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Let me know when Ragnarok releases day and date with PC..
Depends, they need to finish the launcher.
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Let me know when Ragnarok releases day and date with PC..
The opposite actually, it says it won’t change much from today which we’re possibly getting two PC ports this year, by 2025 it may increase to 3 or 4 max, according to the chart.This is more clear confirmation that it's day and date on pc coming very soon. Who was it again in denial saying this wasn't happening?
They expect 300 million by next march from what exactly? 2 old ports?The opposite actually, it says it won’t change much from today which we’re possibly getting two PC ports this year, by 2025 it may increase to 3 or 4 max, according to the chart.
Live Service Games.They expect 300 million by next march from what exactly? 2 old ports?
People really need to stop comparing every game to Elden Ring. It was a once-in-a-lifetime release. Yes it was a big success on PC but most games will never see those kind of sales. As an example, Deathloop and Ghostwire came out Day 1 on PC/PS5 and they both flopped on Steam.
The 3 weeks in a row at #1 for GOW was widely reported and we had a thread about it too. The estimates at the time were about 2 millions sold and we believed it because it was charting so high on Steam. It was actually selling 200k or less per week
God Of War Was Steam's Top-Seller For A Third Week In A Row
No previous Sony game has been number one on Steam for more than a week.www.google.com
Yes, but that's not the norm. Apex Legends was a rare case. Also, it was F2P.They can just announce everything in September. Release the games between October and March.
Apex Legends was a total shadow drop. Huge hit.
You don’t really need to do months of marketing for a multiplayer game.
1. The Last of Us Part 2 MultiplayerYes, but that's not the norm. Apex Legends was a rare case. Also, it was F2P.
Considering that Sony is expecting a lot of PC revenue from these two games right out of the gate, I expect these games to be paid releases on PC, which would mean a pre-order period before the release.
But Gran Turismo 7 is their most live service game, the show is barely live service since it will be replaced next year. Gt7 will live as a service for yearsSo that leaves us with:
- The Show 22 released in April 2022. If The Show 2023 releases in April 2023, that wouldn't be in FY 22.
- They are also not counting Gran Turismo 7 as a live-service GaaS game.
- Destruction All Stars won't count.
Both could be / should be day one PC releases so that would also explain the increased $300 million forecasts from PC this FY.
- Naughty Dog's Multiplayer Game in the TLOU 2 universe.
- Something new like Helldivers 2 from Arrowhead.
Most likely including Destiny 2 since the Bungie acquisition will be complete later this year.Live Service Games.
I would expect that their traditional games would for the time being. I imagine once their GaaS get released is when we might see that change. Assuming at least a few of them do well.At least traditional games are also receiving more investment. It is GaaS that is simply seeing more. Curious if Bungie acquisition $ makes up a decent part of that chart.
Day and date games for PC aren't coming this year or next. There are loads of games for them to port to PC like Ghost of Tsushima, TLOU 1 and 2, Spiderman etc.They expect 300 million by next march from what exactly? 2 old ports?
But Sony isn't counting Gran Turismo 7 as a GaaS live-service game.But Gran Turismo 7 is their most live service game, the show is barely live service since it will be replaced next year. Gt7 will live as a service for years
I bet gt7 is one of then, especially with a possible pc release soon
End of an era! Ps going full Microsoft model by 2025.
I do, I'd love to own my games on PC and ps. My steam account is from day one steam and has hundreds of games, I'd live to add playstation games to that.You wish lmao…
In fact, Elden Ring made me appreciate Bloodborne more. Way better level design. Hoping for a re-release.They would be stupid not to remaster Bloodborne and release it on PC. Look at how well Elden Ring has done.
Cous it isn't, its a single player game with an online componant attacked to it...They're not calling Gran Turismo 7 a live service game? That seems odd...
Reads like someone who two years ago said no chance of games coming to PC at all lmao…You wish lmao…
Of course. They are factoring everything pC related...but the major drive will be the 2 live service games.Sony is clueless if they expect to achieve those numbers this FY by multiplayer gaas alone. Competition on PC for MP games is a LOT tougher than in console.
I'm sure they are factoring in revenue from upcoming single player games.
Yes. It also says that it won't be at the expenses of traditional games: in FY2025 they will invest more in traditional games than now.Wait wait wait....
Does that chart suggest Sony PlayStation will be putting more money into Live Service by 2025 than traditional games?
Am I reading that correctly?
Sony just posted in that PDF their best numbers ever, it's dumb to call them clueless. Regarding GaaS, in the slides they talk about console and mobile. When detailing their releases per platform they have a "PS4+PS5" group but not a "PS5+PC" group and having a "PC" group instead, very likely meaning that for PC what they plan is to continue porting old (mostly) single player games.Sony is clueless if they expect to achieve those numbers this FY by multiplayer gaas alone. Competition on PC for MP games is a LOT tougher than in console.
I'm sure they are factoring in revenue from upcoming single player games.
Like gran turismo sport it's a live service, a GaaS. It requires online and gets updated periodically adding new content and changes, features microtransactions and also has multiplayer.Cous it isn't, its a single player game with an online componant attacked to it...
No, Sony never said they plan to release their games day one on PC or subscriptions.End of an era! Ps going full Microsoft model by 2025.
They missed their targets last year will probably happen again.
End of an era! Ps going full Microsoft model by 2025.
Returnal is coming to Steam.How in the hell are they going to get to 300M in 2022?
They will probably need to unleash all kinds of PS4 games and PS5 games on PC for that to happen. I'm talking stuff like Spiderman, Horizon: FW, Gran Turismo, The Last of Us, etc...
Reads like half the fanboys in this very topic that still think that even though Sony is double tripling down every couple months with more news of PC focus.Reads like someone who two years ago said no chance of games coming to PC at all lmao…
I would expect that their traditional games would for the time being. I imagine once their GaaS get released is when we might see that change. Assuming at least a few of them do well.
On one hand I'd really like to see them release a really good multiplayer game, which would almost certainly be of the live service variety. While their inexperience with such games certainly has it's drawbacks, it might result in a game that comes at multiplayer from a different angle or with fresh ideas due to that inexperience.
But man, could you imagine if Sony makes something that is crazy successful? Like fortnite or similar? As much as I'd be excited for that, it would simultaneously be the death toll for the vast amount of their singleplayer offerings.
Returnal is coming to Steam.
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GoW made just $26 million. And thats their biggest IP. To get to $300 million, they will need 11 of those games. Assuming their live service games make $50 million each, you still need 8 GOW caliber ports to hit $300 million.
Going by the sales part it looks like the avg game gets about $27 revenue per copy. Working backwards with steam's 30% cut, it's about $38 retail price on average.
I do, I'd love to own my games on PC and ps. My steam account is from day one steam and has hundreds of games, I'd live to add playstation games to that.
Reads like someone who two years ago said no chance of games coming to PC at all lmao…
Cous it isn't, its a single player game with an online componant attacked to it...
Bungie games, MLB and gran turismo will be very successful. And I bet Deviation, Firewalk and Haven also have high chances of being successful considering the pedigree of their teams.I would argue that the exact opposite would happen. Sony are investing this much in gaas titles because there is no guarantee any of the projects stick the landing...but if only one of them...or maybe a couple succeed in becoming money printing machines, I think that that would make them concentrate on updating and nurturing said titles, while using part of the proceeds to pay for the expensive SP products; New gaas IPs would be introduced sparingly from that point onward. If Sony succeeds in their gaas endeavours, we will be seeing more big budgeted SP franchises, not less.
He didn't say "unannounced" he did show this where for some reason they forgot to include GT7 (obviously in the Live Service side). Their last FY GaaS game was GT7. The two GaaS for this FY year are MLB The Show 22 and something else, very likely TLOU Factions, but this FY they may also release a Bungie new IP because they plan to release "at least one" (so they are working on more) before 2025/2026.How's that any different than MLB The Show? GT7 is already getting 3 free cars this month. Though, I guess people have heard Jim Ryan say they have 2 unannounced Live Service games scheduled to release before March 2023?
They saw that to port old hits to PC has a huge ROI and is very profitable for them, and also use them to promote movie, tv shows or PS5 only sequels. As a result they doubled down on that strategy.I want them to release games on PC ASAP, but they have A LOT to port in the short term. Like why would you release Spider-man 2 on PC before releasing first game and MM? They have a lot of catching up to do, plus release of MP games (which will be day 1). There is also the fact that you'll have more capable PCs as time goes by, especially if you release something really next-gen at some point.
I think we can expect most of what is "free" on PS Plus to be ported soon-ish (except for Bloodborne, because of course))). This way there is clear advantage on PS to get these games at the price of subscription, while they'll also make games on PC.
GoT, TLOU-bundle, Returnal, Demon's Souls, Spider-man and MM eventually, maybe previous Ratchet before last one, etc. These things take time in any case.
That's all fine and good. Jimmy boy just better continue to bring that heat to Steam and PC in general. I'm here for all the smoke!Going by the sales part it looks like the avg game gets about $27 revenue per copy. Working backwards with steam's 30% cut, it's about $38 retail price on average.
But the game never really went on sale. It's still $50. and likely higher in european markets.Going by the sales part it looks like the avg game gets about $27 revenue per copy. Working backwards with steam's 30% cut, it's about $38 retail price on average.
Going by the sales part it looks like the avg game gets about $27 revenue per copy. Working backwards with steam's 30% cut, it's about $38 retail price on average.
But the game never really went on sale. It's still $50. and likely higher in european markets.
If steam is taking a 30% cut, that means they get $35 per copy. 961k*35= 33,635,000 or $33 million. That means the port's budget was likely around $6 million.
What happens if the live service games make 100 million+ each? How do you know returnal won't make $30-40 million? Some games are far more suited for PC audiences than others. TLOU will do really well on PC same as Uncharted.Returnal is coming to Steam.
GoW made just $26 million. And thats their biggest IP. To get to $300 million, they will need 11 of those games. Assuming their live service games make $50 million each, you still need 8 GOW caliber ports to hit $300 million.
Their live service games would have to sell 2 million copies to make $100 million on PC. We havent really seen that.What happens if the live service games make 100 million+ each? How do you know returnal won't make $30-40 million? Some games are far more suited for PC audiences than others. TLOU will do really well on PC same as Uncharted.
Yes. GoW sold that only at the end of the previous fiscal year. It will continue selling this year (now during a whole year, and as Steam users typically buy: discounted), like Days Gone and Horizon. I bet these two ports will be:They expect 300 million by next march from what exactly? 2 old ports?
GoW sold that in only 2 months and a half and at full price. This FY it will sell during a whole year and pretty likely with nice discounts. Most Steam players buy discounted, not at full price.Their live service games would have to sell 2 million copies to make $100 million on PC. We havent really seen that.
And GOW is their biggest IP. It made $26 million. Returnal sold 500k on the PS5. It is not selling any more than that on PC. GOW sold 20 million on PS4. 1 million on PC. Thats a 1 in 20 ratio. Even if we go 1:1, we are looking at 500k sales and $13 million in revenue.
TLOU, Uncharted and GoT should do GOW numbers on PC. It's clear that the PC audience isnt really dying for Sony games. Elden Rings and Cyberpunk sold much better at around 6 and 8 million respectively.
Day one releases of GOW 2, Spiderman 2, and Wolverine might be different because a lot of the hardcore Sony fans are on PC now and they might pick them up on PC instead of PS5.
Remember the Nvidia leak:
With these games, you have your 300 million for 2023. In fact, I think that's a perfect goal with big year-over-year growth but easily achievable with these releases.
- Demon's Souls
- Ghosts of Tsushima
- God of War
- Gran Turismo 7
- Helldivers 2
- Horizon Forbidden West
- Ratchet & Clank
- Returnal
- Sackboy: A Big Adventure
- Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection
That would be amazing, and I'd definitely buy it day 1. I've already played through the games when they originally came out on PS3, and when the remastered trilogy came out on PS4. (I got the Platinum Trophy for each of the games in the trilogy). And I would play through them again.I'd love to see the Uncharted trilogy on PC one day.
Bruh! My jaw hit the floor when I got that text he passed. Life comes too damn fast.You had to post this video huh?