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[//DEVIL//]

So what happened to Microsoft not caring about hardware console sales?

I am not sure why I am being quoted in this. But when a company wants to stream your games on your phone, that company isn't really about the sales of Xbox as a hardware.

With that being said, this is all marketing. Bet your ass they will shout it from the roof top if they were number 1 in sales.

Like, what do you want them to say when they are not ? " Oh yeah we are losing and we getting our ass kicked" ?

 

[Stuart360]

So what happened to Microsoft not caring about hardware console sales?

Well they never said that, people on forums like this said that. Even Phil himself says hardware sales are important to them because Gamepass is primarily a game download service that needs hardware.
What they DID say in 2014 when they stopped giving out numbers was that simple hardware numbers are not as important measure of 'success' as they used to be as there are way more ways these days to make money on a console than simply game sales and selling an extra controller like it was with earlier gens.

 

[Bonfires Down]

I think with the kinect surge and the fact that 360 was slow in the first year it would be difficult to outsell the 360 but "lifetime" could mean something else nowadays. What if we get a xbox Series X2 years from now and a Series X3 5years from now? Generations seem to be dead and crossgen being prolonged.

I agree, Microsoft will likely start doing more fluid Apple-type generations so it will be hard to decide how much a ”proper” generation has actually sold.

 

[Stuart360]

I am not sure why I am being quoted in this. But when a company wants to stream your games on your phone, that company isn't really about the sales of Xbox as hardware.

With that being said, this is all marketing. Bet your ass they will shout it from the roof top if they were number 1 in sales.

Like, what do you want them to say when they are not ? " Oh yeah we are losing and we getting our ass kicked" ?

Phil said they wouldnt. Whether you belive him or not is another matter but he literally said in an interview about 2 months before XSS/XSX launch thet no they wont be giving out console sales numbers, even if they were 'winning'.

 

[Punished Miku]

I am not sure why I am being quoted in this. But when a company wants to stream your games on your phone, that company isn't really about the sales of Xbox as hardware.

With that being said, this is all marketing. Bet your ass they will shout it from the roof top if they were number 1 in sales.

Like, what do you want them to say when they are not ? " Oh yeah we are losing and we getting our ass kicked" ?

Seems super obvious. They nearly closed Xbox down last gen. But I guess this is some huge gotcha. Like, everyone knows their last console bombed.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Outsell the 360 in the US?

360 was a monster in the US, it sold 47 million. It’s in the Top 3 best-selling consoles in the US, ever.

I agree my wording was confusing. I don’t think the Series will outsell the 360 in the US, although I think it will get close. But worldwide it will outsell the 360.

 

[CatLady]

People are actually trying to say the XSX and S should be tracked differently now. Lol

They sure are. It seems a certain group of people are really upset with this news and this thread. It started with this idiotic post:

Yep. The Series S should be tracked separately. That would give a more accurate picture of their sales.


That's a lie but if it makes you feel better, keep deluding yourself.

The Series S doesn't even deserve to be called "next gen". It's an iterative half step up from the One X that is already struggling on some games two years into its lifespan. The specs of the Series S put it in a generational status all it's own and has no business being counted alongside the same sales numbers as the actual next gen Series X.

Then it seems this became the new narrative to downplay Xbox Series positive news. It's been repeated ad nauseum in this thread.

 

[Lognor]

Wow, more great news from Microsoft and Xbox!

How are people spinning this as bad news now?

 

[Jinzo Prime]

This entire thread be like:

 

[Fbh]

Nice.
Hopefully they keep winning. Make Sony feel that pressure, they've grown way too complacent after the success of the Ps4.

 

[mckmas8808]

It was mentioned as a part of the earnings call, they need to appease the shareholders.

Which means..........those numbers matter to those people and others.

I don't care about what you consider next-gen or not.

I know for sure they are not comparable machines at all...

Do you like embarrassing yourself or something? They are both next-gen consoles.

 

[Lognor]

Xbox always on shelves, ps5 always sold out.

That says something about Sony. They haven't been able to overcome their supply chain issues. Microsoft is still having issues, but have been much more successful at this.

And I've said it before but the Series S was an absolutely brilliant move by Microsoft! They've been able to produce a ton of units to keep up with demand because of the less in-demand chip they're using in the Series S. Sony should have gone a similar route. The PS5 and PS5 discless version are too similar and thus they're both facing supply issues. It's going to be painful for a bit longer for Sony. Maybe by the end of next year they will be better equipped to meet demand. In the interim Microsoft will continue to gobble up market share.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Do you like embarrassing yourself or something? They are both next-gen consoles.

Who are you, again???

 

[Kenshin775]

Subscriptions will matter more in the long run but good for MS doing great on console sales. Next 2 quarters will be big for console sales as all the FIFA and Madden players will be looking to upgrade to next gen.

 

[mckmas8808]

I am not sure why I am being quoted in this. But when a company wants to stream your games on your phone, that company isn't really about the sales of Xbox as hardware.

With that being said, this is all marketing. Bet your ass they will shout it from the roof top if they were number 1 in sales.

Like, what do you want them to say when they are not ? " Oh yeah we are losing and we getting our ass kicked" ?

For a company that isn't really about the sales of Xbox as hardware.......it's weird that the same company would release two (not one) next-gen consoles at launch. You don't find that to be weird, if you believe they don't care about hardware?

I just want them to talk about console sales, regardless if they are selling well or not.

Well they never said that, people on forums like this said that. Even Phil himself says hardware sales are important to them because Gamepass is primarily a game download service that needs hardware.
What they DID say in 2014 when they stopped giving out numbers was that simple hardware numbers are not as important measure of 'success' as they used to be as there are way more ways these days to make money on a console than simply game sales and selling an extra controller like it was with earlier gens.

Can you explain this to some more people on GAF too then? Because some people are still confused about this.

 

[Three]

That says something about Sony. They haven't been able to overcome their supply chain issues. Microsoft is still having issues, but have been much more successful at this.

MS has lower production than Sony every single month oh clueless one. Funny how you talk about MS overcoming supply issues here but were talking about worse supply issues this past quarter as a reason for declining sales.

 

[Stuart360]

Can you explain this to some more people on GAF too then? Because some people are still confused about this.

People are not confused though, they just twist what they said in 2014 to mean 'we dont care about console sales anymore' when they didnt say that at all.

 

[Lognor]

MS has lower production than Sony every single month oh clueless one. Funny how you talk about MS overcoming supply issues here but were talking about worse supply issues this past quarter as a reason for declining sales.

Source on that?

Back your shit up if you are going to make such claims.

And Microsoft HAS improved their supply in the last quarter. What are you on about?

I figured you would be one of those trying to spin this very positive news as negative. So I'm not surprised. Do I even want to look at your post history to see how you've tried to spin this? lol

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Wow, more great news from Microsoft and Xbox!

How are people spinning this as bad news now?

No one is spinning this into bad news lol.

People just see it for what it is. A sneaky way for MS to gain positive news from people who are unaware of the supply issues the PS5 is facing.

Personally I own and enjoy both consoles but I hate to see bullshit PR stunts like this from either company.

That says something about Sony. They haven't been able to overcome their supply chain issues. Microsoft is still having issues, but have been much more successful at this.

And I've said it before but the Series S was an absolutely brilliant move by Microsoft! They've been able to produce a ton of units to keep up with demand because of the less in-demand chip they're using in the Series S. Sony should have gone a similar route. The PS5 and PS5 discless version are too similar and thus they're both facing supply issues. It's going to be painful for a bit longer for Sony. Maybe by the end of next year they will be better equipped to meet demand. In the interim Microsoft will continue to gobble up market share.

This^ post/ reasoning is exactly why the MS CEO made that statement....

What you said about market share is simply not the case at all, just look at the conversations on social media. No one is talking about games on Xbox like the other brands. They will not make progress on market share without releasing better content.

The Series S being $300 doesn't even anything if one cares about the games available on the console. People have other options, no one has $300 burning a hole in their pocket especially in these times.

 

[Three]

Source on that?

Back your shit up if you are going to make such claims.

And Microsoft HAS improved their supply in the last quarter. What are you on about?

I figured you would be one of those trying to spin this very positive news as negative. So I'm not surprised. Do I even want to look at your post history to see how you've tried to spin this? lol

You really need a source? PS5 has outsold xbox globally every single month with at least 1.5x higher production.

So if MS have improved supply last quarter why were you using it as an excuse as to why xbox hardware sales declined last quarter 11% YoY and 5.3% on the previous quarter in the other thread? Its because you flip flop logic for papa MS. You can look at my post history if you like and see if you find anything interesting but I don't even need to look at yours, everyone knows you're the MS nut.

 

[MScarpa]

Probably, but that still doesn't mean it's the only market that matters.

Who said it was the only market that matters? If I did, my apologies. For better or worse, the world revolves around the United States, and the most important market is NA.

 

[Javthusiast]

I take some issue with characterizing Series X|S as one console for reasons that have already been debated in the past but congratulations, nonetheless.

 

[Jimmyisback]

Ms is truly firing on all cylinders right now. They pretty much have something for everyone. If your want the most powerful console that exist right now, series x has you covered. If you want the most affordable series s. There is so much to look forward to. Future streaming stick hasn't even been announced. Game pass continues to grow even without their major hitters coming out yet. The only thing missing is the cadence of continuous releases. Ms should go for more acquisitions.

 

[Lognor]

No one is spinning this into bad news lol.

People just see it for what it is. A sneaky way for MS to gain positive news from people who are unaware of the supply issues the PS5 is facing.

Personally I own and enjoy both consoles but I hate to see bullshit PR stunts like this from either company.


This^ post/ reasoning is exactly why the MS CEO made that statement....

What you said about market share is simply not the case at all, just look at the conversations on social media. No one is talking about games on Xbox like the other brands. They will not make progress on market share without releasing better content.

MS being sneaky? LOL! By giving FACTS? Hmm...okay, that's a new one.

The XSX and PS5 are BOTH facing supply issues. Microsoft had the foresight to develop the Series S though that is easier to manufacture right now. Sony did not have the same foresight. Removing the disc in the PS5 did not make it easier to manufacture. And in fact, you can see that Sony is manufacturing far fewer of the disc less version.

And Microsoft IS gaining market share. How can you argue against that? The Xbox One was a disaster for Microsoft. Sony controlled the market (unless Nintendo came along with the Switch and the tide shifted). The XSX is doing far better than the Xbox One and that has to be to the detriment of Sony. It has to be. People are deciding to buy a Series console over a PS5, not a Switch.

You really need a source? PS5 has outsold xbox globally every single month with at least 1.5x higher production.

So if MS have improved supply last quarter why were you using it as an excuse as to why xbox hardware sales declined 11% YoY and 5.3% on the previous quarter in the other thread? Its because you flip flop logic for papa MS. You can look at my post history if you like and see if you find anything interesting but I don't even need to look at yours, everyone knows you're the MS nut.

So you were talking out of your ass and have no source? Got it! Figured as much.

 

[DaGwaphics]

What you said about market share is simply not the case at all, just look at the conversations on social media. No one is talking about games on Xbox like the other brands. They will not make progress on market share without releasing better content.

MS just outsold their competitor in the NA market 3 quarters in a row (equals market share increase in that market). Xbox Series globally is much closer to PS than at this same time in the X1 generation (equals a global market share increase).

Seems like it's already happening there skipper.

 

[Kagey K]

MS just outsold their competitor in the NA market 3 quarters in a row (equals market share increase in that market). Xbox Series globally is much closer to PS than at this same time in the X1 generation (equals a global market share increase).

Seems like it's already happening there skipper.

There's also been months where it outsold the PS5 in the UK and weeks in Japan during that time, but they are only shipping to NA, makes perfect sense in some ppl's heads I suppose.

 

[Three]

So you were talking out of your ass and have no source? Got it! Figured as much.

I have your aaron greenberg source of VGChartz but how can you have an official source when MS do not release official figures? It doesn't take a genius to understand that Sony are producing more PS5s than MS is xboxes when the PS5 is outselling it 1.5x normally though.

Edit - Also why are you always triggered by stuff?

 

[Dynasty8]

Series X and S should be counted as the same...not sure why people are being so stubborn about this. Both came out same exact time/console generation, both can play the same games, both use same controllers, etc.

That's like saying the PS5 Disc version and Digital version should be counted separately. Should we separate the Switch and the Switch OLED too?

 

[Lognor]

I have your aaron greenberg source of VGChartz but how can you have an official source when MS do not release official figures? It doesn't take a genius to understand that Sony are producing more PS5s than MS is when the PS5 is outselling it 1.5x normally.

So you can't prove it. Got it. We know the Series S is readily available so if MS is able to manufacture a ton of these their total production between the Series S and X may be higher. Can you prove otherwise?

And also, even if Sony is producing more, they are still having bigger supply issues than Microsoft because they're not meeting demand. Microsoft isn't either due to the limited supply of Series X consoles, but they're doing a much better job. And this goes back to what a brilliant move it was by Microsoft to develop the Series S. If Sony had a similar type of PS5 that was easier to manufacture they would be better equipped to meet demand. Right now they're not. And that's a huge boon to Microsoft.

 

[Topher]

They sure are. It seems a certain group of people are really upset with this news and this thread. It started with this idiotic post:


Then it seems this became the new narrative to downplay Xbox Series positive news. It's been repeated ad nauseum in this thread.

I agree. I'd love to see folks like NPD report actual numbers for each model like Famitsu does, but breaking out XSS and XSX doesn't change the fact that Xbox as a whole is doing very well. That's what Nadella is saying ultimately and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Series X and S should be counted as the same...not sure why people are being so stubborn about this. Both came out same exact time/console generation, both can play the same games, both use same controllers, etc.

That's like saying the PS5 Disc version and Digital version should be counted separately. Should we separate the Switch and the Switch OLED too?

These same folks have zero issue lumping the PS4/PS4 Pro together, LOL.

 

[Urban]

Didn’t they say that sold units don’t matter anymore and that’s why they don’t give any number ?

 

[Topher]

Series X and S should be counted as the same...not sure why people are being so stubborn about this. Both came out same exact time/console generation, both can play the same games, both use same controllers, etc.

That's like saying the PS5 Disc version and Digital version should be counted separately. Should we separate the Switch and the Switch OLED too?

They can be counted either way. As a brand or models in the same family combined or as individual models. Neither is wrong.

 

[RoadHazard]

Who said it was the only market that matters? If I did, my apologies. For better or worse, the world revolves around the United States, and the most important market is NA.

My point was that PlayStation is more popular than Xbox in most countries outside NA, and those countries together make up a bigger market(s) than NA (or at least a comparable one), so Sony has to spread their available units out more since there's greater demand for the PS5 in most of the world. MS wouldn't want to over-deliver to those markets and have a lot of units sitting on shelves (that's already the case with the S), which could explain why they are doing better at meeting demand in NA than Sony.

 

[PisswasserYellow]

Why do some of you get upset over this shit? This kind of competition is good for all of us gamers.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

I agree my wording was confusing. I don’t think the Series will outsell the 360 in the US, although I think it will get close. But worldwide it will outsell the 360.

Agreed, worldwide won't be hard to pull off

Xbox up until now has been functionally non-existent in Japan, and Sony's had an iron grip on Europe. With the stock shortages, Msoft has the chance to gain some share outside the US, for sure. Personally, I think XSX is a great console, and I'm very happy to see it doing so well. I had an Xbox One and thought the way Msoft turned things around starting in 2015 was awesome.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Phil said they wouldnt. Whether you belive him or not is another matter but he literally said in an interview about 2 months before XSS/XSX launch thet no they wont be giving out console sales numbers, even if they were 'winning'.

Honestly if anyone here believe marketing spins whatever it's Sony or MS, then it's on them for being idiots (with all respect to everyone)

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Phil said they wouldnt. Whether you belive him or not is another matter but he literally said in an interview about 2 months before XSS/XSX launch thet no they wont be giving out console sales numbers, even if they were 'winning'.

 

[SteelCurtain 59]

They are console exclusives. Same with God of War, Days Gone, etc.

So they are exclusives? Good to know

 

[//DEVIL//]

For a company that isn't really about the sales of Xbox as hardware.......it's weird that the same company would release two (not one) next-gen consoles at launch. You don't find that to be weird, if you believe they don't care about hardware?

I just want them to talk about console sales, regardless if they are selling well or not.



Can you explain this to some more people on GAF too then? Because some people are still confused about this.

What they did was release 2 SKUs. A powerful one for hardcore and wants the best, and a second one that will play the same games but less details etc.

This is not called weird it's called smart. Just like AMD and NVIDIA. Release a 3080 and a 3060. Increase your audiance based on their budget. Not everyone can spent a 600$ on a console after tax.

Some people want a console that plays the latest games for their kids ( guess what console my 7 years old has ? Yup it's an S) my son doesn't care about 4k, he care about fortnight and rocket league etc.

MS also can lower the price of the S at one point to a 200$. I mean, that is the sweet spot for a console to win user base.

 

[Topher]

So they are console exclusives? Good to know

ftfy

 

[Corndog]

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/45...ps5-in-north-america-for-3-quarters-in-a-row/


Tracking ahead of the 360 means that we can use it for reference as to where its sales figures are (at a minimum anyway not maximum) so that's beneficial. But tracking ahead of the 360? That really changes the game when compared to the Xbox One. Microsoft really turned thigs around this gen.

Many people were saying even with the last few years improvements with games, services, and hardware with Xbox One S and X, that the damage was done and the Xbox Series would be struggling to over come the Xbox One taint, but it turns out Microsoft had managed to completely undo the damage tot he Xbox One, and had not only got back the base it lost so far, but is tracking ahead of their best selling console!

All this before Starfield and other major current gen only hitter drop. I expect cross-gen to en,d for Xbox at least, next year as the Xbox One was already discontinued long ago and has become irrelevant. I expect Halo Infinite to be the last larger cross-gen title especially for first-party.

As much as people had skepticism for Phil and friends it seems they really did manage to turn things around. It's incredibly astonishing how Xbox is in an entirely different place than it was just 2 years ago.

Xbox and Playstation may BOTH outdue their 360/PS3 sales this gen at the current rate.

Doesn’t mean much since ps5 is supply constrained.

 

[ManaByte]

Why do some of you get upset over this shit? This kind of competition is good for all of us gamers.

People can play next-gen games for as low as $250. You'd think people would be happy about that.

 

[Godot25]

True, but claiming to be the next gen leader (in one region) implies leading in the sales of the "actual" next gen HW, ie the box which is used for trailer videos, if it isn't anyway a PC.
It's one thing if Next Gen means a new generation of more and more overlapping eco systems. Which will get even funnier when streaming will be considered and it becomes even more gen-less PC-like. MS is leaning into PC for their grand XBox Gamepass plan anyway much more than Sony. Do we start to count PCs soon also as Xboxs if they are playing the same games?
Next gen always meant for me the next new limit pushing shit, which Nintendo anyway did on their own for some time now. So this whole gen thing is obsolete for them, or rather they do their own timeline and when MS now creates a much broader system it barely is within the same rules too and so can be counted as another thing. I am not at all saying that neither the Series S nor the Series X isn't great, reasonably priced piece of HW, I would say both are extremely on point for what they want to be. But while both compete with PS5 for basically one player base, the slowly increasing base which provided ~200+ mio sales in the last decades, the target audience for PS5 and Series X is nevertheless not necessarily the same as for Series S.

Whereas Pro and OneX where Mid Gen Upgrades for enthusiasts, so counting those as a separate "half step next gen" or whatever would have been plausible, Series S is however an immediate Next Gen Downgrade or whatever, positioning itself at the top of Pro and One X power levels, next gen that comes so close to last gen it is a rather weird next gen?... if Series X wouldn't exist at all, would Series S actually be next gen for anyone? ... , anyway admitetly wisely done from MS to make that machine compatible to their actual next gen system and thus affordable and viable for people who usually probably wait for cheaper revisions of the next gen machine. I applaud MS for doing so, Sony should have done something like it too, to safe some otherwise unusable APUs and to cover a cheaper FHD is enough market, for those who are less willing to get a second job.

Arguing that console generation is purely about power while Switch is not really more powerful in comparison to WiiU is really strange, but you do you.

For me, question is this : Can Series S play same next-gen games as Series X and PS5? If answer is yes, then it is part of same generation and should be counted together with Series X. Because while you can complain about power of Series S fact is that while Series S can run Starfield and Redfall, One X can't do that

 

[adamsapple]

People can play next-gen games for as low as $250. You'd think people would be happy about that.

Happy ?
On the internet ?

 

[oldergamer]

Why are the lumping two consoles together?

Sony CEO should come out and say the Playstation 4/5 has outsold everything!!

Snake Oil anyone?

They are the same generation. not two different console generations.

BTW sony did that with the PS3. They started reporting "playstation family" including PS2 & PS3 as one number. at least in this instance S & X are the same console generation

 

[ChiefDada]

They took an unconventional strategy and it paid off. I'm sure the disk drive and the digital versions of PS5 all count towards the total number of sales.

Why you take issue? The S and X are the same platform

You know why: console warrior copium and nothing else.

Response:

I think Xbox is doing great atm. Just think the X and the S, while both next gen consoles, are different enough that they segment the market. Different situation than PS5 disc/digital.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Exactly. Sony has been bragging (or not bragging) regarding corporate console wars forever. When PS2 dominated everything, they had no problem going on stage (look at Kaz with his big mouth) and telling the world. The second Wii took over, they then tried the "Sony Family of Products" lump sum of PS2, PS3 and PSP vs Wii which might had scrape up some wins 3 systems vs 1. Of course they left out DS.

And when Switch has been dominating for years, never compared against Nintendo ever again. Assuming Nintendo doesn't cut the cord on Switch for a Switch 2 in the next few years or Switch sales suddenly drop off a cliff, Switch should overtake PS2's 150M sales.

Switch has no chance to outsell ps2, nor will anyone ever do it.

 

[oldergamer]

Who are you, again???

He's the guy telling you, that you are embarrassing yourself.

you still are...

 

[Kagey K]

Response:

They are both 9th gen consoles and play 9th gen games (whenever they come ) Therefore they count together.

Otherwise it's just splitting hairs as many others have pointed out. (the PS4/Pro example for instance)