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[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

Good god, seems someone stole your candy and that got you mad.

I made myself pretty clear as to why I didn't like the game.I probably made the longest post of this thread just about this topic.Go read it again if you already forgot about it.

There is nothing objective about an opinion.I think its shite and that's it, just as you think its the second comming of Jesus and that's it.I'm certainly not in the minority if the responses in this thread and overall responses on youtube is anything to go by.

As for why I think the game underperformed(bit not bombed), me and others have made it pretty clear: Given the graphics, animations and how much marketing the game had, it sold half as much as Spiderman, God Of War 4, etc.A new IP like Ghost of Tsushima, which probably had a fraction of the budget, sold as well as TLOU.Factions, which was supposed to be free with the purchase of TLOU 2, was removed from the game and its probably now a 70 dolar GAAS game, which in my opinion is the best way to cover up the profits that Sony never saw with TLOU 2, given that they know they can sell millions of units of the Factions game, and not cost as much as TLOU 2, as the game will probably reuse a lot of its assets and technologies.

And thats it homie, that's your "facts" and "receipts" about my own opinion on a game lol.

For fucks sake, facts and receipts for an opinion... Next time I'll have to prove why I like more blondes than brunettes with concrete facts.

You're comparing tlous to the most popular marvel character ever, and also your trying to compare god of war which came out 2 years earlier, was bundled profusely , was free when purchasing ps5's and its online service etc

If you want to fairly compare it measure out the same amount of time it took to reach dales goals in the same span as it launched.

Also i see alot of opinions on why it failed, show me factual evidence that it did please

 

[The Eradicator]

Have you read the Count of Monte Cristo? Because this game basically mirrors that book's ending (The book is mentioned in the game btw).
I really think you should get on with your literary references because only a person incapable of understanding stories and what is being said would think this.
Yeah, you didn't undersand the game AT ALL.

The writing in the game is poorly executed at best, regardless of whatever literary inspiration they were using. They didn't earn the ending because they never set that ending up properly. It was an overly moralizing bit of writing, full of plot holes, that failed in nearly every aspect of competent storytelling.

I don't really care that it won awards, or sold a lot of copies, or if anyone in particular liked the game. The writing in the game is a mess, and I've yet to see anyone defend the writing without resorting to personal attacks on the contrarian party.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

What part of "Reader's Choice" did you fail to understand?

He reads geek and neckbeard gamers lol

 

[kyliethicc]

 

[Nautilus]

What part of "Reader's Choice" did you fail to understand?

No part at all. You have your own method of choosing/validating your preferences, and I have mine.

Just because yours gave a fancier name doesn't make it more definitive.

 

[Topher]

No part at all. You have your own method of choosing/validating your preferences, and I have mine.

Just because yours gave a fancier name doesn't make it more definitive.

Sure it is. I can point to an actual number. You cannot.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

No part at all. You have your own method of choosing/validating your preferences, and I have mine.

Just because yours gave a fancier name doesn't make it more definitive.

And your list isssss......

 

[OmegaSupreme]

We'll deserved. One of the best games ever made without question.

 

[Shmunter]

More news next year? This is way off then. Taking what feels like forever.

 

[DForce]

The writing in the game is poorly executed at best, regardless of whatever literary inspiration they were using. They didn't earn the ending because they never set that ending up properly. It was an overly moralizing bit of writing, full of plot holes, that failed in nearly every aspect of competent storytelling.

I don't really care that it won awards, or sold a lot of copies, or if anyone in particular liked the game. The writing in the game is a mess, and I've yet to see anyone defend the writing without resorting to personal attacks on the contrarian party.

Based on my experience, people who claim that this game has a lot of plot holes did not understand the story at all.

 

[EruditeHobo]

I don’t want to lower the quality of the titles I play by putting them on subscription services, thank you. Sony’s way is fine.

Seriously. I'd prefer to support devs and a platform when they release products I really enjoy.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

Based on my experience, people who claim that this game has a lot of plot holes did not understand the story at all.

No no see druckman is wrong, the person who actually created the characters in the first place, he wouldnt know his characters at all and only the hardcorest of GAMERS would know how Joel would react

 

[EruditeHobo]

What are you proving here? That TLoU2 sold well? Yeah, we know.

You said they were headed for catastrophe, didn't you?

How can you expect to be taken seriously with these kinds of takes.

 

[Nautilus]

You're comparing tlous to the most popular marvel character ever, and also your trying to compare god of war which came out 2 years earlier, was bundled profusely , was free when purchasing ps5's and its online service etc

If you want to fairly compare it measure out the same amount of time it took to reach dales goals in the same span as it launched.

Also i see alot of opinions on why it failed, show me factual evidence that it did please

"Stop comparing to more successful games, compare it to worse performing games!"

TLOU was one of the highest rated game of the 7th gen and probably 8th gen too, comming off the heels of a game that sold 20+ units. It should have given the edge over Spiderman, who NEVER sold games like it does now, or GOW 4, who also NEVER sold like it does now, and previous GOWs games were also bundles profusely and all(I don't think Sony counts the people who got the PS Plus collection with the PS5 as a sold unit.Otherwise it would have sold double the ammount now).And Ghost of Tsushima was a complete unknown, and did just as well, which you conviniently forgot to mention lol.

So yeah, it didn't do so hot homie.

Where are your factual evidence that the game met expectations?All Sony said is that it sold 10 million units, and that Druckmann is happy that he hasn't lost his job.Where are the "facts" and "receits" homie?

 

[DForce]

Tlou2 was even inside the top 20 of the best selling games in Europe in April or may this year while Ghost of Tsushima wasn't anywhere to be seen even after its re-release.

The way people are in denial in here lmao

Yeah, the last of us Part II often shows up in weekly sales charts, but people think this game totally disappeared after the first week.

I think people tend to go with a false narrative instead of researching the facts for themselves.

 

[Nautilus]

Sure it is. I can point to an actual number. You cannot.

A review number? A numbers that is produced by the perceived opinion on how highly or not someone thinks that game is worth?

Well, my youtube reviews also has a score that gives an actual number too at the end, you know.

 

[Nautilus]

And your list isssss......

?

Are we measuring dick sizes now, to see whose is bigger like a bunch of teenagers?

 

[EruditeHobo]

It is indeed loud, but that's because its the majority of gamers that are unhappy with the game.

You can dislike whatever you want, it's fine... but the above statement is just really, really obviously wrong.
Don't know why you need to try to bend reality to suit your personal feelings about a video game.
Take pride in going against the grain! There's no shame in it.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."
- Mark Twain

 

[Topher]

A review number? A numbers that is produced by the perceived opinion on how highly or not someone thinks that game is worth?

Well, my youtube reviews also has a score that gives an actual number too at the end, you know.

Great! Compile every single review score from every single YouTuber reviewer for the game and then get back to me.

 

[Nautilus]

You can dislike whatever you want, it's fine... but the above statement is just really, really obviously wrong.
Don't know why you need to try to bend reality to suit your personal feelings about a video game.
Take pride in going against the grain! There's no shame in it.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."
- Mark Twain

I don't need to bend reality when I know I'm right.

But thanks for the pep talk!

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

"Stop comparing to more successful games, compare it to worse performing games!"

TLOU was one of the highest rated game of the 7th gen and probably 8th gen too, comming off the heels of a game that sold 20+ units. It should have given the edge over Spiderman, who NEVER sold games like it does now, or GOW 4, who also NEVER sold like it does now, and previous GOWs games were also bundles profusely and all(I don't think Sony counts the people who got the PS Plus collection with the PS5 as a sold unit.Otherwise it would have sold double the ammount now).And Ghost of Tsushima was a complete unknown, and did just as well, which you conviniently forgot to mention lol.

So yeah, it didn't do so hot homie.

Where are your factual evidence that the game met expectations?All Sony said is that it sold 10 million units, and that Druckmann is happy that he hasn't lost his job.Where are the "facts" and "receits" homie?

How many platforms was the first tlou on again.....righttt....how many bundles was it with....rightttt

Again you expect tlou on one platform to sell
More than spiderman and that is your measuring stick. Lol the most recognizable marvel super hero hot off the launch on great marvel franchise movies, comic books etc and uou expect it to beat it..... lmao man your to funny, also lets compare to to god of war when it hit close to 20 million and when tlou part 2 does, also god of war had bundles and anspecific console to sell with it as well

Lol your so messy. Next thing they going to say when it sells 15 million you'll still have an excuse i cant believe a grown ass man is this in his feelings about a game

 

[Nautilus]

Great! Compile every single review score from every single YouTuber reviewer for the game and then get back to me.

No need!You can head yourself to a internet website called youtube and search yourself there!

Its really easy to use the website.You will get the hang of it fast enough!

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

?

Are we measuring dick sizes now, to see whose is bigger like a bunch of teenagers?

Ah i wana see what sources you trust here, they are credible to you so i want to see what credibility they have, surely your not scared to spread the amazing wealth of knowledge you have attained from these high quality, low on the totem pole sources unlike ign and gamespot

 

[Topher]

No need!You can head yourself to a internet website called youtube and search yourself there!

Its really easy to use the website.You will get the hang of it fast enough!

You can't provide anything substantial so somehow you think it is someone else's obligation to prove/disprove your own assertion for you.

I'm laughing.

 

[Nautilus]

How many platforms was the first tlou on again.....righttt....how many bundles was it with....rightttt

Again you expect tlou on one platform to sell
More than spiderman and that is your measuring stick. Lol the most recognizable marvel super hero hot off the launch on great marvel franchise movies, comic books etc and uou expect it to beat it..... lmao man your to funny, also lets compare to to god of war when it hit close to 20 million and when tlou part 2 does, also god of war had bundles and anspecific console to sell with it as well

Lol your so messy. Next thing they going to say when it sells 15 million you'll still have an excuse i cant believe a grown ass man is this in his feelings about a game

You know you are repeating yourself, and that you haven't disproven any of the FACTS and RECEIPTS that I provided you, did you?All those numbers are official, and while no one can really prove, I feel that we can all agree that TLOU 2 costed more to make or at least had a similar cost to those games.

Man its ok.Its ok for your favorite franchise to underperform.I mean, it sold 10 million, and Sony is remaking the first game.Its not like they will kill the franchise.So you are good.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

You know you are repeating yourself, and that you haven't disproven any of the FACTS and RECEIPTS that I provided you, did you?All those numbers are official, and while no one can really prove, I feel that we can all agree that TLOU 2 costed more to make or at least had a similar cost to those games.

Man its ok.Its ok for your favorite franchise to underperform.I mean, it sold 10 million, and Sony is remaking the first game.Its not like they will kill the franchise.So you are good.

Are all those numbers in the same time frame of less than two years after launching

 

[Nautilus]

You can't provide anything substantial so somehow you think it is someone else's obligation to prove/disprove your own assertion for you.

I'm laughing.

Glad that Im brightining up your day after receiving the schocking news of TLOU 2 not-so-hot performance.Only doing my duty to the community.

And I did provide, its just you who are too lazy to go look. And well, thats not my fault.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

You can't provide anything substantial so somehow you think it is someone else's obligation to prove/disprove your own assertion for you.

I'm laughing.

This dude insecure because his pappi got mercd, he needs to justify in his own head the game is bad, straight to the bushes

 

[Nautilus]

Ah i wana see what sources you trust here, they are credible to you so i want to see what credibility they have, surely your not scared to spread the amazing wealth of knowledge you have attained from these high quality, low on the totem pole sources unlike ign and gamespot

I'll share my knowledge when you share your facts that the game didn't underperform.

 

[Nautilus]

Are all those numbers in the same time frame of less than two years after launching

Most of them, yeah? If not two years, close enough(other than TLOU 1 numbers of course).I mean, people have extensively already cleared that through the thread, just go back and read it.

 

[Nautilus]

This dude insecure because his pappi got mercd, he needs to justify in his own head the game is bad, straight to the bushes

And of course, the most natural thing to say if you think you are right and clearly didn't run out of arguments to prove your point is to insult my father.

Classy.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

I'll share my knowledge when you share your facts that the game didn't underperform.

Lmao in the bushes, ill tweet jim dance moves ryan and ask and wait

What's your sources btw, let me see these incredible gender journalists or reviewers that are must see for opinions

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

And of course, the most natural thing to say if you think you are right and clearly didn't run out of arguments to prove your point is to insult my father.

Classy.

I didnt know an ai character was your father, lol in the bushes

 

[Topher]

Glad that Im brightining up your day after receiving the schocking news of TLOU 2 not-so-hot performance.Only doing my duty to the community.

And I did provide, its just you who are too lazy to go look. And well, thats not my fault.

You provided "youtube" as evidence. Do you realize how silly that makes you look? I can provide youtube as evidence that the world is flat.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

I'll share my knowledge when you share your facts that the game didn't underperform.

Game did under perform. Rated M game like this should do 20 million easy. Had it release at the same time as GOW2? Should be doing 40 million easy. These jokers dont understand how much faith you and Sony had. This game should have been as high as Red Dead 2, no GTA V, no Minecraft, NO TETRIS.

 

[Nautilus]

Lmao in the bushes, ill tweet jim dance moves ryan and ask and wait

What's your sources btw, let me see these incredible gender journalists or reviewers that are must see for opinions

Naughty naughty.I already said that I'll share mine when you can prove for a fact the game didn't underperform.

 

[DForce]

I'll share my knowledge when you share your facts that the game didn't underperform.

You're making up claims and then trying to pass it off as facts.

You told everyone that the sales "plummeted" after 6 months without realizing that happens to the vast majority of games out there. If you don't understand the basics of sales charts/figures, then why are you even debating sales in the first place?

The game was called a massive sales success, but I think you guys on here know more than Mat Piscatella.

 

[Nautilus]

I didnt know an ai character was your father, lol in the bushes

What?Are you high? I can't make any sense of what you are saying.

Did the news traumatize you that much?

 

[Nautilus]

You provided "youtube" as evidence. Do you realize how silly that makes you look? I can provide youtube as evidence that the world is flat.

Oh please do.I'll love you to prove that the world is flat.I find that hard to believe but hey, I'm nothing but open-minded.

 

[Nautilus]

Game did under perform. Rated M game like this should do 20 million easy. Had it release at the same time as GOW2? Should be doing 40 million easy. These jokers dont understand how much faith you and Sony had. This game should have been as high as Red Dead 2, no GTA V, no Minecraft, NO TETRIS.

Finally someone who understands me.

I'll tell you a secret: Druckmann is actually... AN ALIEN!!!

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

You said they were headed for catastrophe, didn't you?

How can you expect to be taken seriously with these kinds of takes.

Getting surpassed by the competition is a catastrophe.

My fielty to Fortnite grants me the highest level of respect. I was haranged in 2018 for saying the GAAS future was on the horizon. Now, as it blots out the sun, I swim in vindication.

There was a time when Epic would never turn it's back on the arena shooter. Don't be so certain Naughty Dog can't wave goodbye to single player.

 

[Shmunter]

TLOU2 is a Sony game, and a sequel to the highest acclaimed game ever. Proclaiming it didn’t sell is pretty far out.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

You people need to stop responding to him, homie isnt taking it well about a game he doesnt like selling 10 million copies.

 

[Nautilus]

You're making up claims and then trying to pass it off as facts.

You told everyone that the sales "plummeted" after 6 months without realizing that happens to the vast majority of games out there. If you don't understand the basics of sales charts/figures, then why are you even debating sales in the first place?

The game was called a massive sales success, but I think you guys on here know more than Mat Piscatella.

Now now, don't go putting words in my mouth.I said the PRICES plummeted, not the sales. You can go back and check my post for yourself. And that's just a fact, because you could buy TLOU 2 for 20-30 dollars by 2020 holidays(correct me if Im wrong). And from that, I said that that happened most likely because the game wasn't selling at the pace Sony wanted, which is corraborated by the fact that other games with smaller budgets were doing as well if not better in the same time frame, such as Ghost of tsushima, Spiderman, GOW 4 and a few more, as people in this thread already proved.

 

[Lognor]

But didn't the first game have some pretty bad pay to win mechanics? Hopefully they've learned from the harsh feedback around that. Pay to win is not ok

 

[Nautilus]

You people need to stop responding to him, homie isnt taking it well about a game he doesnt like selling 10 million copies.

Yeah, I too would stop replying if I were you. You guys clearly ran out of arguments, so any further reply is just more embarrasement for you.

I feel you homie.

 

[DForce]

Now now, don't go putting words in my mouth.I said the PRICES plummeted, not the sales. You can go back and check my post for yourself.

Yes, I meant price. And yes, that happens all the time with most games.

And that's just a fact, because you could buy TLOU 2 for 20-30 dollars by 2020 holidays(correct me if Im wrong).

20-30 means it's bad?

Why was God of War $25 during the Holidays?

Why was it also $17 during Black Friday?

God Of War $17: Best PS4 Black Friday 2018 Deal Is Unmissable

This is the best price we've seen for the PS4-exclusive God of War this Black Friday.

www.gamespot.com

And from that, I said that that happened most likely because the game wasn't selling at the pace Sony wanted, which is corraborated by the fact that other games with smaller budgets were doing as well if not better in the same time frame, such as Ghost of tsushima, Spiderman, GOW 4 and a few more, as people in this thread already proved.

Only Spider-Man and God of War performed better.

Your proof is that it sold less after having a bigger launch, which is proof that the game underperformed.

Spider-Man sold over 13 million copies in less than a year while God of War sold 10 million copies in 13 months. By that logic, God of War underperformed.

The lifetime dollar sales are the 3rd highest for a Sony published game.

This means it surpassed The Last of Us (PS3), The Last of Us Remastered (PS4), Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Days Gone in less than 2 months in revenue in the US.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Yes, I meant price. And yes, that happens all the time with most games.



20-30 means it's bad?

Why was God of War $25 during the Holidays?

Why was it also $17 during Black Friday?

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Only Spider-Man and God of War performed better.

Your proof is that it sold less after having a bigger launch, which is proof that the game underperformed.

Spider-Man sold over 13 million copies in less than a year while God of War sold 10 million copies in 13 months. By that logic, God of War underperformed.

The lifetime dollar sales are the 3rd highest for a Sony published game.

This means it surpassed The Last of Us (PS3), The Last of Us Remastered (PS4), Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Days Gone in less than 2 months in revenue in the US.

Yeah, I remember GoW being at like 19 bucks or so on the PS Store during that Black Friday, a good damn deal.

 

[EruditeHobo]

Getting surpassed by the competition is a catastrophe.

No, it's literally not. Use words better.

 

[Nautilus]

Yes, I meant price. And yes, that happens all the time with most games.



20-30 means it's bad?

Why was God of War $25 during the Holidays?

Why was it also $17 during Black Friday?

God Of War $17: Best PS4 Black Friday 2018 Deal Is Unmissable

This is the best price we've seen for the PS4-exclusive God of War this Black Friday.

www.gamespot.com

Only Spider-Man and God of War performed better.

Your proof is that it sold less after having a bigger launch, which is proof that the game underperformed.

Spider-Man sold over 13 million copies in less than a year while God of War sold 10 million copies in 13 months. By that logic, God of War underperformed.

The lifetime dollar sales are the 3rd highest for a Sony published game.

This means it surpassed The Last of Us (PS3), The Last of Us Remastered (PS4), Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Days Gone in less than 2 months in revenue in the US.

Yes, its bad?Because devs wants to maximize profits, and if they feel like they can get away charging 70 dollars for a game for 5 years, they will? Most PS5 exclusives haven't gone under 40 if I'm not mistaken, and most Sony games only reach 20-30 dollars after 2 or 3 years in the market, not 6 months.

GOW was 25 dollars in the holidays in the year of its release, or several years after the fact?Thats the point.

Ghost of Tsushima did almost as well as TLOU 2( Its very close to 10 million 2 years after launch), Horizon Zero Dawn, a new IP, did as well as TLOU 2.And all those games had smaller budgets.Or at least, they sure as hell looked like they did.And I'm talking worldwide, its sales after 2 years, not just in the US after 2 months lol.