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See, that's just youropinion. What about someone who really latched on to Death and her pale skin goth appearance and contribution to that sub-genre? Those folks are out there and their opinion matters as much as yours about "only casting they couldn't really fuck up" and for them the show did.
Though for me Death is Kat Denning's voice, so I'm probably not the one to comment on that character
I collect VHS tapes
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visually the trailer looked pretty terrible
I might skip this one
I might skip this one
Mato
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I enjoyed episode 6, especially the second half. I hope the show gets renewed. It's got the dark/mystical type of atmosphere I hoped it would.
I'm so glad it's a series and not a movie. Can you imagine trying to cram all that lore and story into 2 hours? Ugh. I read The Exorcist last year. I watched the movie afterwards and even though I've seen it many times, for the first time I was bothered by how synoptic it felt. It was almost comical.
Also, unlike others, I'm not bothered by the diverse casting because it doesn't seem like the intent was vengeful, anti-white rhetoric. It's just people of different skin tones, casually interacting with each other. Death's casting was as good as Dream's.
I'm so glad it's a series and not a movie. Can you imagine trying to cram all that lore and story into 2 hours? Ugh. I read The Exorcist last year. I watched the movie afterwards and even though I've seen it many times, for the first time I was bothered by how synoptic it felt. It was almost comical.
Also, unlike others, I'm not bothered by the diverse casting because it doesn't seem like the intent was vengeful, anti-white rhetoric. It's just people of different skin tones, casually interacting with each other. Death's casting was as good as Dream's.
ManaByte
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Gaiman simplified is that he writes modern fairy tales. Even though The Sandman started out and existed in the "horror" corner of the DC universe, I always saw it, even from issue #1, as more of a fairy tale. Even though he didn't write the teleplays, you can feel his hand throughout the show; especially in the narration. It feels like a filmed adaptation of the comic, and the skin tones of the actors don't affect the story at all.
Adaptation can always suck for some people, yes that's true. And those people can complain on twitter.
People can always try and use adaptations as part of their culture war crap as a part of a business plan, that's also true.
I suspect the latter is happening more nowadays.
But back to the topic, very excited to watch this series. Episode one was quite interesting. Decided to watch it on a weekly basis like the good old days.
People can always try and use adaptations as part of their culture war crap as a part of a business plan, that's also true.
I suspect the latter is happening more nowadays.
But back to the topic, very excited to watch this series. Episode one was quite interesting. Decided to watch it on a weekly basis like the good old days.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Yea not binging it. I'm watching an episode a day or so. Spreading it out to enjoy it because I've waited so long for a good adaptation of this and we've dodged some bullets in the past to get to here.
Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Morpheus would've been Morbius-bad.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Just got to the end, and all things considered, that was a pretty good adaptation of Preludes & Nocturnes and The Doll’s House. The pacing suffers in the second half, but then it was always going to, given how the source material is laid out.
That’s going to be even more of an issue when they come to adapt Dream Country and Season Of Mists… which is what I’m assuming they will do.
The race and gender changes are a complete irrelevance to anyone who actually knows the comic, and isn’t just on an anti-woke crusade.
If there’s anything to actually complain about its the removal of all references to DC comics, which was the wrong thing to do. For instance the change from Brute and Glob to Gault is a poor one. As is the lack of context behind John Dee and Hector Hall. Gaiman and Netflix should have fought more to keep those references in, as they inform a great deal about the wider story. The show is worse off without them.
Martin Tenbones is pretty much perfect though, rendering any other complaints moot.
8/10.
That’s going to be even more of an issue when they come to adapt Dream Country and Season Of Mists… which is what I’m assuming they will do.
The race and gender changes are a complete irrelevance to anyone who actually knows the comic, and isn’t just on an anti-woke crusade.
If there’s anything to actually complain about its the removal of all references to DC comics, which was the wrong thing to do. For instance the change from Brute and Glob to Gault is a poor one. As is the lack of context behind John Dee and Hector Hall. Gaiman and Netflix should have fought more to keep those references in, as they inform a great deal about the wider story. The show is worse off without them.
Martin Tenbones is pretty much perfect though, rendering any other complaints moot.
8/10.
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Mossybrew
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I know jack shit about the comic but I've been enjoying it, though the first episode was a bit slow to draw me in. Up through ep 5 now and that was a doozy. I do kinda like how stuff seems to get resolved, then on to the next plot point, where a lot of shows would drag things out, so far at least it feels like each episode is introducing something new.
lifa-cobex
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I think they should have brought back Peter Stormare as Satan.
Maybe he's Too old now but he nailed it in Constantine.
The guy is dripping in charisma
Maybe he's Too old now but he nailed it in Constantine.
The guy is dripping in charisma
DKehoe
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I really like that portrayal but it's not really the same vibe as Sandman's.
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lifa-cobex
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Maybe he could tone it down a little. But those little mannerisms go a long way.
poppabk
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DKehoe
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Yeh that's much more like it. The Sandman version really leans into the fallen angel aspect.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Not everyone can be Tilda Swinton though.
Sleepwalker
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Don't know anything about the comics but I'm stuck at home so I binged this. I really liked it overall and hope it gets renewed.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yeah it was a great story, well acted, impressive production values and I loved the vignette episodes like episode 6 which are rare with the modern day need to push the narrative with every frame and everything else is filler.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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sol_bad
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Wildebeest
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To be honest, I never liked the first arc in Sandman that much. Episode 6 with Hob Gadling is where the real thing starts for me.
SafeOrAlone
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I love comics and I love comicbook movies, but I don't think I'll ever love comicbook television adaptations. There is just something about television production that tends to turn me off, and I can't pinpoint what it is.
You could adapt Morrison's Batman run to television and I would still probably tune out, halfway into the first episode.
This is my gift, my curse.
You could adapt Morrison's Batman run to television and I would still probably tune out, halfway into the first episode.
This is my gift, my curse.
FunkMiller
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Constantine Reboot Series from J.J. Abrams on 'Solid Ground' at HBO Max
Nankatsu
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Never read the comics.
I'm currently on episode 7. It started off great but it's going down the drain.
It's constantly losing pace. Dream started off being a very mysterious character until he goes full emo.
Plus this is perhaps the most LGBT show I've ever seen, jesus. Everyone is either gay or lesbian. I'm surprised Dream himself isn't gay to be honest.
Talk about a woke agenda here. This show marks a new negative Netflix standard for me.
Setting and visual effects are amazing, but legit gets wrecked by this forced bullshit.
I'm currently on episode 7. It started off great but it's going down the drain.
It's constantly losing pace. Dream started off being a very mysterious character until he goes full emo.
Plus this is perhaps the most LGBT show I've ever seen, jesus. Everyone is either gay or lesbian. I'm surprised Dream himself isn't gay to be honest.
Talk about a woke agenda here. This show marks a new negative Netflix standard for me.
Setting and visual effects are amazing, but legit gets wrecked by this forced bullshit.
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FunkMiller
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Never read the comics, which are full of gayness.
Whines that the tv show is full of gayness.
Nankatsu
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Like I said, I don't know the source material.
If that's the case, no wonder Netflix got wind of this. Pairs well with them
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ManaByte
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Like I said, I don't know the source material.
If that's the case, no wonder Netflix got wind of this. Pairs well with them
It's a WB series, Netflix just paid for it for the streaming rights. WB shopped it around and HBO passed due to the cost of it, Netflix likes burning money so they paid for it, but it's a WB series overseen by Gaiman.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Sense8 is that way ->
Even the straight characters have gay sex in Sense8.
sendit
Member
Same. Watched episode 1 and found it cringe. *Blows fairy dust.....goes to sleep*
Mato
Member
The story is based on a European folklore character that is just that.
Sandman - Wikipedia
Wildebeest
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I think this series could have been lifted if they cast Brian Blessed as Gilbert and didn't faff around so much. The series highlights were Hob Gadling, Cain and Abel. Although Hob Gadling was literally written for Bob Hoskins.
Cyberpunkd
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So I watched the first episodes and it’s…kinda meh?
The strong point of the Sandman was writing and internal monologue, here this is all cut so you get something like:
Exposition, Dream walking
Dream looking around
Short exchange
Dream walking again
The strong point of the Sandman was writing and internal monologue, here this is all cut so you get something like:
Exposition, Dream walking
Dream looking around
Short exchange
Dream walking again
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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Cyberpunkd
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Yeah, as I thought they kinda failed with the episode set in Hell. I guess it’s almost impossible to translate that into a TV/film. I also thought they missed the chance to give a different spin to Lucifer.
Alx
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Minor comics spoiler
First Gilbert tells Rose the original version of LRRH, where the girl is standing by the fire at her Grandmother’s house, and the wolf disguised as her repetitively asks her to remove different pieces of clothing and throw them in the fire because « she won’t need them any more ». Then he eats her.
When « Fun Land » later assaults Rose (wearing his wolf cap), he tells her to remove her dress because she won’t need it any more.
When « Fun Land » later assaults Rose (wearing his wolf cap), he tells her to remove her dress because she won’t need it any more.
It may look like a detail but it contributes to the blurring between dreams/stories and reality, and reminds us that stories can evolve and in a way have a life of their own.
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sol_bad
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As weird as this show is, I think they could have easily done the comedy club like setting that the comic has for the "showdown". I'm ultimately still happy that they even went for the metaphorical battle though.
Tieno
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Ok, so I saw episode 6 yesterday and that episode elevated it to greatness and something special for me. Especially the first half. Brought me to tears, so beautiful.
It's still ruminating in my mind.
I've never bought or read any comics in my life but I think I'm gonna get a few of those Sandman stories after I'm finished with season 1.
The personification of death and the way that story was told, it stands out from so many other tales about the meaning of death and the way we look at it, wow, amazing.
I've never bought or read any comics in my life but I think I'm gonna get a few of those Sandman stories after I'm finished with season 1.
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Alx
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I really liked the impersonation of Desire towards the end too.
I skipped a few parts and will probably get back to those, but everything considered the show is a good translation of the original opus to TV format. Most of the magic is there. It's only a shame that a few changes on major events or characters diminished their quality (in my opinion of course) : the duel in Hell lost a lot of its magic, Lucifer has become more grounded. Death needs to be more peppy (and maybe look more like her brother, but that ship has sailed), and Morpheus should lose the duckface, choose a skin tone and stick with it, and switch to a more cavernous voice (or just stop chain-smoking).
Kudos to Hob Gadling, Lucienne, the Corinthian, Johanna Constantine and Desire, they were perfect.
I skipped a few parts and will probably get back to those, but everything considered the show is a good translation of the original opus to TV format. Most of the magic is there. It's only a shame that a few changes on major events or characters diminished their quality (in my opinion of course) : the duel in Hell lost a lot of its magic, Lucifer has become more grounded. Death needs to be more peppy (and maybe look more like her brother, but that ship has sailed), and Morpheus should lose the duckface, choose a skin tone and stick with it, and switch to a more cavernous voice (or just stop chain-smoking).
Kudos to Hob Gadling, Lucienne, the Corinthian, Johanna Constantine and Desire, they were perfect.
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FunkMiller
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Gwendoline Christie was a bit crap, to be honest. Too weak an actress to properly play Lucifer.
ShadowNate
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I actually liked Morpheus' actor deep voice and was surprised that it actually came from him and was not voiced by some other actor. He really can do low voice well, as opposed to some terrible, terrible examples of actors who fail at it and are apparently also oblivious about it (Wahlberg comes to mind -- and directors seem to keep asking him to do it ).
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Alx
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If you liked that episode, you may want to read the spin-off "Death : the High Cost of Living" that follows the Death character more closely.
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Cyberpunkd
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As suspected Episode 6 was great but then this is one hell of a story in the comic. Dollhouse is obviously a fine classic.
I think I’m getting a full Sandman series for the shelf. It’s mind blowing how good the quality of writing is in this comic.
I think I’m getting a full Sandman series for the shelf. It’s mind blowing how good the quality of writing is in this comic.
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Cyberpunkd
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So I powered through till the end and I don’t know what to think.
On one hand - the last few episodes were very good, but so was the source material. Don’t know if it’s a credit to Netflix or Gaiman.
I don’t mind the LGBT or the gender or race swap - it’s not 1989 anymore, the world moves on. It didn’t strike me as strange any of the changes. Stephen Fry was exactly where I though he would be.
On one hand - the last few episodes were very good, but so was the source material. Don’t know if it’s a credit to Netflix or Gaiman.
I don’t mind the LGBT or the gender or race swap - it’s not 1989 anymore, the world moves on. It didn’t strike me as strange any of the changes. Stephen Fry was exactly where I though he would be.