64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
this shit is EXACTLY why i switched. not to mention PC's massive library of exclusive indies you can't even get on Switch
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Jim Ryan and Playstation must be sued for misleading PS5 buyer
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Nah that was Ken, he is the guy who still outsold the competition despite that.
To quote Eminem
My biggest flops are your greatest hits
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kyliethicc
Member
Same it’s very convenient and there’s tons of cool games to enjoy.
Like Stray, that game looks fun
sircaw
Banned
Bloody trouble maker, don't make me kick a kitten,Same it’s very convenient and there’s tons of cool games to enjoy.
Like Stray, that game looks fun
CatLady
where you at?Removes
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
here's a thought for OP
if exclusives matter so much, surely, the N64, which had literally nothing worthwhile to play besides the first party titles, should have been the best selling console of all time right?
oh wait it only did 32 million
gee its almost like it's just 1 part of the equation of why you should get a console, and not the entire fucking pie
nobody wants to spend half a grand just to play a few games
if exclusives matter so much, surely, the N64, which had literally nothing worthwhile to play besides the first party titles, should have been the best selling console of all time right?
oh wait it only did 32 million
gee its almost like it's just 1 part of the equation of why you should get a console, and not the entire fucking pie
nobody wants to spend half a grand just to play a few games
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Pretty much....
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Bloody trouble maker, don't make me kick a kitten,
Removes
Deal with it tunabreath, unlike stinky fish, the kitties are much beloved.
winjer
Gold Member
Absolutely not.
Even the fastest SSDs have a latency of ~0.010 miliseconds.
L1 cache on RDNA2 has a latency of 27 nano seconds. L2 cache of 93ns.
Even the memory of the PS5 has a latency of 140ns.
This is several orders of magnitude faster than any SSD. No way an SSD can submit data in time to render pixels.
And then remember that the registers inside shader itself, is even faster than an L1 cache.
No f****** way an SSD can fill a register in time to render a pixel. Especially if that pixel has multiple passes.
Then there is the issue of memory bandwidth. The PS5 SSD has only 5.5 GB/s. Even considering best case scenario with data being fully compressed, maybe 25Gb/s
The vram of The PS5 has 448GB/s. This is 18 times more than the SSD at it's best case scenario.
How could an SSD expect to fill all those CUs with this tiny amount of memory bandwidth....
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Topher
Gold Member
Time will tell. I think we will have live service multiplats day one and traditional single player timed exclusives as every single one has been so far.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Who gives a shit if it comes to PC? I would rather have a complete physical copy for my consoles than a very minor graphical upgrade and idiotic mods that don’t add anything to the experience.
The bigger issue is Sony needs to diversify their lineup instead of having the same tired, shallow gameplay with an over emphasis on narrative.
The bigger issue is Sony needs to diversify their lineup instead of having the same tired, shallow gameplay with an over emphasis on narrative.
synchronicity
Member
I just want to play (good) games. I prefer it on PC, and if the trends allow me to forego consoles, then that's great with me. I've got a big enough backlog and I don't have that FOMO that many seem to suffer with, so I'm happy to wait a bit, if that's all it takes to confine my gaming to PC.
And Sony spreading their properties around to more gamers is only good for Sony (and gaming in general) imho. There are those who would never buy a console, and now they get to enjoy some of those previously exclusive games and that builds an affinity to Sony and their brand/games, which I don't think can be a negative from Sony's perspective.
And it surely doesn't hurt any PS console gamers other than their egos about feeling *special* somehow because they've got the PS box, lol. "You're so unique! You bought a device."
And Sony spreading their properties around to more gamers is only good for Sony (and gaming in general) imho. There are those who would never buy a console, and now they get to enjoy some of those previously exclusive games and that builds an affinity to Sony and their brand/games, which I don't think can be a negative from Sony's perspective.
And it surely doesn't hurt any PS console gamers other than their egos about feeling *special* somehow because they've got the PS box, lol. "You're so unique! You bought a device."
Edgelord79
Gold Member
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Too much money being left on the table, especially with people not being able to get their hands on consoles.
I agree that there will most likely be timed exclusives, however the timing window will be shortened to about a year.
Too much money being left on the table, especially with people not being able to get their hands on consoles.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
I'm 100% sure he meant "can't". Cause he stated SSD has higher latency and slower throughput then RAM, SEVERAL times in the past.
winjer
Gold Member
If so, then may my post serve to reinforce his statement.
sircaw
Banned
Deal with it tunabreath, unlike stinky fish, the kitties are much beloved.
WTF
Reported Death threat
Topher
Gold Member
That's another valid reason why Sony may keep the games timed on PS. 100% digital revenue on PSN versus 70-90% digital revenue from Steam/EGS. And if non-console PC gamers are happy to wait and buy as some here have indicated then nothing is lost with a staggered release strategy.
Oddvintagechap
Member
I much rather use PC players to port PS3 games to PC/PS5/PS4.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Jim Ryan said after HZD was a success that they were bringing a whole slate of their games to PC
What’s the issue?
OGM_Madness
Member
Can't wait to see Sony games on Xbox, just to see OP make another thread. Oh wait, does MLB The Show counts? I bet OP loved that it was $70 on PS or $1 for a month on GamePass.
Darius87
Member
no this is not first time he say this bs
DonJorginho
Banned
Keep the salt coming OP!
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Killer8
Member
If Spider-Man gets a mod to fix the 'remastered' Peter Parker face, the PC version will become the definitive one.
Thabass
Member
If? You mean "when".
Topher
Gold Member
That already happens and will continue. There are and will be select PS games (MLB, Bungie, etc.) on Xbox and you'll see select Xbox games (Minecraft, Call of Duty, etc.) on PS. I know console warriors are looking for the next "gotcha" but the whole war is looking sillier and sillier, frankly, with all the overlap going on.
yamaci17
Member
the ssd talk... here and there again... i hope this ratched clank game is ported to PC someday and it runs perfectly fine, albeit with a bit slower load times on a 550 mb/s ssd so this discussion cease to exsist
yamaci17
Member
there's a chance that the original face could be somwhere inside the files, i hope. that way we can have the original face natively without external mods. mods have their scopes, they may not be perfect, but if it is going to be possible to get the original face back within the game files, that would be fantastic
Fuz
Banned
Reported Dead trout
Dream-Knife
Banned
I'm starting to think that the fanboys don't actually like their exclusives, they only like them because it's only on their plastic box. In which case, get a life.
Swift_Star
Banned
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I did this with the xsx this gen. No reason to own an Xbox anymore.
Hoping Sony stops mucking about and releases PS5 games Day one on PC. We all know its coming. MS also did this slow rollout to avoid backlash before fully embracing it. It's funny that when I pointed this out back when Herman claimed porting Horizon didnt mean every game was going to get ported, people jumped down my throat and called me chicken little. I remember posting a Phil Spencer tweet when he said exactly that after porting Gears 4 or maybe it was Quantum Break.
This was always the end game.
Shmunter
Member
Nope, he’s always claimed the GPU is the bottleneck, and magical ssd won’t make the GPU run faster
hemo memo
Gold Member
Good luck with that. A lawyer would spin this as only on their home console, opposite to say Xbox and Switch as PC is an open platform etc. I'm not saying what Sony did isn't bad. I mean they intentionally hid that MM and Horizon aren't exclusive then had a ridiculous upgrade plan for MM then after promising that Horizon upgrade would be free tried to test the waters that it isn't then when the backlash hit they backtracked. BUT it is hard to sue for stuff like this is my point, unless you are a very rich and very bored.
hemo memo
Gold Member
I wouldn't call playing a game after everyone already played it a win to be honest but go wild PC dude.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
thread was locked then unlocked
VFXVeteran
Banned
What I'm getting from these replies from gamers that are "OK" with it is that the game won't be available for the PC after a number of years so no need to stress over it. The only logical explanation for that type of comment is that the game will somehow lose it's "luster" so that they no longer care about it. The same people are saying that if it came out day-and-date that they would leave the PS ecosystem thereby placing major emphasis on time being a factor instead of the actual game itself. If time wasn't a factor then they would be pissed regardless of whether the game comes out day-and-date or 3yrs from now.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Those games were only on Playstation.
Now they aren't only on Playstation.
There you go Sony, there is your legal defense.
Now they aren't only on Playstation.
There you go Sony, there is your legal defense.
PC is a good place to spend thousands of dollars to years old Sony games that might still even have issues on the PC.
Personally, I’m happy with my PS5 where I know I’ll get the great Sony exclusives day 1 and can just put a disc in and play the game on my huge TV while sitting on my couch.
Personally, I’m happy with my PS5 where I know I’ll get the great Sony exclusives day 1 and can just put a disc in and play the game on my huge TV while sitting on my couch.
yamaci17
Member
i guess your definition of "everyone" only includes playstation userbase. interesting, very interesting.
VFXVeteran
Banned
I'm not sure I understand your question. What does 16G of RAM have to do with the GPU performance? What I'm saying is that the SSD can push data into GPU texture memory faster than the GPU can process the pixels thereby the SSD is actually not a good match for that console.
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