap ill jump to that
 
JohnnyFootball

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
GreatnessRD said:
That's slightly what Nvidia wants to happen. The overabundance of 30 series card is so crazy, they want consumers to buy up that 2 year old stock at regular MSRP, lmao. They know the hardcore will buy the 40 series regardless if Jacket Man is spitting in their face. So its a win-win for Nividia.

That Nvidia mindshare is something else I tell you fucking what, lol.
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Now that EVGA is gone, I am far less inclined to ever consider nvidia unless AMD shits the bed, which isn't out of the realm of possibility.
 
Jayjayhd34

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How long does take to get benchmarks out I'm sure df said they where doing day after the announcement but nothing for days no leaks no nothing
 
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Fredrik

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Chiggs said:
The JayZTwoCents video, and the AMD November announcement (yay chiplet design), has single-handedly paused my purchase for the RTX 4090.

I have a Thor 1200watt and I’m not risking system damage/melting cables/electrical fire. Nor am I replacing the PSU.

Gonna have to see the tests first.
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I’m not too worried tbh. Not pulling an expert card but I manufacture industrial and medical electronics and while there is more safety certifications there I can’t see how you can be allowed to sell home electronics that could potentially burn down someones house from normal usage. If the concerns are real they have to do a product recall. If overheating only occurs in specific scenarios like extreme overclocking and using bad cables they could possibly get away with new and very clear PSU/cable recommendations and warning texts.
 
Fredrik

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About the power draw and cables, here’s some words from Corsair to reassure people that their stuff is up to the task:

There’s no need to wait for future PSUs to support Intel’s new ATX 3.0 standard and CORSAIR’s power supplies already provide the needed reliability and quality components to support the higher power needs of the next generation of PC hardware. Whether it’s an RM1000 that’s seen many builds, or a brand new HX1500i, you can depend on your CORSAIR PSU to power your graphics cards into the future.
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Reads like they’ve had too many concerned customers lol

CORSAIR Announces Compatibility for Nvidia 40-Series Graphics Cards

CORSAIR offers the hardware to power, house, and cool the world’s most powerful graphics cards - the way they were meant to be.
www.corsair.com www.corsair.com

Their cable:

And a cable compatibility table for their PSUs
www.corsair.com

PSU CABLE COMPATIBILITY

www.corsair.com www.corsair.com

And some words from Gamer Nexus:

Our opinion is that while the situation is serious and should be taken seriously, this isn’t likely to be a problem that you’ll encounter in your gaming PCs. The test conditions are intentionally extreme in a way that you likely won’t have in your own system, especially if you take care not to put too much strain on any of your cables and connectors.
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HW News - Intel Arc Isn't Dead, Melting GPU Power Cables 12VHPWR, & RTX 40 Coolers | GamersNexus

stub Hardware news this week talks Intel Arc GPUs, RTX 40 card coolers as leaked by wxnod, PCI-SIG discussion on melting 12VHPWR connectors, and more. Intel Refutes Claims of AXG Cancellation, Says ARC Launch is Soon There's not really much to this one -- we'll leave it mostly to the video...
www.gamersnexus.net www.gamersnexus.net

I’m still interested to see Gamernexus do some thermo camera measurements on the cables and connectors at full load when doing benchmarks.
 
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UnNamed

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DonkeyPunchJr said:
Isn’t she a porn star or something?
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you-you-de-niro.gif

That was Linda Lovelace.

Ada Lovelace is the "mother" of modern computer science.
 
GreatnessRD

GreatnessRD

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JohnnyFootball said:
Now that EVGA is gone, I am far less inclined to ever consider nvidia unless AMD shits the bed, which isn't out of the realm of possibility.
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As an owner of the 6000 series, based on the quality of these cards, I'd be very surprised if AMD shits the bed. But as you said, you never know with such things. AMD really has the cards in their hands. It's really on them if they fuck this up or not. Can't wait for the reveal.
 
Fredrik

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Chiggs said:
So cable management is a no-go? That certainly counts as extreme, depending on the case you’re in and whether or not you’re using zip ties.
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A no-go? Quite the opposite, what they’re saying is that you should be careful and have good cable management, no extreme bends and make sure you’re not putting to much strain on connectors. We’re talking about 70A going through the cable, it’s a lot, make sure everything sit tight before powering it on. And they say the melting cable scenarios comes from extreme internal testing where they push things to find the limit, not likely to happen in our gaming PCs.
 
JohnnyFootball

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
GreatnessRD said:
As an owner of the 6000 series, based on the quality of these cards, I'd be very surprised if AMD shits the bed. But as you said, you never know with such things. AMD really has the cards in their hands. It's really on them if they fuck this up or not. Can't wait for the reveal.
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AMD has a history of allowing competitive moments slip through their fingers.
 
Chiggs

Chiggs

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Fredrik said:
A no-go? Quite the opposite, what they’re saying is that you should be careful and have good cable management, no extreme bends and make sure you’re not putting to much strain on connectors. We’re talking about 70A going through the cable, it’s a lot, make sure everything sit tight before powering it on. And they say the melting cable scenarios comes from extreme internal testing where they push things to find the limit, not likely to happen in our gaming PCs.
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Well, that's what JayZTwoCents was commenting on. When are there not extreme bends when it comes to cable management? People are generally using zip ties to compress and route everything.

To your point, seems like a bad idea with these adapter cables.

Hopefully this is a whole bunch of nothing, but we'll know soon enough.
 
Fredrik

Fredrik

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Chiggs said:
Well, that's what JayZTwoCents was commenting on. When are there not extreme bends when it comes to cable management? People are generally using zip ties to compress and route everything.

To your point, seems like a bad idea with these adapter cables.

Hopefully this is a whole bunch of nothing, but we'll know soon enough.
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Zip ties are great to hold a cable in place with the desired bends, just don’t zip it up with some tight U-bends.
It’s much worse to have the cable loose which will end up breaking the connector from the circuit board if you aren’t careful when moving around the cable.
I hope someone is clever enough to ship a cable with a 90 degree L-shaped plug.
 
Polygonal_Sprite

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Chiggs said:
The JayZTwoCents video, and the AMD November announcement (yay chiplet design), has single-handedly paused my purchase for the RTX 4090.

I have a Thor 1200watt and I’m not risking system damage/melting cables/electrical fire. Nor am I replacing the PSU.

Gonna have to see the tests first.
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What was in the video?
 
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DonkeyPunchJr

World’s Biggest Weeb
Celcius said:
If you plan to get a 4090 you might want to watch this:




I just checked and the nice Corsair hx1000i (platinum 80+, 1000w, etc) that I bought in 2020 is atx12v 2.4 not 3.0 oof
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CORSAIR Announces Compatibility for Nvidia 40-Series Graphics Cards

CORSAIR offers the hardware to power, house, and cool the world’s most powerful graphics cards - the way they were meant to be.
www.corsair.com www.corsair.com

Sounds like it’s no big deal. The data connection is so the PSU can tell the GPU how much power output it’s capable of.

According to Corsair, their 12VHPWR adapter cable’s sense wires will be hard wired based on the PSU:

“customers can now order official CORSAIR 12VHPWR 600W cables compatible with all CORSAIR type-4 PSUs, connecting directly to the PSU via the existing PSU-side connectors for unfettered power straight for your new graphics card – no PCIe adapter required. With sense-wires configured to 600W, your graphics card will know it’s able to draw its maximum power load”

“….600W load requires a 1200W rated CORSAIR PSU or higher. 450W load requires 1000W or higher. 300W load requires 750W or highe”
 
Celcius

Celcius

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Are preorders sold out or are any of you seeing an add to cart button anywhere on the Corsair order page?
 
Hot5pur

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My problems with this GPU launch is there is really nothing out or really on the horizon that will require crazy performance.

You can run most modern games at 4k/60 with everything nearly on max including raytracing with DLSS with nearly the same or better IQ. Nvidia is basically telling me to get a new card so I can run things at 90-120 frames? Except the 4k monitor market at those refresh rates is in it's infancy itself.
 
Leonidas

Leonidas

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Maybe Nvidia is playing 5D chess with the pricing.

4080s were priced high to make the flagship 4090 look like a great deal. 4090 right now is the best value in the series at today's pricing.

4080 launches "sometime in November", that will happen after RDNA3 is launched (AMD confirmed November 3 launch date).

Once RDNA3 price/performance is revealed, Nvidia will have an opportunity to lower the prices of the 4080s, similar to how AMD was forced to lower the price of RDNA1 when Nvidia announced the RTX 2060/2070 Super.
 
CuNi

CuNi

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Beanbox said:
My problems with this GPU launch is there is really nothing out or really on the horizon that will require crazy performance.

You can run most modern games at 4k/60 with everything nearly on max including raytracing with DLSS with nearly the same or better IQ. Nvidia is basically telling me to get a new card so I can run things at 90-120 frames? Except the 4k monitor market at those refresh rates is in it's infancy itself.
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I see it even worse.
Games get slapped full of awful RTX features that don't enhance the game in any meaning full way and even sometimes make the game look worse if you go full wham on RTX (RTX Portal I'm looking at you) while so far still dominant raster performance gets barely improved and only pushes games into a playable FPS range with ML and DLSS. So if you're not using RTX or only on Low/Medium, it feels like you're having 20% of the GPU just be dead silicon and with Ada it looks to be even a bigger gap.
 
b0uncyfr0

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CuNi said:
I see it even worse.
Games get slapped full of awful RTX features that don't enhance the game in any meaning full way and even sometimes make the game look worse if you go full wham on RTX (RTX Portal I'm looking at you) while so far still dominant raster performance gets barely improved and only pushes games into a playable FPS range with ML and DLSS. So if you're not using RTX or only on Low/Medium, it feels like you're having 20% of the GPU just be dead silicon and with Ada it looks to be even a bigger gap.
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100% this - it would be interesting to compare the IQ 'improvements' on some of these RT games. I bet most of them only add minor benefits to the image (if any at all). There are clear examples where RT is used and doesn't do much to the image (CP).

Paying through the nose for a feature that isnt fully utilized or is simply implemented hastily to sell gpu's ; is a big L for the consumer.
 
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grfunkulus

Banned
rofif said:
OOOOF...
4090 1600usd.
4080 900usd. 200 more expensive than 3080 was... and 12gb is barely enough with consoles having 16gb unified

No major changes in design this time. the 3080 fe is beautiful so that's ok.
Glad I got the 3080 on release everything is so incredibly expensive nowadays.
ps5 + steam deck sounds like a good combo nowadays honestly.

I hope they release that racerX demo. It was impressive. But the marble demo also was impressive and the "editor" version they "released" is kinda bad sadly.
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One of those wont age too well unless you like playing 40fps (40hz trick on steamdeck will keep it alive a bit longer if like me, you barf when playing 30fps). 6800u handhelds are the baseline
 
PhoenixTank

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DF talked for nearly an hour about the 40 series pricing & naming, DLSS3, RTX Remix and the changes to Cyberpunk's RT mode if folks want some more informal details:


Edit: Doh. Fixed the YT link.
 
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Crayon

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I'm fascinated by raytracing effect and quite appreciate them, but let's be real. There's an rt setting in cyberpunk now specifically to murder a 3090. The graphics were very good but were they reeeeaaallllyy better than the hi or psycho settings? I've yet to do a side by side myself, but there should be 20 on youtube and there ain't. It's taken for granted that it doesn't even look that different.

And worse, the difference with no rt at all isn't usually that big.

I really believe that rt is the future, but it needs to be closer to free in terms of cycles and hardware needs to be everywhere. That's so far away. But I'm impatient for that so ill be heavily considering rt performance for my next card.
 
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Dirk Benedict

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Crayon said:
I'm fascinated by raytracing effect and quite appreciate them, but let's be real. There's an rt setting in cyberpunk now specifically to murder a 3090. The graphics were very good but we're they reeeeaaallllyy better than the hi or psycho settings? I've yet to do a side by side myself, but there should be 20 on youtube and there ain't. It's taken for granted that it doesn't even.look that different.

And worse, the difference with no rt at all isn't usually that big.

I really believe that rt is the future, but it needs to be closer to free in terms of cycles and hardware needs to be everywhere. That's so far away. But I'm impatient for that so ill be heavily considering rt performance for my next card.
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It's only the RT setting, though. I've been playing CP, maxed out, 4k/60, RT off and I stream at 1080p... I stay mostly locked to 60fps. Rare dips into the mid 50s. Very rare. Given enough attention, we can make these things work very well. I like to read and understand, so it's up my alley. Oh, and DLSS on Balanced. I'm a sucker for both FPS and IQ. :messenger_savoring:
 
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Rentahamster

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I only half-believe that DLSS 3 is only doable on 4000 series cards. While it's plausible that the 3000 series cards don't have sufficient hardware to run it, Nvidia has enough of a money grubbing record for me to think that perhaps they are gatekeeping this to boost demand. In this particular area, I don't trust them enough to think that it's not just marketing.
 
yamaci17

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Crayon said:
I'm fascinated by raytracing effect and quite appreciate them, but let's be real. There's an rt setting in cyberpunk now specifically to murder a 3090. The graphics were very good but were they reeeeaaallllyy better than the hi or psycho settings? I've yet to do a side by side myself, but there should be 20 on youtube and there ain't. It's taken for granted that it doesn't even look that different.

And worse, the difference with no rt at all isn't usually that big.

I really believe that rt is the future, but it needs to be closer to free in terms of cycles and hardware needs to be everywhere. That's so far away. But I'm impatient for that so ill be heavily considering rt performance for my next card.
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rt overdrive patch is not released yet, it will coincide with dlss 3+ada release

it may look much much better in certain cases. this time it gets real, it will have more than 1 bounce, which should help with rt lighting. DF will have a field day.
 
DenchDeckard

DenchDeckard

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Pedro Motta said:
Laughs in Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL.

I guess I also have to get an ATX 3.0 PSU to go along with the 4090.
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Just a heads up don't get the zotac card, it won't fit in you Lian Li 011 dynamic XL.

Cries tears into your case for you.

And, you don't need an atx 3.0 psu but I would wait to see how it performs in the wild first.
 
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DenchDeckard

DenchDeckard

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grfunkulus said:
One of those wont age too well unless you like playing 40fps (40hz trick on steamdeck will keep it alive a bit longer if like me, you barf when playing 30fps). 6800u handhelds are the baseline
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Steamdeck is awesome, will deffo upgrade to a 6800u model though as I'm completely sold and invested in the platform now. Mind blowing price of kit.

4090 will be mine at some point. Its just ridiculous though. Almost the size of a ps5.
 
Pedro Motta

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DenchDeckard said:
Just a heads up don't get the zotac card, it won't fit in you Lian Li 011 dynamic XL.

Cries tears into your case for you.

And, you don't need an atx 3.0 psu but I would wait to see how it performs in the wild first.
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How is that possible? hahaah This is getting ridiculous.

Anyway about the PSU, yesterday I just found out that my Corsair HX1200i supports the new standard, I just need to buy this new cable. Which is cool because it's not an adapter.

https://www.corsair.com/pt/pt/Categ...0-12VHPWR-Type-4-PSU-Power-Cable/p/CP-8920284
 
DenchDeckard

DenchDeckard

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Pedro Motta said:
How is that possible? hahaah This is getting ridiculous.

Anyway about the PSU, yesterday I just found out that my Corsair HX1200i supports the new standard, I just need to buy this new cable. Which is cool because it's not an adapter.

https://www.corsair.com/pt/pt/Categorias/Produtos/Acessórios-|-Peças/Componentes-para-PC/Fontes-de-alimentação/600W-PCIe-5-0-12VHPWR-Type-4-PSU-Power-Cable/p/CP-8920284
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Yeah the cards too high. Only the zotac though the rest are fine.

Wish I'd got that psu but I "settled" for the rm1000x thinking that would be OK lol

Looks like I can on,y go a maximum of 450 watt which should be fine for a 4090...I hope
 
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