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[Schmick]

£180 a year to play your Steam/EGS library quality with noticeable lag and reduced image quality.

But some mugs will claim it's a good alternative

I tried Stadia last night. Worked really well. I tried The Far Cry 6 demo. Perhaps it's my age but I didn't notice lag. In fact I didn't notice any lag when I played UC1, UC2, UC3 and TLoU on PS Now for PC and FS2020 and FH5 on my OXBO through xCloud.

It's not as good as native of course but it sure is a good alternative.

 

[Fahdis]

Yeah you started blabbering about stuff outside of the day-to-day experience, and then pulled the 10% figure out of your arse.

You're exactly the type of consumer Nvidia loves - naive and dumb

Yes, smart consumerism is now dumb. If you had tried the service you would know, so in tandem, you can believe whatever your 2 little braincells that are left, allow your imagination to run wild, its ok.

Keeps on talking about "inferior experience" but has no subjective idea what that even means while playing on his Tiger Electronics Handheld and emulating old Gameboy games looking at a monitor from 1993 with a wallpaper of his mom wearing a fanny pack taking little Hezekiah to school in a Dodge Caravan.

Even after Topher has said its comparable you still eat your own shit and smell your own farts as if its gospel. I bet you do that daily anyways and sit in the fumes to fry your brains into oblivion for the internal indoctrination.

Cheers mate. Don't bother replying. You're on ignore. Annoying af.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Yes, smart consumerism is now dumb. If you had tried the service you would know, so in tandem, you can believe whatever your 2 little braincells that are left, allow your imagination to run wild, its ok.

Keeps on talking about "inferior experience" but has no subjective idea what that even means while playing on his Tiger Electronics Handheld and emulating old Gameboy games looking at a monitor from 1993 with a wallpaper of his mom wearing a fanny pack taking little Hezekiah to school in a Dodge Caravan.

Even after Topher has said its comparable you still eat your own shit and smell your own farts as if its gospel. I bet you do that daily anyways and sit in the fumes to fry your brains into oblivion for the internal indoctrination.

Cheers mate. Don't bother replying. You're on ignore. Annoying af.

First time I have seen a genuine Streaming Warrior. As angry, bitter, and infantile as the typical console warrior.
If you like streaming mate, great! Lay off the petty insults, childish tantrums, and actually discuss like an adult. If anything, you are actively pushing people away from even trying streaming.

 

[reksveks]

Why do people in this thread think their value judgement is the right one?

 

[Hezekiah]

Yes, smart consumerism is now dumb. If you had tried the service you would know, so in tandem, you can believe whatever your 2 little braincells that are left, allow your imagination to run wild, its ok.

Keeps on talking about "inferior experience" but has no subjective idea what that even means while playing on his Tiger Electronics Handheld and emulating old Gameboy games looking at a monitor from 1993 with a wallpaper of his mom wearing a fanny pack taking little Hezekiah to school in a Dodge Caravan.

Even after Topher has said its comparable you still eat your own shit and smell your own farts as if its gospel. I bet you do that daily anyways and sit in the fumes to fry your brains into oblivion for the internal indoctrination.

Cheers mate. Don't bother replying. You're on ignore. Annoying af.

"Smart consumerism"

You're an absolute chump, citing technobabble while ignoring reality. Eating shit with a smile like a good little sychophant.

I enjoy watching stupid people like you get ripped off. Gives the rest of us something to laugh at. Not to mention the unnecessary meltdown

 

[Fahdis]

First time I have seen a genuine Streaming Warrior. As angry, bitter, and infantile as the typical console warrior.
If you like streaming mate, great! Lay off the petty insults, childish tantrums, and actually discuss like an adult. If anything, you are actively pushing people away from even trying streaming.

I could care less if you stray away from options. Most of the group here have been pretty childish (except for the ones who have lent an ear) with the same infantile attitude when I've been trying to speak with factuality which doesn't make my subjective opinion as superior. Yea, sure I have a strong opinion, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to enjoy your gaming on whatever medium you like. But most can't swallow their ego and admit that a new technology is here to stay. If you were any less biased you may have seen I was trying to de-escalate with actual discourse because anyone advocating for the cloud as a secondary option gets attacked. Calling me dumb for having probably a better time than most and not answering questions means the intent is bait. Dude probably played on a GTX 1050 and a Kaby Lake processor telling me about "inferior experiences". You see one post and assume I've been hostile. Good job not seeing through your own bias.

 

[mckmas8808]

First time I have seen a genuine Streaming Warrior. As angry, bitter, and infantile as the typical console warrior.
If you like streaming mate, great! Lay off the petty insults, childish tantrums, and actually discuss like an adult. If anything, you are actively pushing people away from even trying streaming.

Yeah, it's weird. Even the Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures Entertainment made the following quote about streaming when it comes to TV shows and movies.

To paraphrase Mark Twain, reports of the death of the theatrical movie have been greatly exaggerated. Why it happened? There’s a current Wall Street obsession with streaming. The media narrative follows, and it becomes viewed as established wisdom whether or not it’s true. We finished the best year we’ve ever had at the movie company, in the midst of Covid. Our model is alive and well and thriving.

If you are going to achieve any sense of permanence, of mattering in the movie content business, you have to make cultural impact. It’s different for series, but the vast forests of movie fodder that exist on the six or eight streaming services don’t make a cultural impact. The vast majority are written in disappearing ink. Because algorithms don’t market. [Streamers] don’t really have to get over the bar of making real cultural impact. Theatrical movies do. When they fail, it’s rough. When they succeed, they’ve become a meaningful part of pop culture and when that happens, they become very valuable economically. Sony Pictures alone has grossed $3.3 billion at the worldwide box office in those eight months, in the middle of Omicron. So, what do I say to those who say movies are dead? That’s a good death.

It wasn’t just Spider-Man; it was Ghostbusters and Venom and also Uncharted, a brand-new franchise for us. Ours is a fantastic model, when you win. The fact that we are one of the few companies that put that first gives us a great advantage with talent and filmmakers. We are not subservient to the larger corporate issues of a service and subscribers, and onto the next. We burn the boats on every movie. Quentin Tarantino said, ‘Rothman, yeah, he’s a butts-in-seats guy.’ I don’t know if my kids will like it on my tombstone, but I’ll take it. I’m a butts-in-seats guy. I am not knocking streaming; it’s been great for us. We’re an arms dealer to them and have made a lot of money doing it. We have great partnerships with them. But many filmmakers really value the audience connection experience in theaters, and they know we’re a company devoted to them. We’re going to make it work or die trying.

Sony Chairman Tom Rothman Paddles Upstream To Keep Focus On Traditional Cinema — Deadline Disruptors

Rothman banks on Sony franchises like "Spider-Man," "Ghostbusters" and "Uncharted" to keep studio films in traditional theatrical settings.

deadline.com

Do the Streaming warriors just NOT understand Tom Rothman's point here? I wish I could force every one of these lazy video game podcasters and media talking heads to at least read this article or at the first least the stuff that I bolded. And you best believe that if Sony's movie division feels like this, their gaming division will have "similar" thoughts as well.

Why do people in this thread think their value judgement is the right one?

Is it wrong to want video game streaming to be an option and not forced on us?

 

[reksveks]

Is it wrong to want video game streaming to be an option and not forced on us?

No but my comment was about how everyone has different preferences (value judgement) and therefore want different options to play games. There are people in the thread whom don't understand that. I don't also believe that local computing or gaming is going anywhere at least not as an option.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I agree... So people don't buy into cloud gaming and don't pre-order... Also, no DLC for content that was supposed to be in the game to begin with, don't buy it!

 

[Fahdis]

Btw guys, have you tried remote play on PSN? Has it gotten better? I think thats one thing that sets Sony apart from the rest for their Cloud system.

 

[Schmick]

One thing that has been popping up in this thread is this idea that people are saying cloud gaming is going to take over local gaming. I haven't seen any of that and if it has occurred it's coming from a very small minority. Tiny. For those you can response by basically saying "you are an idiot" but there is no reason to generalise this point of view because it doesn't really exist. But for those, like me, who appreciate the options cloud brings, it doesn't make sense to spout out "streaming is shit" or "streaming is inferior".

I can only speak from my experience. I play on all manner of devices (basically what my wallet will allow). I play on PC, I play on console, and I play on cloud both on PC and console and also mobile. Cloud gaming has allowed me to play games on my aging PC on settings that are higher than I can achieve locally. For example I experience FH5 with next gen features such as quick loading and higher texture settings. I get to play Series version of games on my OXBO. I have gotten to play Sony's finest without even owning a PS.

Cloud gaming simply works for me and I'm not the only one.

 

[saintjules]

 

[TonyK]

My main problem is video compression. I don't want that shit in my games

 

[IDKFA]

Input lag will improve but ownership is the problem.
With clouds and service you pay for everything and own nothing

I agree, but unfortunately this is the world we now live in. Today, very few actually buy physical media for their music and films/TV and just stream it.

Like music and films, video game streaming will become the most popular way of playing games in the not too distant future. I can also see a future where certain games are exclusive to a game streaming service. I'm actually surprised Microsoft hasn't tried this with Ganepass, but I'm sure they will soon enough, and once they do more will follow.

I guess the World Economic Forum were onto something when they predicted that in 2030 we'll be happier renting then actual ownership.

 

[MacReady13]

I agree, but unfortunately this is the world we now live in. Today, very few actually buy physical media for their music and films/TV and just stream it.

Like music and films, video game streaming will become the most popular way of playing games in the not too distant future. I can also see a future where certain games are exclusive to a game streaming service. I'm actually surprised Microsoft hasn't tried this with Ganepass, but I'm sure they will soon enough, and once they do more will follow.

I guess the World Economic Forum were onto something when they predicted that in 2030 we'll be happier renting then actual ownership.

Gaming is fast becoming irrelevant for me with the way they’re taking the industry. If it continues down this path and if, by 2030 rentals are the way gaming goes, I’m bowing out. There are MANY issues with gaming today. Add to that list not ever owning your games and this industry can go get stuffed.

 

[Arcadialane]

Cloud gaming isn't even feasible for the large majority of people, you would kill the industry if it was the norm, we are not getting cloud only games in our lifetime.

 

[killatopak]

Streaming is very Euro-American centric. It's why I think people who champion streaming are dumbfounded when other people from other places don't like it. The tech simply isn't there yet. It's not even amazing in certain parts of the market it supports and I'm supposed to believe we're gonna get all streaming soon?

Besides, I'm perfectly fine with using my own hardware for MP games. Shit gets massive latency on MP games. Don't want to trade that for my low latency right now.

Spoiler

On my shitty laptop on wifi it's 4 ping. On ethernet cable it's fluctuates between 1-2 ping.

 

[rofif]

I agree, but unfortunately this is the world we now live in. Today, very few actually buy physical media for their music and films/TV and just stream it.

Like music and films, video game streaming will become the most popular way of playing games in the not too distant future. I can also see a future where certain games are exclusive to a game streaming service. I'm actually surprised Microsoft hasn't tried this with Ganepass, but I'm sure they will soon enough, and once they do more will follow.

I guess the World Economic Forum were onto something when they predicted that in 2030 we'll be happier renting then actual ownership.

Man this sucks.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

My own personal experience with Xcloud is that it's serviceable for most games, but certainly not all.

I also live less than 40 miles from the Tampa, FL Azure datacenter.

 

[Nico_D]

Gaslight is also better than electric.
Vaccinations is people playing God.
Microwave ovens will multiply cancers.

What will happen, happens and 20 years later no one even remembers we had telephones on a cord.

 

[supernova8]

LOOK AT ME I'M IMPORTANT THAT'S WHY MY POST IS IN CAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pasterpl]

If the input lag is the top priority why everyone (almost) moved to wireless controllers and lcd/oled/flat screens? We all should be playing using CRTs with wired controllers.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

There are serious forces that face gamers today.

Cloud gaming
Subscription gaming
Microtransactions/Cut content (DLC)
Games releasing before they're ready

 

[Sosokrates]

I dont think it will. One day a device the size of a smartphone will be able to do visuals no different from reality.

They are doing cloud now to have a new cheaper, lower barrier to entry for the customer.
But eventually caperble gaming hardware will be so prevalent that cloud gaming wont be needed.
And even during peak cloud gaming usage local hardware will still be available.

 

[Schmick]

I'm playing Tinykin entirely on xCloud. Works really well for me.

 

[ArtHands]

I can certainly see this becoming more common as players use this to replace console gaming. Console gamers LOVES championing for ease of gaming and cost of entry, and this will bring down the cost and easiness of playing games on a TV.

PC will still be around of course, since people will still need it for non-gaming uses.

 

[Fat Frog]

It's not even amazing in certain parts of the market it supports and I'm supposed to believe we're gonna get all streaming soon?
[/SPOILER]

Soon ? Certainely not. Even a priest of cloud like me doesn't believe it.

It will grow, improve at a slow but steady pace.

Look at GFN... Even if the datas don't equal subscribers at all, they gain 10 million users every year. #slow#steady

What could provoke a growth slowdown ?
Amazing competition from consoles.

Switch ? Prices are stable.
Xbox ? A 60 bucks price drop, cool, but not agressive.
Playstation ? + 50 bucks lol

None agressive competition, energy crisis in the west
(GFN, Stadia, Luna pay most of the bill, especially GFN3080 tier...), Improving tech, data centers expansions cloud gaming will be more and more relevant as long as people struggles with the bills...

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Gaslight is also better than electric.
Vaccinations is people playing God.
Microwave ovens will multiply cancers.

What will happen, happens and 20 years later no one even remembers we had telephones on a cord.

Cloud gaming is not new. it is just game renting. Cloud gaming doesn't run by magic, it is just a remote computer that you rent for a short time to play games with. Anything else is just marketing gimmick.

If you invent FTL communication you could make streaming as fast as local, but it would STILL be expensive because you are renting. Renting is always expensive.

 

[Gamerguy84]

In its current state i completely agree.

Its complimentary gaming at best. I have played through 4 games 100% via PSNOW. They were PS3 games. It works under good conditiions. I have a gig fiber connection and im not far away from data center.

Even if conditions were perfect nothing beats local gaming.

 

[TheGodfather07]

It can only have a chance of taking off if it had barely any lag and every TV comes with a controller and a game streaming app. At the moment, there ain't many people that seem to care about game streaming.

 

[GHG]

Don't trust anyone who advocates for cloud gaming. It's end stage stuff for the corporations who want it that way. Zero ownership, 100% subscriptions and no access to the files or to make any alterations (mods etc) to games.

Everything will change and it won't be for the better.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Certain game genres just won’t work with any kind of input lag so cloud gaming is just another option, not the future of all gaming. I also see a particular issue of publishers and legal contracts that can result in cloud exclusives being lost to time one day. Even non cloud streaming services like Game Pass have issues like this, but at least you can download the games and play locally for a time.


I question the younger gamers reaction once nostalgia starts hitting them. When they want to play an older game they played as part of a sub, will it still be available? I don’t buy that they will never replay games, nostalgia is too strong for that.

 

[M16]

Last gen people said the same thing about digital replacing physical. Look what happened now. It's inevitable. Cloud gaming is going to take over. Maybe not today but in 10-15 years it will be the way the majority play.

 

[Schmick]

Don't trust anyone who advocates for cloud gaming. It's end stage stuff for the corporations who want it that way. Zero ownership, 100% subscriptions and no access to the files or to make any alterations (mods etc) to games.

Everything will change and it won't be for the better.

Scare mongering at its finest. Cloud gaming is not going to replace local gaming. It is complimentary.

 

[GHG]

Scare mongering at its finest. Cloud gaming is not going to replace local gaming. It is complimentary.

Yeh that's what they are telling us now. It's a wet dream for them and they will lead us down the garden path.

 

[Stuart360]

Honestly if you're bothered about this long term, start PC gaming. PC gaming is influenced by PC gamers, and what they want. Streaming ONLY will never work with PC gamers ,and the likes of Nvidia and Intel etc wont be pushing for a streaming only future for obvious reasons.

On console you do whatever Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo tell you.

 

[reksveks]

Don't trust anyone who advocates for cloud gaming. It's end stage stuff for the corporations who want it that way. Zero ownership, 100% subscriptions and no access to the files or to make any alterations (mods etc) to games.

Everything will change and it won't be for the better.

Hmm. I don't advocate for it being the only option but I do play alot of game's via streaming.

Am I to be trusted or not?

 

[reinking]

Scare mongering at its finest. Cloud gaming is not going to replace local gaming. It is complimentary.

I used to think like this. I'm starting to think I am being proven wrong as I watch companies push toward cloud gaming and consumers cheering it on.

 

[reinking]

Hmm. I don't advocate for it being the only option but I do play alot of game's via streaming.

Am I to be trusted or not?

From your own post.

 

[drganon]

Cloud gaming shouldn't and hopefully never will take off. It's nothing more than a pipe dream by silicon valley with the endgame to fuck over the consumer.

 

[MarkMe2525]

IS THIS THREAD REALLY NECESSARY!!! AS LONG AS THERE IS PROFIT TO BE MADE ON HARDWARE, IT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE!!

Edit: we also have 10 other threads where this topic is discussed.

 

[jufonuk]

All the caps and !!! Put me off.

But yeah cloud gaming is good as a novelty real local coop is where it’s at.

 

[Topher]

Honestly if you're bothered about this long term, start PC gaming. PC gaming is influenced by PC gamers, and what they want. Streaming ONLY will never work with PC gamers ,and the likes of Nvidia and Intel etc wont be pushing for a streaming only future for obvious reasons.

On console you do whatever Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo tell you.

Exactly. Consoles can say screw the hardware and put everything on streaming and PC gamers will just keep gaming as they always have. Even if Microsoft tries to lock down Windows behind a walled garden there will be other options such as SteamOS or other Linux distros. The total freedom on PC is what makes it so great.

 

[Nico_D]

Cloud gaming is not new. it is just game renting. Cloud gaming doesn't run by magic, it is just a remote computer that you rent for a short time to play games with. Anything else is just marketing gimmick.

If you invent FTL communication you could make streaming as fast as local, but it would STILL be expensive because you are renting. Renting is always expensive.

If I take Geforce Now for a month, it costs me about 12 euros. I don't know how much gaming PC costs but I bet I get few years of Geforce Now for a price of one gaming PC. 12 euros really isn't much for most of the people. It's the cost of couple of packs of cigattes of couple of litres of ice cream.

Of course it is renting but so is Netflix and HBO. Sorry but maybe I don't get your point?

Edit: whether you like it or not, all the physical hardware will eventually vanish like LPs, cassettes, VHS... did. It may not happen in the few years but I'd say 10-15 years when the technology is good enough. Pretty much inevitable.

 

[TrebleShot]

It can and it will, these services improve month to month or even week to week.

Whatever service you tried a year back has likely evolved two fold since you tried it and it’s also one of the huge benefits of cloud tech your console or PC does not upgrade itself hardware wise as often as cloud solutions do and there are unique benefits to cloud gaming such as play anywhere in high fidelity and instant access.

People bleating on about ownership probably still have Netflix and Disney plus accounts it’s about ease of access and use.

If you own a game digitally you are essentially renting it also and in 20 years when that console isn’t available or the pc spec requires some strange container or api to work it won’t run your physical disks either.

Just people stuck in the past who can’t comprehend the very nature of evolution and change are terrified that their 5k PC is matched by a £12 membership a month.

GeForce now is the gold standard really hope they expand it and get more games on the platform. They did pull GOW from the service but if you had it already you can still play it.

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

I wouldn’t say “never”. There will be a day when everyone is on fiber and response times will be instant over the internet.

 

[MacReady13]

There are serious forces that face gamers today.

Cloud gaming
Subscription gaming
Microtransactions/Cut content (DLC)
Games releasing before they're ready

Not to sure if you're being serious here on not but they are my 4 main (and very serious) issues with gaming today. And yet somehow people accept this as gaming today as if it's normal and they actually accept this as the future of this hobby I once loved! Insane.

 

[zcaa0g]

I would replace cloud gaming with no gaming.

 

[Uiki]

I wouldn’t say “never”. There will be a day when everyone is on fiber and response times will be instant over the internet.

That's.... not how it works lol

 

[twilo99]

There is room for both. Having a choice is very nice. Who doesn't like choice?

That's like saying wireless technology cannot be allowed to replace tethered ...