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[adamsapple]

The only consumers truly hurt by this are A

A what ?

A WHAT ?!?! tell us !!

It's funny how I mention Starfield and Elder Scrolls and you guys completely ignore that.

They're first party now, besides even if/when the Activision deal goes through, MS has already pledged to continue making CoD games available to PS, that'll be them delivering first party content on another platform. I don't recall people making that much of a fuss when Sony bought Activision, Blue Point or Nixxess without any such commitments. All those seemed to be pretty hunky dory.

Regardless, that is in no way comparable to either company paying developers from keeping already multiplatform games on selective services. It's an apples and oranges comparison.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The irony lol

I know, right?

They're fanatical cultists. End of.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

A what ?

A WHAT ?!?! tell us !!



They're first party now, besides even if/when the Activision deal goes through, MS has already pledged to continue making CoD games available to PS, that'll be them delivering first party content on another platform. I don't recall people making that much of a fuss when Sony bought Activision, Blue Point or Nixxess without any such commitments. All those seemed to be pretty hunky dory.

Regardless, that is in no way comparable to either company paying developers from keeping already multiplatform games on selective services. It's an apples and oranges comparison.

MS aquiring Ninja Theory, Obisidian or InExile were pretty hunky dory too. Wonder why?

 

[DeepEnigma]

MS aquiring Ninja Theory, Obisidian or InExile were pretty hunky dory too. Wonder why?

He gets it., but... Please Understand™

 

[mckmas8808]

Theres no difference between Microsoft buying up publishers and Sony paying publishers to block content.

And Microsoft does the same thing, the only difference is they are too stupid to be aggressive locking content ,unlike Sony.

 

[adamsapple]

MS aquiring Ninja Theory, Obisidian or InExile were pretty hunky dory too. Wonder why?

You're right, if that was hunky dory along with the names I mentioned then why such a fuss and bother over Bethesda and Activision ? Especially since MS has already pledged first party support on other platforms. Quote unquote "Xbox fans" didn't raise nearly 2% of the fuss over Bungie like we've seen over Activision and Bethesda, this topic is a prime example.

Just comes off as whiny on both Sony and their fan bases part.

He gets it., but... Please Understand™

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You're right, if that was hunky dory along with the names I mentioned then why such a fuss and bother over Bethesda and Activision ? Especially since MS has already pledged first party support on other platforms.

Just comes off as whiny on both Sony and their fan bases part.

They've pledged COD, and that's basically it. None of the Bethesda games are coming so not sure what the hell you're talking about there

This back and forth bitching between Microsoft and Sony is happening because the braz goverment asked the what-if question.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Make some room in your already occupied throat and gobble both these nuts while you're at it. I like it rough.

 

[JackMcGunns]

It's funny how I mention Starfield and Elder Scrolls and you guys completely ignore that.

You're the third person to do this and obvious why you would do that. We're not talking about games they're deciding to keep multiplat, we're talking about games they're deciding to keep exclusive.

Microsoft didn't go to Activision to "save" them, they saw an opportunity to buy the publisher, just like they're trying to do with everything out there.

These purchases are for their benefit and that's why they're doing it. Keeping games like Elder Scrolls and Starfield off Playstation is far worse than time exclusive deals. You guys are coming up with excuses because you just don't want to admit that it's far worse to buy publishers and to make games exclusive.

People labeling this as "Bad for the industry and must be stopped" are missing the point.

B...but...but we lose the little games in between says the same guy that thinks losing Sifu, FFVII remake and other moneyhat practices are ok, the latter has Z E R O benefits to gamers, it only benefits Playstation gamers whereas MS buying activision benefits us ALL.

Take a moment, analyze what you just said and apply it.

 

[Warnen]

Who thought elsewise? Vast majority of these deals are to keep done games off other platforms. Sure, there are the rare exceptions like Bayonetta but thats few and far between.

 

[Excess]

>imagine being surprised by this
>imagine defending it

 

[Topher]

>imagine being surprised by this

Anyone surprised by this were not paying attention when Sony's marketing deals were discussed numerous times during the Apple-Epic lawsuit as well as when discussing if these deals would have impact on Call of Duty being on Game Pass on several occasions. That's what makes so many of the reactions here hilariously fake.

 

[DeepEnigma]

>imagine defending it

In all facets, yes. Yet, no need to imagine.

 

[hlm666]

They've pledged COD

Hope it's better than an Amber Heard pledge.

 

[adamsapple]

They've pledged COD, and that's basically it. None of the Bethesda games are coming so not sure what the hell you're talking about there

The fact that they've pledged CoD on Playstation by name is more than what the opposition has done, Bungie has only talked about vague multi platform future which many of the fans here called as them just talking about PC and PS5.

The standards at which the two entities are held in terms of communication is so different, it's weird that instead of celebrating only one platform holder pledging continued support on other consoles, we're demonizing it because they didn't do more of it.

Anyone surprised by this were not paying attention when Sony's marketing deals were discussed numerous times during the Apple-Epic lawsuit as well as when discussing if these deals would have impact on Call of Duty being on Game Pass on several occasions. That's what makes so many of the reactions here hilariously fake.

The extent of the marketing discussions in the Epic v Apple lawsuit were in relation to cross play in fortnite.

The only relevant thing about game pass out of it was the possibility that Nintendo and MS were in some kind of negotiation phase related to it.

Not much else.

Make some room in your already occupied throat and gobble both these nuts while you're at it. I like it rough.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Hope it's better than an Amber Heard pledge.

 

[yamaci17]

this is how I imagine sony's lawyers look like in this specific situation

 

[JackMcGunns]

That's the same thing lol

ShopRite sells produce at their store front

Stop & Shop also sells produce at their store front

Stop & Shop creates a store model where they pay a subsidized fee to farmers, a subsidy that's backed by a subscription service that has proven to benefit both the farmer and the consumer. The farmer is getting much more exposure and even starts to sell some of their less known products, while at the same time the consumer is getting a great deal on produce. Farmer and consumer are both winning here.

In comes ShopRite and starts to pay framers under the table to keep their produce away from Stop & Shop's specialty store, they can only place it on shelves where now people have to pay full price for the produce. This practice benefits the farmer is some way because the money under the table, but it doesn't benefit the consumer in any way.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

ShopRite sells produce at their store front

Stop & Shop also sells produce at their store front

Stop & Shop creates a store model where they pay a subsidized fee to farmers, a subsidy that's backed by a subscription service that has proven to benefit both the farmer and the consumer. The farmer is getting much more exposure and even starts to sell some of their less known products, while at the same time the consumer is getting a great deal on produce. Farmer and consumer are both winning here.

In comes ShopRite and starts to pay framers under the table to keep their produce away from Stop & Shop's specialty store, they can only place it on shelves where now people have to pay full price for the produce. This practice benefits the farmer is some way because the money under the table, but it doesn't benefit the consumer in any way.

Exclusive rights

Again, the same thing

 

[DETACA]

A what ?

A WHAT ?!?! tell us !!

that apple, which you are eating OR .....the best balls into your throat... as you have spoken...

 

[TidusYuna]

The Irony is, Call of Duty deals started with Microsoft on the XBOX360 and lasted 2 years into the XBOXOne's launch.
https://investor.activision.com/new...rosoft-enter-long-term-agreement-release-call

Then after the expiration of the XBOX CoD deal, Activision decided to do a deal with Sony on their own accord.
"The partnership with Sony was the right decision at this time," Activision Publishing boss Eric Hirshberg told Gamespot at E3.
Sauce: https://www.eurogamer.net/after-five-years-of-xbox-exclusivity-call-of-duty-switches-to-playstation
This wasn't Sony taking away Call of Duty, Activision chose to do a deal with Sony over Microsoft, probably mainly due to the sales of the PS4 over the XBOXOne.

& before you say Call of Duty is what ignited the sales of the PS4 over the XBOX one, bear in mind that the deal between XBOX and CoD was still in effect for 2 Call of Duty games into the XBOXOne's launch. Call of Duty Ghosts in 2013 and Call of Duty Advanced warfare 2014 were still part of the Microsoft/CoD deal, So XBOXOne launched as the home for Call of Duty for 2 years, but the PS4 was still outselling it. Activision's CoD deal with Sony started with Call of Duty Black Ops III, which launched in 2015. But again, the Playstation 4 was already selling better than the XBOXOne for 2 years, even without being the home of CoD.

 

[Topher]

The extent of the marketing discussions in the Epic v Apple lawsuit were in relation to cross play in fortnite.

The only relevant thing about game pass out of it was the possibility that Nintendo and MS were in some kind of negotiation phase related to it.

Not much else.

"as well as when discussing if these deals would have impact on Call of Duty being on Game Pass on several occasions"

And I'm talking about discussions in this forum.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

that apple, which you are eating OR .....the best balls into your throat... as you have spoken...

Apple

 

[DeepEnigma]

ShopRite sells produce at their store front

Stop & Shop also sells produce at their store front

Tell me you're from the northeast, without telling me you're from the northeast.

 

[JackMcGunns]

Exclusive rights

Again, the same thing

Having games on GamePass has ZERO effect for PlayStation gamers, you can still go out and buy MLB The Show, the same way you did last week. Sony paying to keep games off of GamePass directly impacts gamers. How can you not see the difference???

 

[Ozriel]

At what point is the penny going to drop and you nitwits realize that its not Sony who you need to worry on behalf of, but EVERYBODY ELSE.

Consider: If you as an independent dev were looking to make an entry into the FPS market how would you feel about a single corporate entity holding the strings on pretty much every historically major franchise from Doom, through Halo, to CoD?

You not think that the ability to coordinate release, support and promote all those franchises isn't going to have a chilling effect on competition?

Sony first party are extremely prolific with cinematic 3rd person games. And yet it doesn't stop AA devs from putting their own games in that genre. It has never had a chilling effect on the genre.

Gamepass itself is a non-issue. Some of the most popular FPS games are F2P, so there's already a low barrier of entry even without Gamepass releases.

Quality will always rise. MS makes money from 3rd party sales too, so they certainly have zero inclination to curb smaller releases.


This is just aimless scare mongering at this point.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Having games on GamePass has ZERO effect for PlayStation gamers, you can still go out and buy MLB The Show, the same way you did last week. Sony paying to keep games off of GamePass directly impacts gamers. How can you not see the difference???

What are you even talking about?

 

[93xfan]

I think BOTH are saying some stupid stuff here. Both MS and Sony. They are both lying to be honest!

So they’re lying to… be honest?

Now I’m way more confused

 

[silent head]

Having games on GamePass has ZERO effect for PlayStation gamers, you can still go out and buy MLB The Show, the same way you did last week. Sony paying to keep games off of GamePass directly impacts gamers. How can you not see the difference???

Microsoft also pays to keep games away from PS+
FEB 03, 2020
Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two, Pumped BMX Pro, RAGE, and The Jackbox Party Pack 2 will be leaving the service within the next few weeks.
https://www.thegamer.com/xbox-game-pass-removing-games-shadow-tomb-raider/#:~:text=Xbox Game Pass will soon,the best deals in gaming

March 3, 2020

Shadow of the Tomb Raider join PS Now​

https://blog.playstation.com/archiv...lfenstein-ii-join-the-ps4-service-next-month/

 

[DeepEnigma]

Microsoft also pays to keep games away from PS+
FEB 03, 2020
Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two, Pumped BMX Pro, RAGE, and The Jackbox Party Pack 2 will be leaving the service within the next few weeks.
https://www.thegamer.com/xbox-game-pass-removing-games-shadow-tomb-raider/#:~:text=Xbox Game Pass will soon,the best deals in gaming

March 3, 2020

Shadow of the Tomb Raider join PS Now​

https://blog.playstation.com/archiv...lfenstein-ii-join-the-ps4-service-next-month/

They even buy the largest 3rd party publishers in the world to keep entire portfolios of games away from PlayStation. Good guy, Phil !!

 

[Helghan]

If you as a Playstation gamer are happy that Sony is not spending money on a better experience for you, but a worse experience for gamers on a different console, there's something wrong with you.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

If you as a Playstation gamer are happy that Sony is not spending money on a better experience for you, but a worse experience for gamers on a different console, there's something wrong with you.

Jim's my sugar daddy irl so it doesn't bother me

 

[Ozriel]

The Irony is, Call of Duty deals started with Microsoft on the XBOX360 and lasted 2 years into the XBOXOne's launch.
https://investor.activision.com/new...rosoft-enter-long-term-agreement-release-call

Then after the expiration of the XBOX CoD deal, Activision decided to do a deal with Sony on their own accord.
"The partnership with Sony was the right decision at this time," Activision Publishing boss Eric Hirshberg told Gamespot at E3.
Sauce: https://www.eurogamer.net/after-five-years-of-xbox-exclusivity-call-of-duty-switches-to-playstation
This wasn't Sony taking away Call of Duty, Activision chose to do a deal with Sony over Microsoft, probably mainly due to the sales of the PS4 over the XBOXOne.

& before you say Call of Duty is what ignited the sales of the PS4 over the XBOX one, bear in mind that the deal between XBOX and CoD was still in effect for 2 Call of Duty games into the XBOXOne's launch. Call of Duty Ghosts in 2013 and Call of Duty Advanced warfare 2014 were still part of the Microsoft/CoD deal, So XBOXOne launched as the home for Call of Duty for 2 years, but the PS4 was still outselling it. Activision's CoD deal with Sony started with Call of Duty Black Ops III, which launched in 2015. But again, the Playstation 4 was already selling better than the XBOXOne for 2 years, even without being the home of CoD.

Nah.
Microsoft foolishly declined to renew their deal with Activision for COD, in part due to the planned releases of Titanfall (billed as the next big thing) and Halo 5. Sony took it up.


Youll get laughed out of the park if you insist COD marketing wasnt a system seller for PS4. The Black Ops 2 bundle was immense, pushing millions of units.

 

[Bojanglez]

ShopRite sells produce at their store front

Stop & Shop also sells produce at their store front

Stop & Shop creates a store model where they pay a subsidized fee to farmers, a subsidy that's backed by a subscription service that has proven to benefit both the farmer and the consumer. The farmer is getting much more exposure and even starts to sell some of their less known products, while at the same time the consumer is getting a great deal on produce. Farmer and consumer are both winning here.

In comes ShopRite and starts to pay framers under the table to keep their produce away from Stop & Shop's specialty store, they can only place it on shelves where now people have to pay full price for the produce. This practice benefits the farmer is some way because the money under the table, but it doesn't benefit the consumer in any way.

I'd imagine that if the farmers are sustainable and have a number of shops they can choose to do business with they will continue to produce goods, and the consumers will be happy.

Are ShopRite operating in other sectors and subsidising their retail subscription model from the other areas of their business (possibly at a sustainable loss)? What happens to the consumers if they kill off ShopRite and then decide they actually want to make money on the model and start to squeeze the farmers and they and consumers have nowhere to go?

 

[DeepEnigma]

If you as a Playstation gamer are happy that Sony is not spending money on a better experience for you, but a worse experience for gamers on a different console, there's something wrong with you.

Ironic.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Another example of the well-known pro-consumer approach I’ve heard so much about…

Wish I had this redacted content, must be plenty of examples.

ahh... to be blissfully unaware. If you knew all the things that happened in the backrooms of these companies, the back stabbing, the "handshakes," your pure heart would explode "No, no... not 'my company' they wouldn't..."

Business is DIRTY. This shit is mild AF, at best. You may believe that one is "nicer" than the other, but that only means they've successfully finessed you.

 

[CatLady]

How did MS make anything better for any Playstation gamer by buying Bethesda\Zenimax and now Activision Blizzard?

I don't think making things better for PlayStation gamers is a big concern of MS nor should it be.

Their main concern is making money and doing that by making things better for their paying customers which they certainly did. Xbox and PC gamers on Game Pass will now get all those games at no additional charge on Day 1 and Sony will never again be able to block those games nor their additional content and perks from Xbox gamers or Game Pass.

 

[Akuji]

why dont they just hug each other and make a console together with all their games together on it and release everything on every console capable of driving each game?

oh yeah its reality. they are in it to make money.
what enlightenment i had. never before had human kind this level of understanding for reality.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Microsoft claims it ‘simply wouldn’t be profitable’ to make Call of Duty Xbox exclusive​

https://www.videogameschronicle.com...ofitable-to-make-call-of-duty-xbox-exclusive/

 

[Topher]

I don't think making things better for PlayStation gamers is a big concern of MS nor should it be.

Their main concern is making money and doing that by making things better for their paying customers which they certainly did. Xbox and PC gamers on Game Pass will now get all those games at no additional charge on Day 1 and Sony will never again be able to block those games nor their additional content and perks from Xbox gamers or Game Pass.

Correct. Microsoft will be the one who is able to block the game from Sony's services as well as any/all content/perks. And who could blame them? And so who can blame Sony either? Works both ways.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Correct. Microsoft will be the one who is able to block the game from Sony's services as well as any/all content/perks. And who could blame them? And so who can blame Sony either? Works both ways.

It's only okay when my brand does it. Please Understand™

 

[mansoor1980]

Microsoft claims it ‘simply wouldn’t be profitable’ to make Call of Duty Xbox exclusive​

https://www.videogameschronicle.com...ofitable-to-make-call-of-duty-xbox-exclusive/

 

[Bo_Hazem]

MS should take one or two tips from xbox gafers on that matter.

 

[mansoor1980]

MS should take one or two tips from xbox gafers on that matter.

"we ONLY BOUGHT activision cuz we are EXTREMELY worried about evil BOBBY KOTICK and we want to fix toxic gaming culture cuz we hate console warz"

 

[Topher]

Microsoft also pays to keep games away from PS+
FEB 03, 2020
Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two, Pumped BMX Pro, RAGE, and The Jackbox Party Pack 2 will be leaving the service within the next few weeks.
https://www.thegamer.com/xbox-game-pass-removing-games-shadow-tomb-raider/#:~:text=Xbox Game Pass will soon,the best deals in gaming

March 3, 2020

Shadow of the Tomb Raider join PS Now​

https://blog.playstation.com/archiv...lfenstein-ii-join-the-ps4-service-next-month/

How are those examples of MS paying to keep games away from PS+? First link talks about games leaving Game Pass. Second about SoTR coming to PS Now.

 

[MarkMe2525]

How are those examples of MS paying to keep games away from PS+? First link talks about games leaving Game Pass. Second about SoTR coming to PS Now.

I believe silent head was making an assumption based off the fact that SoTR left GamePass in Feb. to then be available on PS Now the following month. I can't claim to know the answer but I don't think this is in any way conclusive evidence to support the claim that MS was paying to keep it off PS Now. We have no insight to the deals that led to this scenario.

 

[mckmas8808]

Or you could pay to block a game from gamepass and call it a marketing agreement.

It's insane that yall actually think that's how any of this works\worked. You'd have to be an Xbox shill to truly believe that. If you are just joking, then I apologize.

 

[hlm666]

Microsoft claims it ‘simply wouldn’t be profitable’ to make Call of Duty Xbox exclusive​

https://www.videogameschronicle.com...ofitable-to-make-call-of-duty-xbox-exclusive/

How do we work out what we should believe? I keep seeing MS say gamepass is profitable/sustainable but no one believes that but we believe this.

Remember when they were forced to let people pick a browser, yeh that didn't last long and in fact it's harder to change your browser in windows now than ever........ so yeh good ole trustworthy MS.

 

[Topher]

I believe the poster was making an assumption based off the fact that SoTR left GamePass in Feb. to then be available on PS Now the following month. I can't claim to know the answer but I don't think this is in any way conclusive evidence to support the claim that MS was paying to keep it off PS Now. We have no insight to the deals that led to this scenario.

Yeah, this isn't an example of that at all. I don't doubt for a second that MS marketing deals stipulate what services the game can and cannot be included on. If Microsoft has a marketing agreement on a game are they really going to let PlayStation brag about that same game coming to PS+? Somehow I don't think so. That's the entire point of a marketing agreement.

 

[DaGwaphics]

How do we work out what we should believe? I keep seeing MS say gamepass is profitable/sustainable but no one believes that but we believe this.

Remember when they were forced to let people pick a browser, yeh that didn't last long and in fact it's harder to change your browser in windows now than ever........ so yeh good ole trustworthy MS.

Activision/Blizzard is quite different than Bethesda in terms of the number of employees and the funds required to keep the CoD machine running vs. the slower development pace of say Starfield or ES. Bethesda was built very much in the image of traditional first-party studios, it's a lot easier to look at that as them just catching up with their competitors on the first-party front. This deal was expected to go different from the beginning and so far MS is sticking to that.