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Microsoft CEO: Xbox Series X|S Has Outsold PS5 in NA for 3 Qtrs in a Row. Sales tracking ahead of 360.

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ManaByte

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Xbox not charging $70 for new/remakes in the middle of a recession while also having Gamepass probably helps a ton. NGL the salt in this thread gets me a little hard.

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$60 next gen games.
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You're just in denial at this point.

XSS hasn't gone out of stock in over a year.

PS5 was barely in stock until recently. Sony said they were going to ship more units this upcoming fiscal year and the results are sowing.

PS5 was second in Units in June


This was a bigger increase over last year, which proves stock issues.


In May, Matt Mention Supply constraints and didn't include XSS. Xbox was the only console showing YoY dollar growth, which again proves my point.




In the UK, stock levels were reported. Somehow you believe this is a myth.


Stock were low from Jan - March, but the PS5 started winning ever since the stock picked up?



Stay in denial. lol




You apparently can't read because the "Myth" I was referring to was that the Series S was leading Xbox Series sales. not that the PS5 was supply constrained, which the X also is.

The separate subject of the PS5 stock issues, which are not the reason why Xbox outsold it, is addressed here: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/micr...g-ahead-of-360.1639555/page-10#post-266419901 post#498 free to address that post if you disagree.
 
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You can even get a console included with game pass if you lock up for two years with all access or whatever its called.

Can't beat that entry price.
Exactly what I did. There was no difference between buying it outright or going on a plan for 2 years. Added that beauty to my cell/mobile bill and off we went. Why outlay the capital if there's no surcharge for a monthly payment. Smart move by Xbox and even better to bundle it with your ISP or phone carrier too.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Exactly what I did. There was no difference between buying it outright or going on a plan for 2 years. Added that beauty to my cell/mobile bill and off we went. Why outlay the capital if there's no surcharge for a monthly payment. Smart move by Xbox and even better to bundle it with your ISP or phone carrier too.
I am thinking about doing this myself within a couple of months.

I would just fear a little if a new revision came in a year while you were still subbing lol
 

Lognor

Banned
You continue to jump to conclusions without having any "real" insight to back up what your saying. Assuming the series S is mainly responsible for Xbox's success without having the hard numbers of Series S and X sold doesn't make sense. Also not factoring in the supply issues of the PS5 also doesn't make sense.

The digital PS5 is about $100 more than the Series S which isn't that much of a price difference when you consider the DE PS5 has more space and its a much more powerful console than the series S. So I don't think price is much of a factor here. The supply issues is definitely the main factor in why the PS5 is being outsold right now. You have to also factor in the crazy demand for PS5, I don't even think it would have helped if Sony created a Series S type edition.

Don't get me wrong, Xbox does deserve more success with the Series consoles compared to Xbox one because they have provided more value with these new consoles but the sale comparisons don't make sense right now for Xbox series vs PS5 again because the supply output isn't the same.
I am factoring in the supply issues with the ps5. Sony didn't have the foresight (or luck if you want to call it that) to make an easy to manufacture console like Microsoft did. That's on Sony and MS capitalized on it. They were able to keep series s consoles on store shelves while it was impossible to find a series x or ps5. Great move by ms, whether or not it was luck!

As for the price differences, you have a moot point about the discless ps5 since it's as hard to find as the ps5! And you shouldn't compare the cost of the series s to the ps5 de. Compare it to their big brother. $200 less for the xss vs picky $100 less for the discless ps5. Big difference there!

Of course a series s type of ps5 would have helped Sony move more consoles! The processor in it would be similar to the series s processor which is not as much in demand.
 

Lognor

Banned
No they aren't. Why you lying?
What are you taking about? You seem to be clueless. The xsx regularly comes in and out of stock. Not so much with the ps5. So ms IS doing a better job of meeting demand with their supply. Not sure how you can argue otherwise... simple supply and demand
 

Menzies

Banned
If that's the case why did Microsoft almost abandon the Xbox brand after its disaster of a launch?

Pretty sure Spencer is more in the know about this than you.
He's referring to the launch sales.

Following the momentum of the 360 and Kinect, Xbox One had great launch sales.

The Xbox One launch 'presentation' i.e. sharing games and decisions with bundling Kinect etc. have been universally panned as disastrous that set back the brand though.
 

Lognor

Banned
Salty about what? You said:




When somebody said PS5s are sold out.
I replied saying production of PS5s are greater than Series S + Series X combined so they are doing a greater job on the supply chain. Then you started talking about it being bullshit and asking about a source. Instead what about you provide a source for your claim that MS has overcome their supply issues or what they have been successful at in the supply chain and what you think it says about sony? What does it say other than the fact that Sony produce more units even with the bigger chip?
But Sony is not doing a better job managing the supply chain issues if they're not meeting demand. Ms is doing a better job of meeting demand, hence they're doing a better job on the supply side. Simple supply and demand.
 

DForce

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You apparently can't read because the "Myth" I was referring to was that the Series S was leading Xbox Series sales. not that the PS5 was supply constrained, which the X also is.

No, the reading problem is on your end.

Still seeing supply constraints on HW, particularly PS5 and Xbox Series X.

Xbox Series S is not supply constrained, which only means that the console leading the charge within the past year is in fact the Xbox Series S.

Pay attention.

Corndog
Doesn’t mean much since ps5 is supply constrained.

Your response.

Eddie Griffin
So is Series X.
Explain how Sony outshipped Xbox until late last year?

This is an easy excuse because you choose to ignore facts. Xbox Series X has supply issues but not the Xbox Series S. This means the likelihood of outselling the PS5 (which had supply issues) was high.

There's no ignoring this fact.

Let's continue.

Eddie Griffin
They ere outshipping Xbox nearly this Whole console cycle until recently, this doesn't work.

Also the XSS has no relevance, the belief it's the biggest selling console or is mostly responsible for sales has no basis. But the belief in that myth is why people are so mad about the S and want to split its sales.

Xbox has relevance. Every analysis points out that the Xbox Series S is a major factor in Xbox sales.

Here's something you don't get.

Sony shipped consoles that were sold out as soon as they were made available to consumers.
Xbox shipped BOTH Xbox Series S and X consoles and the Xbox Series S console is the only one that remained in stock.

Despite shipping fewer consoles through that period, Xbox Series S consoles were sitting on shelves WHILE getting more inventory in stock.

So if PlayStation 5 sells out every single console available during that period and the Xbox console remains in stock 24/7, then yes, it is a stock issue. Sony sold all the consoles that were available, yet Microsoft didn't.


This is very obvious that no one should even have to explain this.

The separate subject of the PS5 stock issues, which are not the reason why Xbox outsold it, is addressed here: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/micr...g-ahead-of-360.1639555/page-10#post-266419901 post#498 free to address that post if you disagree.

I just addressed it.

Explain to me how Xbox was winning these past quarter while the PlayStation 5 sold out and the Xbox Series S console was always available.

Based on your logic, if it shipped more then that means it should have sold more, right? Your logic makes no sense.
 

BlackTron

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You continue to jump to conclusions without having any "real" insight to back up what your saying. Assuming the series S is mainly responsible for Xbox's success without having the hard numbers of Series S and X sold doesn't make sense. Also not factoring in the supply issues of the PS5 also doesn't make sense.

The digital PS5 is about $100 more than the Series S which isn't that much of a price difference when you consider the DE PS5 has more space and its a much more powerful console than the series S. So I don't think price is much of a factor here. The supply issues is definitely the main factor in why the PS5 is being outsold right now. You have to also factor in the crazy demand for PS5, I don't even think it would have helped if Sony created a Series S type edition.

Don't get me wrong, Xbox does deserve more success with the Series consoles compared to Xbox one because they have provided more value with these new consoles but the sale comparisons don't make sense right now for Xbox series vs PS5 again because the supply output isn't the same.

I agree with you that the biggest factor in MS favor is the lack of PS5 systems, the supply issues created a situation they could take advantage of. However I disagree that if Sony had made their own "PS5 Series S" that it would not have made a difference. MS moved tons of Series S because it was cheap and on the shelf when people had to accept they weren't getting a PS5. You can say we don't have data of S vs X sales but those of us living on the real world with any sort of practical sense or wisdom could simply see that the big systems didn't exist and there were ample Series S stock to purchase. Switch and Series S racked up big sales during the worst of covid when full on next gen just didn't exist to buy. I don't know if you were there, but I was. Had Sony done the same with a version of PS5 with a gimped GPU they could actually make, the difference would be colossal.

All that being said, this is a legitimate accomplishment for Xbox and just because Sony didn't take that strategy doesn't mean that Xbox didn't sell more than PS. It's perfectly viable because in the long game PS5 could well overtake XB *because* of this strategy. It could end up positioning Sony better in a year or two, while MS with the S just had it's prime time saving the world from covid boredom. We don't know yet of course but if we are going to count when PS5 overtakes it later because they stuck to their guns on one spec, then we have to hand it to MS for doing well right now because they made two.
 

MikeM

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Lead in NA will only grow with more and more people having to look every penny.

Buying a PS5 for $549 and a game for $69 vs buying a Series S for $299 and 3 months of Game Pass for $1
That's an easy decision.


I'm not even sure anymore if I'll upgrade from Series S to Series X within this generation.
What happens after three months tho? $1 again?
 

Elginer

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Happy for them! Hope they continue to sell well and invest in more big games. Sony is doing awesome with it and I believe next year will be great for Xbox next year.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You can even get a console included with game pass if you lock up for two years with all access or whatever its called.

Can't beat that entry price.

That plan is great for anyone who wants an entry point into next gen with the least amount of hassle and worry, but honestly you can save a lot of money over it if you get just the console and use the 3 year GPU conversion.
 
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Kagey K

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You can even get a console included with game pass if you lock up for two years with all access or whatever its called.

Can't beat that entry price.
The fact that all access is interest free and has no premium price on it baffles me.

MS is getting the exact same amount of money but overtime instead of upfront. Usually businesses (Rent to own) bleed you out the ass to pay for stuff in payments.
 
Here you are lying pulling things out your ass already.


Which has nothing to do with the post I replied to. Dial back your fanboyism.


This never happened, they only gave up on funding Jrpgs because they weren't selling anywhere, not just in Japan, even with familiar names, MS was still trying in Japan and still had Japanese exclusive, some only released in Japan.



Sony was outshipping Xbox even in NA most of the console cycle so far, which means the only thing that changed even with PS5 productivity becomingbetter, was MS finding a way to produce more units over time until they ended up outshipping the PS5. In NA this is quite interesting because with PS5 production increasing, the Xbox production of the X was increasing at a higher rate, and people were still buying those consoles with those gradual increases, this means you can't actually blame supply constraints for PS5 sales in the three months MS won, because consumers were buying Series X as its production increase over time until it passed the production levels of the PS5.

This simply means that the demand was actually higher in NA for the X and not the PS5, otherwise the PS5 should have produced a much bigger gap in NA to the Xbox Series consoles in sales, and would also mean there should be MANY Xbox Series X on the shelves, Xbox One Titanfall levels, or launch Xbox One edition levels, if the PS5 demand was higher, and MS's increase in production wasn't based on it's own demand. But there isn't, it's still supply constrained, with the few places having a bit better supply, still greatly below what would be considered "normal" stock levels.

Even in Japan the X is supply constrained. As well as several other countries.

If your scenario actually made sense, and the PS5 supply constrained line held merit, than it would end up like Sweden or Spain, where the X was initially supply constrained, but as stock improved the demand wasn't there so when the X did produce more than the PS5 it resulted in a glut of stock, which is why both countries have shipments form last year still sitting on the shelves, while the PS5 is still hard to get.

In many other countries, and especially in NA, it's not the case, the X was behind PS5 production, and yet the gap wasn't very wide in several of them, and then over time since launch the Xbox Series X production and shipments increased, and people were still buying the Series X as soon as it came in, then finally, the Series X outproduced the PS5, and is still mostly supply constrained.

If what the common excuse in this thread was true, there would not be any supply constraints, the X wouldn't be selling much, and the PS5 wouldn't be a a very very very small lead away from being passed by the Xbox Series consoles in general in NA.

PS4 was supply constrained in NA and many other countries as an example, the Xbox One was initially supply constrained and was outshipped by the PS4, but the Xbox One (unlike the Xbox Series) more quickly ended up producing more and outshipping the PS4, and what did we see in NA and in other places as a result? piles of unsold Xbox Ones, in store shelves, in back rooms, on pallets in the middle of the floor.

This isn't even happening with the S model. But it's definitely not happening with the X model which is still supply constrained.

This is why the excuse of "PS5 is still supply constrained and if it wasn't it's be a blow out" is complete nonsense, and doesn't add up.
You’ve typed a lot of words that are besides the point. Lets keep it simple.

Premise 1. Ps5 is still supply constrained overall including NA.
Premise 2. Ps5 has had a bigger supply of units than XS over the last quarter (if not also higher demand).
Premise 3. XSX is shipping much more % of its supply to one market (NA) than it’s supply limited but broader geographical competition the ps5.

The conclusion follows necessarily regarding that region…
This is course due to PlayStation being severely limited in supply and Xbox having less demand in other regions.

There should be nothing to brag about here vs the new PlayStation. The XS sales are able to almost keep up with PS5 in supply and that supply has far fewer overseas customers than PS5. Which will lead to greater sales in that one and only one region. Sony being supply constrained in NA means that MS is just bragging about allotment.

Edit. And since MS is counting Series S in these numbers you should know those S models are sitting on the shelves in NA and so overall they aren’t really all that supply limited the way PS5 is.
 
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Kagey K

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You’ve typed a lot of words that are besides the point. Lets keep it simple.

Premise 1. Ps5 is still supply constrained overall including NA.
Premise 2. Ps5 has had a bigger supply of units than XS over the last quarter (if not also higher demand).
Premise 3. XSX is shipping much more % of its supply to one market (NA) than it’s supply limited but broader geographical competition the ps5.

The conclusion follows necessarily regarding that region…


There should be nothing to brag about here vs the new PlayStation. The XS sales are able to almost keep up with PS5 in supply and that supply has far fewer overseas customers than PS5. Which will lead to greater sales in that one and only one region. Sony being supply constrained in NA means that MS is just bragging about allotment.
Why are you forgetting months where Xbox outsold PS5 in those regions this year?

Where did that stock come from if they are only shipping to NA?

There seems to be some holes in your theories.
 

pasterpl

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Regardless my friend, every single time Xbox releases series x in Australia it takes FAR longer for them to sell out than PS5 consoles. How are any of us to know these numbers? Same argument could be leveled at Microsoft spouting off these sales numbers and not telling us their allocations are far bigger than anywhere else around the world, hence their sales numbers in the USA. Point is, PS5 is so scarce that anyone bragging about another console selling more than it is stupid, and anyone who believes this Microsoft bullshit makes them younger than a 7 year old.
thats some statement, do you have any scientific data actually confirming it, or any data showing how long it takes to sell single unit of each platform? if not, its another case of tales from your ass. My advice, take a break from this thread and please 🙏 stop making up shit based on your personal feeling on how the market operates.
 

Kagey K

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thats some statement, do you have any scientific data actually confirming it, or any data showing how long it takes to sell single unit of each platform? if not, its another case of tales from your ass. My advice, take a break from this thread and please 🙏 stop making up shit based on your personal feeling on how the market operates.
This thread shows most ppl are full of shit and how easy it is to actually get one. No matter what country you are in.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/where-is-the-ps5-stock.1639429/
 
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pasterpl

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I love how "good Xbox news" is gaming revenue being down 7 % and hardware sales being down 11 % year over year. Talk about low expectations in life. I have to wonder what would be considered as bad news at this point.

And I know times have been tough for the green team, but partying about stock levels is kinda sad.

yet you ignoring the fact that they have outsold competing next gen system 3 quarters in the row and report highest ever gaming revenue for the full year (their fiscal year ended already). So while Q4 was slightly down overall 2022 was excellent. Shareholders responded positively with ms stock going 5%.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...guidance-resilience-azure-cloud-growth-2022-7

Sony releases their numbers today, I am assuming that their hardware sales will be down a bit more than Ms, based purely on ms outselling ps in couple of key markets. Obviously you will be in that thread posting multiple times that it was horrible quarter for Sony. And there is no way to spin this in a good news, regardless of reasons for decrease etc. unless you are simply trolling and a team blue rat trying to de-rail Xbox thread.
 

pasterpl

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I love how "good Xbox news" is gaming revenue being down 7 % and hardware sales being down 11 % year over year. Talk about low expectations in life. I have to wonder what would be considered as bad news at this point.

And I know times have been tough for the green team, but partying about stock levels is kinda sad.

yet you ignoring the fact that they have outsold competing next gen system 3 quarters in the row and report highest ever gaming revenue for the full year (their fiscal year ended already). So while Q4 was slightly down overall 2022 was excellent. Shareholders responded positively with ms stock going 5%.
 

Kagey K

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yet you ignoring the fact that they have outsold competing next gen system 3 quarters in the row and report highest ever gaming revenue for the full year (their fiscal year ended already). So while Q4 was slightly down overall 2022 was excellent. Shareholders responded positively with ms stock going 5%.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...guidance-resilience-azure-cloud-growth-2022-7

Sony releases their numbers today, I am assuming that their hardware sales will be down a bit more than Ms, based purely on ms outselling ps in couple of key markets. Obviously you will be in that thread posting multiple times that it was horrible quarter for Sony. And there is no way to spin this in a good news, regardless of reasons for decrease etc. unless you are simply trolling and a team blue rat trying to de-rail Xbox thread.
Sonys saving grace will be the dollar pushing hard. They might be able to report revenue growth because of currency conversion if they sold enough in the US and UK.

The rest will likely look bad.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
The fact that all access is interest free and has no premium price on it baffles me.

MS is getting the exact same amount of money but overtime instead of upfront. Usually businesses (Rent to own) bleed you out the ass to pay for stuff in payments.

That’s a small price to pay to tie you to their ecosystem. And it’s very likely that most folks with Gamepass will stay and resub when their 2 years run out.
 

DenchDeckard

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You're just in denial at this point.

XSS hasn't gone out of stock in over a year.

PS5 was barely in stock until recently. Sony said they were going to ship more units this upcoming fiscal year and the results are sowing.

PS5 was second in Units in June


This was a bigger increase over last year, which proves stock issues.


In May, Matt Mention Supply constraints and didn't include XSS. Xbox was the only console showing YoY dollar growth, which again proves my point.




In the UK, stock levels were reported. Somehow you believe this is a myth.


Stock were low from Jan - March, but the PS5 started winning ever since the stock picked up?



Stay in denial. lol




So xbox is in second place in USA and UK for 2022 so far? I'm sure this will turn around by Xmas thanks to god of war and last of us but man, what an achievement for xbox considering the weak line up this year.

That means Europe and the rest ofmthe world gotta pump up those numbers for Sony. I would never have expected close to the two largest markets being xbox lead for over 6 months in a row.

I'm sure Sony will pull it back but I'm surprised there's people trying to spin that Microsoft are doing anything but performing extremely well.
 

Calverz

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If it keeps going like this, then I can see ps5 getting a revision soon. Cheaper model to get more of them out. Like a slim or pro model with cheaper parts. I can’t see Jim Ryan being happy about this.
 

PaintTinJr

Member
I can literally buy a ps5 right now from argos and go and pick it up in the UK. Its been in stock for days.
Only as a bundle with HFW over the price of the unbundled console that is out of stock - which was £449 that I paid Argos at launch.

My issue with XsS being next-gen, is that in the overlap of those that buy a PS5 and an XsS, they won't ever check a faceoff when deciding to buy a SP game - that isn't in a marketing deal - because at price parity they will always buy the PS5 version - and they clearly have no issue with one pad over the other as they bought a PS and XB console. So,, unlike had they bough both big boy next-gen consoles, where the choice of which system to buy on is a genuine question, even if XsS sold the same as PS5, the software sales for sports games, etc won't ever split that way with the hardware IMHO.
 
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Markio128

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This thread is hilarious. Both Sony and MS are selling consoles as best they can, end of. However, to suggest that Series is more popular in the US is shortsighted. Just because MS have sold more of their consoles in the US, PS5 have sold more worldwide, so it isn’t a clear supply issue as Sony have clearly supplied more consoles overall.
 

Alan Wake

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I take some issue with characterizing Series X|S as one console for reasons that have already been debated in the past but congratulations, nonetheless. They’ve definitely instituted fresh ideas that have allowed them to be much more successful in comparison to the prior generation.

Edit: Why so many triggered reactions? I think Xbox is doing great atm. Just think the X and the S, while both next gen consoles, are different enough that they segment the market. Different situation than PS5 disc/digital.
Today they call it a "family" of consoles, meaning Xbox Series S and X, PS5 and PS5 Digital, and all the different Switch models are bundled together in the statistics. Fair enough, I'd say, although it's always interesting to see how the different SKU's are doing respectively.
 

Alan Wake

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Series X is the most incredible -hardware wise- console I have ever seen in action. The little motherfucker is nothing short of a beast.

edit: PS5 is amazing as well and got similar vibes when use it, just in case. Its just the form factor that hurts my existence.
I think that PS5 has more of a "next-gen" feel to it with the new controller, improved UI and, well, the design (even if I hate it). Xbox Series X just feels like another Xbox One X, controller and UI are basically the same. It's a smooth transition, but also a little boring. Having said that, Series X is my main console.
 
I think that PS5 has more of a "next-gen" feel to it with the new controller, improved UI and, well, the design (even if I hate it). Xbox Series X just feels like another Xbox One X, controller and UI are basically the same. It's a smooth transition, but also a little boring. Having said that, Series X is my main console.

Yeah I wish Series X had a different UI. One thing I wish they would do is a better layout for themes with music like on PlayStation (with the option to turn it off of course)
 

truth411

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This thread is meaningless, Sales don't mean Jack because PS5s are still sold out. All this means is that MS was able to get more Xboxs (especially the series S) on store shelves, that's it, nothing else. It has absolutely everything to do with supply and nothing to do with demand. /Thread.
 

Jadsey

Member
They lumped the PS4/PS4 Pro, the XBOS/XBOX, the Switch/Lite/OLED, the PS5/PS5DE, but as soon as the XSS/XSX is lumped together it's a problem.
That's a good point actually...I withdraw my previous statement :messenger_hushed:

It's funny how the rules change depending on if your preferred plastic vendor is being shown in a positive light or not 🤔

Back down warrior...I spend most of my gaming time on my XSX :messenger_winking:
 
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