DeepEnigma
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Yes, that’s exactly what I said.
I know broad scope nuance is not your strong suit, so I won’t engage with you any further. Waste of time and energy.
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Activision/Blizzard and MIT announce "Diversity Space Tool", a software that helps developers determine how diverse their characters are
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I know broad scope nuance is not your strong suit, so I won’t engage with you any further. Waste of time and energy.Yes, that’s exactly what I said.
Your response is literally a push back against the dismissal of the absurd suggestion that this SPECIFIC instance of a diversity initiative is part of some larger goal to destroy "the West." There isn't any nuance to discover in that; the crazy is on full display.
But what about the elves and the dwarves? Are they anywhere in this tool? On a serious note, forced things or knee jerk re-actions like this are terrible. On the flip side, this company obviously brought this upon them self. The very fact that a company needs a tool like this, is just crazy town. In the end though, profits > than all of this.
Buggy Loop
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Heterosexual? Here's ZERO points for your sexual orientation..
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Bernd Lauert
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"Are you sure this will help us sell more games?"
"Games?"
"Games?"
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No, it wasn’t literally. You took it literally. This is a side effect of decades of social engineering and polarizing pushes from inside and outside forces at play.
Pick up a damned history book. A non revisioned one from yesteryear I will add.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Don't bother trying to talk with the blatant troll who purposefully takes things disingenuously and creates strawman arguments.
What is forced or kneejerk about any of this? Candy Crush developers had an internal idea six years ago that was operationalized by folks at MIT who saw an interesting problem and worked on a solution. A solution that has evolved into an internal performance tool that currently, which isn't being mandated for use or has had man hours diverted for its development. The doesn't scream "forced" to me. Nor does a response, not even a decade old, feel kneejerk in addressing an "issue" that is several decades long.
Feel free to point out the disingenuous or fallacious statements; otherwise this is just drive-by shit-posting.
lefty1117
Gold Member
Yeah. This is just too much. I'm all for representation and all that but now it's getting stupid. As for the conspiracy destroying civilization stuff, that's just as dumb as the tool. The reality is just that some people are taking it way too far and ultimately there will be a backlash, a snap back just like there is anytime society goes overboard on something.
Xenon
Member
Social justice movement became the social justice industry. Can't blame companies for going after the easy money.
What really is scary, is now all characters will be built with a bunch of identity attributes and they are going to start tracking things and coming up with asinine conclusions.
"Hello this is your game support and social behavior representative. We have noticed that you've been killing a lot of Asian NPC's and we want to have you take a quick bais test."
"I have been trying to get the speed record in Ghost of Tsushima 3, all the NPCs are asians!"
What really is scary, is now all characters will be built with a bunch of identity attributes and they are going to start tracking things and coming up with asinine conclusions.
"Hello this is your game support and social behavior representative. We have noticed that you've been killing a lot of Asian NPC's and we want to have you take a quick bais test."
"I have been trying to get the speed record in Ghost of Tsushima 3, all the NPCs are asians!"
Joshmyersbv
Member
I mean if your upset about this shit then don't buy their product. I haven't bought a game from Activision since the Modern Warfare remake.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
This is some 1984 bullshit.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
This might be rock bottom folks...
DaGwaphics
Member
I admit that I read headlines like this and then make cynical immediate posts without much research, so, I can't judge overreactions/knee-jerk reactions of others.
I did just see a video talking about this and they brought up the possibility of using something like this to automate the creation of npc profiles in an open world type thing. Where if you combined this with AI voice generation you could have much more varied and realistic conversations going on around you. And where, even though we all joke about the sexuality preferences and things like that in games, in a rpg type game where they have romantic type interactions it could be more realistic if it was possible to just waste your time on a character because they were just never going to be feeling you in the first place. Through that type of lens this could be very cool.
El Pistolero
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This is a waking nightmare..Philip K Dick would have eaten a dick before entertaining the mere possibility of imagining this ever happening. 
avin
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Portugeezer
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April fools was last month.
I think Tarzan (book/movie) is ultimately racist. Would I want them to erase/ban movies/books? Heck no, but if I was in charge of casting for the similar character, in the same location/context, I would chose a black protagonist. If I was making the game/movie about Vikings , I would not deliberately/purposefully want to cast gay or black protagonist unless it has the historical relevancy. IMO. All this woke stuff is essentially a commercialism, and its fair enough. Because it reflects (tries to appeal to) the demographic and cultural changes in most of the modern societies. But, shoveling it into everything by force, when completely unnecessary, just lessens the artistic achievement.
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AGRacing
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Spider-Man could be... a female character.Spiderman himself approved
Welcome to 2022... if you helped us get here... fuck you!
Astral Dog
Member
In the future,all videogames will be judged and rated by the diversometer, this is what we deserve
chromhound
Member
Even gay males are put on the side
killatopak
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I would love to see myself represented in Western games but the problems start when I ask excitedly why you decided to include mine and get answered that I was just a quota.
Really? Am I just a number to you?
Really? Am I just a number to you?
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Well that was a creepy and disturbing article.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Good Lord no....Microsoft won't even stop it either. They are all about it. I'm all for diversity as long as it makes sense.
Like ok, so as many of you know, I'm black right? Here's how this feels to me.
It's like when you have the "token" black guy. It's kind of offensive because you're being included just for some white folks to say they gotta black guy.
This is like that, but now everybody's a got damn token. They don't get it. Diversity is fine as long as it's not SJW service to do it.
You don't have to force it. If it doesn't come natural I'd rather you not do it at all.
Like ok, so as many of you know, I'm black right? Here's how this feels to me.
It's like when you have the "token" black guy. It's kind of offensive because you're being included just for some white folks to say they gotta black guy.
This is like that, but now everybody's a got damn token. They don't get it. Diversity is fine as long as it's not SJW service to do it.
You don't have to force it. If it doesn't come natural I'd rather you not do it at all.
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balls of snow
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Should be open source so we can test out with other game characters. Cal Kestis from Jedi Falen Order = 0. Ashley Tisdale from House of Ash = 5. Nadine from Lost Legacy = 15. Knack = 100.
Grildon Tundy
Gold Member
What issues are those?
Dream-Knife
Banned
AAA gaming needs to die.
Rhazer Fusion
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So instead of trying to make better games and innovating, they are putting all this effort into this nonsensical crap that won’t do anything to improve the games? Who cares!!!
Dirk Benedict
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Whoa. This news is enough to maybe get me to Think Twice about buying anything from this company, going forward.
Instead of pre-ordering D4, I am going to look at it from an analytical POV and go from there.
What this company is turning into... is not something I agree with. While they have tons of problems internally, with how they treat their employees, I don't see their "fixes" doing anything to help both them and game development. Not in my opinion.
Eh... D2 Remastered and D3 before that, were the only games I've bought from them within the last 10 years. I don't even think it would matter if I stopped buying games from Activision/Blizzard.
But, hey, maybe D4 will turn out good... who knows?
Instead of pre-ordering D4, I am going to look at it from an analytical POV and go from there.
What this company is turning into... is not something I agree with. While they have tons of problems internally, with how they treat their employees, I don't see their "fixes" doing anything to help both them and game development. Not in my opinion.
Eh... D2 Remastered and D3 before that, were the only games I've bought from them within the last 10 years. I don't even think it would matter if I stopped buying games from Activision/Blizzard.
But, hey, maybe D4 will turn out good... who knows?
Dream-Knife
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Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt.
nush
Gold Member
This fair and automated diversity is not going to appease the people crying about lack of diversity at all because it's going to spit out the wrong type of diversity and not the agenda diversity they are actually pushing for. They want their bias represented, not fair and equal representation.
March Climber
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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You'd think that at some point, one of these young beta male programmers learn that traits among human individuals aren't distributed evenly for fairness. That, for example, an IQ between 90 and 110 is much more likely for any given individual than say 150 oder 70. That men are much more likely to act aggressively than women. And so on. I guess the bell curve is racist. Mother nature is, too. To me this sounds like self hatred, a rejection of life itself. Pure nihilism.
Fredrik
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Yeah I’m thinking it could end with some interesting results. Could be a good thing since they’re actually talking about body types as well. For some reason that has been completely forgotten when talking about diversity in character designs, for awhile now there has been zero body diversity in the west, could almost just do a head swap to change gender.
Darth_Ghandi
Banned
No people are pretty dumb.
Bad writing is bad writing. I have no idea why people get so pissed if it regards a minority.
Elder Legend
Banned
I am a Jew and I have yet too see any prominent or important character with a Jewish background. I think the closest thing we had was Dina from TLOU 2 lol. But to be fair, I don't really care, but if we're gonna go down this rabbit hole I have yet too see them represent Israeli or Jewish in any shape or form. It's always the black or mixed race that gets reprsented quite a lot and again I do not really care but I just find it how certain nationalities get represented more than others.
I'd be interested in seeing Aztec, Indian, Egyptian characters more than anyone else to be honest. When was a last time we had a game that was based of Aztec culture or civilization ? Or Mayan? Like never lol.
TLDR - Forced diversity still sucks. Either do it because you want to from the get go or do not do it at all you fucking morons.
I'd be interested in seeing Aztec, Indian, Egyptian characters more than anyone else to be honest. When was a last time we had a game that was based of Aztec culture or civilization ? Or Mayan? Like never lol.
TLDR - Forced diversity still sucks. Either do it because you want to from the get go or do not do it at all you fucking morons.
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