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[The_Mike]

“Equally, if people want to play Fornite or Call of Duty or FIFA, and have their sustained engagement that way, that’s fine, too. Nobody is obliged to do anything.”

Game pass is very popular if you take in mind actually owns an Xbox.

I guess it comes down to sales numbers. Sony can easily show big numbers. If people subbed instead it could probably hurt with investors.

 

[adamsapple]

Making Online play not free, Porting exclusives games on PC, making this sub service with a bunch of free renting games...

but yeah let's act like Sony aren't following MS's footsteps

Ok to be fair, online hasn't been free on PS for almost 10 years and porting games to PC is just a way to generate more revenue.

A sub service is the only thing we can remotely say is them following MS but even that is just a rebranding of their existing services.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Funny that no one is saying Nintendo is doomed? When arguablly they are even less invested in subscriptions?

Maybe it is because Nintendo is going at it just fine and that the hole in your argument collapses when it isn't about Playstation?

Who told you I am a Nintendo fan ? or Xbox fan for that matter? I just play games I like period. I do not align myself with a stupid corporation name. My opinion is how fucked up Jim management is, is my own opinion and I do not need you or anyone else for validation. it's really sad how some people can't even look at the bigger picture of what he said and been doing is a clear sign of a short-term vision. There is no way to think otherwise.

this whole service here is designed for 1 thing. trying to milk more money with ZERO effort is done. Streaming PS3 games? are you fucking kidding me? Can't even fucking higher couple of nerds emulate a 16-year-old console? GTFO with this BS ( Not you, speaking In general).

Main while 80% of the library from the other company, not only emulate and work perfectly on their system. They also managed to boost the frames / Graphics of some of those said games. Then this idiot comes and has the nerve to talk about subscriptions won't dominate the industry? I only wish someone in the future can shove his quotes up his ass when he is proven wrong. but then again, he will say " oh different time, things change " when he isn't preparing his company for a big shift.

But of course, who am I to judge? a mere neogaf mortal.. right? lol. because everyone think he is a godsend without mistakes "pukes"

Note: just to be clear too. I am not a fan of subscription-based services in general. Because its success means the physical will start to vanish, whatever sooner or later. and I grew up on collecting physical games so its not in my best personal interest to lose this ability.

 

[Craig of War]

At this point it best that Jim Ryan stop talking cause he been wrong and have done a 180 on a lot of things he has said

 

[Rac3r]

Subscriptions are the future. Ask people if their gaming experience was better before or after Game Pass. Hell ask Sega fans, many of which have fond memories of Sega Channel and discovered/played so many games.

It depends on the person. Many people only play certain games like Fifa, COD, 2K etc. where a service like Game Pass is unnecessary. Others pick and choose what they want to play, and a game subscription would need to have those titles available.

Gaming is a much larger time commitment than listening to music on Spotify or watching tv/movies on Netflix (both of which can be done passively). Maybe some people have no idea what they like and a service like Game Pass would make their experience better. However, to your Sega channel point, games have a lot more visibility now than they did in the 90's thanks to social media. Sifu sold over a million copies in a month as an indie game and barely hit 80 on metacritic.

Personally, I really don't see the appeal unless 1. you have unlimited time, or 2. every game you like is on the service.

 

[MScarpa]

Only a matter of time until Game Pass moves to 20 dollars a month to help make up for what they just spent on Activision Blizzard.

It is at least an extra 1.5 billion a year, with the hope that the userbase grows significantly with CoD et all. Let's say you move from 25 to 35 million. That would b bring an extra 4 billion a year... still a long way towards paying off 70 billion dollars though, but that is some benefit to leaving CoD and other games multiplatform.

I just want to point this out because everytime i read it, it sounds ridiculous. MS doesn't have to "pay anything off" Where does this come from?Activision isn't all the sudden worth ZERO DOLLARS. Come on man. Leave the bias at the door, Or preface your statement by saying "I don't like Microsoft and I don't own an Xbox.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Movie studios said the same about streaming , so did the music industry.. Dinosaurs.. etc

If that's the case then why is Xbox in last place and they are pushing it the most? game subscriptions are poison to the industry.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Like I said .. dinosaurs .. try to look at the longer bigger picture .

If it was up to people we still would only have horses as transportation . It’s all for future proof .. in a couple of years even Sony will embrace it , but probably to late.

I understand what you mean, but what genuine advantages do streaming games or movies for example have over digital and physical media besides convenience? These companies are primarily pushing subscriptions and streaming to have more control over consumers and pricing. They want that constant and guaranteed revenue from consumers. I don’t mind streaming and subscriptions as an option, but I NEVER want it to be the only option especially with gaming.

 

[NT80]

Every industry in entertainment said the same then streaming dominates. Streaming will dominate...better for consumer and more profitable in long run...its an inevitable...market leader in the current model of course is resistant to change.

I hate it and the gaming version absolutely doesn't work for me.

 

[Coney]

This is a good vote of confidence right before you're gearing up to launch your own...

 

[sinnergy]

I understand what you mean, but what genuine advantages do streaming games or movies for example have over digital and physical media besides convenience? These companies are primarily pushing subscriptions and streaming to have more control over consumers and pricing. They want that constant and guaranteed revenue from consumers. I don’t mind streaming and subscriptions as an option, but I NEVER want it to be the only option especially with gaming.

The world is changing , generations are different , those kids have different ideas and views and use the internet and media different .. it’s for those and that’s the future . You don’t like it perhaps.. but that won’t change anything.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

This thread would make a lot more sense if members acknowledged PlayStations position, rather than act like Live Service Games don't have the potential to disrupt subscription services.

A service (game) that connects a large number of people has a market advantage over a service that divides players into isolated chambers. Human civilization and our preferences to be near eachother and such...

 

[JLB]

Lets see, though for some reason this sounds to me oddly similar to this

 

[Kamina]

I agree for now.
Too many gamers do not want that yet. We will see if this changes over the coming years.

 

[rofif]

I hope.
Subscription domination means no ownership whatsoever. Weaker games excused by "it's free" argument and shovelware. Like netflix.
I buy Physical console games for a reason. Because if I don't want my game patched, I don't patch it. If I want to paly it offline, I do that. If I want to sell it, I can.

 

[chonga]

This thread would make a lot more sense if members acknowledged PlayStations position, rather than act like Live Service Games don't have the potential to disrupt subscription services.

A service (game) that connects a large number of people has a market advantage over a service that divides players into isolated chambers. Human civilization and our preferences to be near eachother and such...

This thread is full of people who are posting as if Jimbo has said that subscription services will fail, or will never take off or that people will reject them and want to pay $70 a game instead or that it is something Sony won't be entertaining.

All he said was that 'it won't reach Netflix and Spotify levels' - which is to say that it won't reach hundreds of millions of subscribers and won't be a must-have for every household. And that's totally right, and there are two limiting factors - one is that whilst gaming appeals to a wide range of people but some couple in their 60s ain't playing no games, but they will listen to music and watch films. Second is time, and the titles you mention, as did he, are titles that take up gallons of time. The more time you invest in one thing, the less value you will see in another.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

1. You have to have meaty "current" content not older and meatless fillers.
2 You have to be available on ALL devices.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Man, xbox fans want Sony to validate game pass so badly, but game pass hasn't changed Xbox position in the industry. Still number 3.

Why would Sony follow the lead of the company in third??

 

[EverydayBeast]

Another subscription.

 

[Negotiator101]

 

[Dr.brain64]

Sony gives the option and that's all that matters.

 

[Hugare]

Time will tell

Right now, you can't deny that Sony strategy is working, still selling 10M+ with every new AAA first party title released

They cant compete with Game Pass, but I dont think they need to.

Nintendo is also doing their own thing and they are printing money with every new release

Wake me up when the numbers start dropping

 

[Dream-Knife]

“I think that trend towards live services will continue, and if you look for a model in our category of entertainment, which supports sustained engagement over a long period of time, live services games arguably fit that bill better than a subscription service.

“But it’s all about choice. There are obviously many millions of people who are happy to subscribe to PlayStation Plus. We offer them that option on the platform, and we think that we are offering a significantly improved option with the changes we have made.

He's hinting at the direction for the future, live service games that are multi-platform.

As for day and date, of course not. He knows people will sub to PS+ regardless, and still buy $70 games. I think he wants to emulate Nintendo in that way.

 

[Swift_Star]

Who told you I am a Nintendo fan ? or Xbox fan for that matter? I just play games I like period. I do not align myself with a stupid corporation name. My opinion is how fucked up Jim management is, is my own opinion and I do not need you or anyone else for validation. it's really sad how some people can't even look at the bigger picture of what he said and been doing is a clear sign of a short-term vision. There is no way to think otherwise.

this whole service here is designed for 1 thing. trying to milk more money with ZERO effort is done. Streaming PS3 games? are you fucking kidding me? Can't even fucking higher couple of nerds emulate a 16-year-old console? GTFO with this BS ( Not you, speaking In general).

Main while 80% of the library from the other company, not only emulate and work perfectly on their system. They also managed to boost the frames / Graphics of some of those said games. Then this idiot comes and has the nerve to talk about subscriptions won't dominate the industry? I only wish someone in the future can shove his quotes up his ass when he is proven wrong. but then again, he will say " oh different time, things change " when he isn't preparing his company for a big shift.

But of course, who am I to judge? a mere neogaf mortal.. right? lol. because everyone think he is a godsend without mistakes "pukes"

Note: just to be clear too. I am not a fan of subscription-based services in general. Because its success means the physical will start to vanish, whatever sooner or later. and I grew up on collecting physical games so its not in my best personal interest to lose this ability.

How is Jim management fucked up if they're generating more revenue than ever? PS is more popular than ever.
I have one thing for you:

I just now realized you're another one of the CONCERNED CITIZENS.

 

[Kerotan]

Movie studios said the same about streaming , so did the music industry.. Dinosaurs.. etc

"Cinemas are dead, streaming is the future".

Then COVID hits "Death of cinemas moved even closer".

Meanwhile film's continue to do huge numbers.

 

[DeepEnigma]

"Cinemas are dead, streaming is the future".

Then COVID hits "Death of cinemas moved even closer".

Meanwhile film's continue to do huge numbers.

And Disney refuses to put the new Doctor Strange on Disney+ day one. Because... that sweet sweet global cinema PROFITS.

 

[Swift_Star]

Man, xbox fans want Sony to validate game pass so badly, but game pass hasn't changed Xbox position in the industry. Still number 3.

Why would Sony follow the lead of the company in third??

I think that's actually it.

 

[reksveks]

"Cinemas are dead, streaming is the future".

Then COVID hits "Death of cinemas moved even closer".

Meanwhile film's continue to do huge numbers.

Movies has bifurcated between blockbusters and non blockbusters.

2019 - $42.5bn
2020 - $12.0bn*
2021 - $21.4bn

Worldwide Box Office Climbed 78% In 2021 To $21.4 Billion Amid Covid Flux As ‘Spider-Man’ Brought The Year Home: Global Studio Rankings

Numbers were up significantly in 2021 at the global box office to an estimated at $21.4 billion, 78% higher than 2020.

deadline.com

Take that however you want.

 

[//DEVIL//]

How is Jim management fucked up if they're generating more revenue than ever? PS is more popular than ever.
I have one thing for you:

I just now realized you're another one of the CONCERNED CITIZENS.

And you are one of those that don’t get it . There is a difference between him doing good and him riding the success of the ps4 and making short term choices for the short term profit .

But sure whatever. I don’t like to debate random people on the net . Each has his own opinion and I respect all.

Also fuck concerned citizens lol

 

[JTCx]

And Disney refuses to put the new Doctor Strange on Disney+ day one. Because... that sweet sweet global cinema PROFITS.

And just recently tom cruise lawyered up and did not want his new mission impossible movie to go to streaming after the 45 day window.

 

[twilo99]

I can't think of even ONE streaming service that has been able to make it work recently... I heard about Spotify and maybe they are going to make it, but nothing is really certain as of right now.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And just recently tom cruise lawyered up and did not want his new mission impossible movie to go to streaming after the 45 day window.

Yep, a lot of the higher profile actors/producers have profit sharing deals in their contracts. So it serves their interests for it to do better, profits wise.

Need we forget,

Scarlett Johansson Sues Disney Over ‘Black Widow’ Streaming Release

Scarlett Johansson, star of Marvel Entertainment’s 2021 movie “Black Widow,” has filed suit against Walt Disney Co. over the decision to release the movie on Disney+ at the same time as in theaters.

www.wsj.com

 

[Kerotan]

And Disney refuses to put the new Doctor Strange on Disney+ day one. Because... that sweet sweet global cinema PROFITS.

Exactly and Disney and Sony have something in common. They're both top dogs with big pulling power. If people were buying Xbox games from MS day 1 the way they do for PlayStation MS wouldn't be offering this.

Sony also have a policy with their movis. Give them 6 weeks in the cinema before they hit streaming services.

 

[WitchHunter]

Movie studios said the same about streaming , so did the music industry.. Dinosaurs.. etc

Well, netflix is going down in quality big time.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Of course they would say that. I’m sure the CEO of blockbuster had some opinions about Netflix viability too.

 

[ReBurn]

So Sony is launching this updated service that they have no faith in?

 

[Hezekiah]

Like I said .. dinosaurs .. try to look at the longer bigger picture .

If it was up to people we still would only have horses as transportation . It’s all for future proof .. in a couple of years even Sony will embrace it , but probably to late.

They are looking at the bigger picture - and all they see are massive losses.

Updated PS+ service, an increased focus on live service games along with an expansion in first-party studios, and continuing investment in VR technology. Doesn't sound like a dinosaur to me.

 

[Swift_Star]

Like I said .. dinosaurs .. try to look at the longer bigger picture .

If it was up to people we still would only have horses as transportation . It’s all for future proof .. in a couple of years even Sony will embrace it , but probably to late.

peopke aren’t really subscribing to the iOS and google play gaming subscription services…
That is pretty telling.

 

[Hezekiah]

People are really not understanding how the market has changed especially since gaming went to digital store fronts.

Sony probably get like 3-5% of game sales on physical games for royalties. They now get 30% of game sales. Every game sold, 30% this is why their revenue is so much higher than Microsoft's and Nintendo's, not because their games outsell Nintendo's but because the collective of games on PS consoles sell more than Microsoft and Nintendo and Sony takes a 30 percent chunk out of that.

I can see Sony returning to the mobile space and selling a for-profit handheld that just runs PS4/PS5 games. Models change all the time.

But subscriptions are very difficult to keep the margins up, especially as content becomes more expensive and the result is the ever-increasing monthly cost.

Only a matter of time until Game Pass moves to 20 dollars a month to help make up for what they just spent on Activision Blizzard.

It is at least an extra 1.5 billion a year, with the hope that the userbase grows significantly with CoD et all. Let's say you move from 25 to 35 million. That would b bring an extra 4 billion a year... still a long way towards paying off 70 billion dollars though, but that is some benefit to leaving CoD and other games multiplatform.

A game like Spider-Man 2 can probably do 1.4 billion dollars by itself...I'm sure there is a lot of that margin going to Marvel, but you look at a God of War 1-3 remake and if they can all do as well as God of War 2018 that's 3 more games that probably each generate a billion dollars in revenue. Now look at how many studios Sony is putting together and how many games they're looking to make and not every game needs to sell 20 million copies and some will bring in revenue via GaaS individually.

And the more content creators they can add to their team, they'll always be positioned to pivot to a sub-model if the time comes.

A handheld that plays PS4/PS5 games would be amazing. However, I think it's more likely Sony scoops up some studios to make mobile versions of their existing IPs.

A !ot of people seem to really struggle this. The constant investment into further content often makes the margins razor thin.

This is why it is obvious that GamePass will see steep price increases in the short/medium-term.

The increase to £70 games was the first proper increase in game prices for years - hell games cost up to £60 in the 90s. GamePass will proportionally be seeing much bigger increases so making comparisons is blinkered.

 

[FullMetalx117]

The "event" factor will certainly go away for games if we move to subscriptions. I really like gamepass, has saved me a ton of money, but lack of scarcity has made me think none of the games on there are all that special. Halo Infinite - my most played series of all time (Halo 3 in particular), a series I would stand in line at midnight for - I have yet to play and haven't bought any physical editions because it's on gamepass - it'll always be there. So in the end I'll probably save the campaign for a very boring, rainy day.

I'm an Xbox guy but no doubt PS5 is wayyyy more popular. Switch too. When Sony and Nintendo are dominating like this, to the point where Microsoft isn't even close, why would they ever turn to subscription services. Companies usually do this in a desperate move to gain market share. And for Microsoft, with their Activision/Bethesda acquisitions, day 1 launches, etc, gamepass being a legit awesome deal, they are still wayyyy behind Sony/Nintendo. Why is that and what will exactly change that moving forward?

 

[Swift_Star]

The "event" factor will certainly go away for games if we move to subscriptions. I really like gamepass, has saved me a ton of money, but lack of scarcity has made me think none of the games on there are all that special. Halo Infinite - my most played series of all time (Halo 3 in particular), a series I would stand in line at midnight for - I have yet to play and haven't bought any physical editions because it's on gamepass - it'll always be there. So in the end I'll probably save the campaign for a very boring, rainy day.

I'm an Xbox guy but no doubt PS5 is wayyyy more popular. Switch too. When Sony and Nintendo are dominating like this, to the point where Microsoft isn't even close, why would they ever turn to subscription services. Companies usually do this in a desperate move to gain market share. And for Microsoft, with their Activision/Bethesda acquisitions, day 1 launches, etc, gamepass being a legit awesome deal, they are still wayyyy behind Sony/Nintendo. Why is that and what will exactly change that moving forward?

That’s what devaluing feels like.

 

[Lognor]

The "event" factor will certainly go away for games if we move to subscriptions. I really like gamepass, has saved me a ton of money, but lack of scarcity has made me think none of the games on there are all that special. Halo Infinite - my most played series of all time (Halo 3 in particular), a series I would stand in line at midnight for - I have yet to play and haven't bought any physical editions because it's on gamepass - it'll always be there. So in the end I'll probably save the campaign for a very boring, rainy day.

I'm an Xbox guy but no doubt PS5 is wayyyy more popular. Switch too. When Sony and Nintendo are dominating like this, to the point where Microsoft isn't even close, why would they ever turn to subscription services. Companies usually do this in a desperate move to gain market share. And for Microsoft, with their Activision/Bethesda acquisitions, day 1 launches, etc, gamepass being a legit awesome deal, they are still wayyyy behind Sony/Nintendo. Why is that and what will exactly change that moving forward?

What does this even mean? Companies turn to subscription services as a desperate move? So when Netflix started they were desperate? Spotify? Disney Plus? Hulu? Apple TV? Apple Arcade?

That's a ridiculous thing to say. All of the above examples started subscription services and all are sucessful, at varying degrees. But you're saying these subscriptions were done out of desperation to gain market share? That makes absolutely no sense! Sounds like console warring if anything. It's such a stupid ting to say.

And isn't that kind of on you that you haven't played Halo? That's a YOU problem. I love the Souls games and have played all of them up to Elden Ring (except the Demon Souls remake) but I did not buy Elden Ring because I have my hands full with other games, particularly Game Pass games. Whose problem is that? Mine! Blaming Game Pass for your unwillingness to play Halo Infinite is bizarre.

 

[Hezekiah]

And you are one of those that don’t get it . There is a difference between him doing good and him riding the success of the ps4 and making short term choices for the short term profit .

But sure whatever. I don’t like to debate random people on the net . Each has his own opinion and I respect all.

Also fuck concerned citizens lol

This is what Jimbo said:
“But the medium of gaming is so very different to music and to linear entertainment, that I don’t think we’ll see it go to the levels that we see with Spotify and Netflix.”

Spotify has 180m subscribers. Netflix has 220m subscribers.

And you've got the nerve to say he 'doesnt get it'

 

[FullMetalx117]

What does this even mean? Companies turn to subscription services as a desperate move? So when Netflix started they were desperate? Spotify? Disney Plus? Hulu? Apple TV? Apple Arcade?

That's a ridiculous thing to say. All of the above examples started subscription services and all are sucessful, at varying degrees. But you're saying these subscriptions were done out of desperation to gain market share? That makes absolutely no sense! Sounds like console warring if anything. It's such a stupid ting to say.

And isn't that kind of on you that you haven't played Halo? That's a YOU problem. I love the Souls games and have played all of them up to Elden Ring (except the Demon Souls remake) but I did not buy Elden Ring because I have my hands full with other games, particularly Game Pass games. Whose problem is that? Mine! Blaming Game Pass for your unwillingness to play Halo Infinite is bizarre.

Netflix was just a DVD mailing company - and then they turned to streaming to gain market share. Spotify had the same idea - we will never compete with itunes, let's disrupt the space and offer unlimited streaming, lose a lot of money, but then gain the market share. Apple and Disney followed years later when streaming has become normalized. Netflix and Spotify do not pull in close to the profits as legacy did but yeah people are excited of the prospect everyone on earth will have a netflix sub which is why the company is valued as much. Disney/Apple would've preferred to keep things the way they are if they could, because profit through streaming just isn't there.

I don't think the streaming story has fully played out yet. I fully expect that streaming will either match/surpass prices that consumers were paying for legacy (a reason they moved away in the first place).

And these companies are for movies/music. A much easier medium to stream, build infrastructure for, etc. Games are on another level and will most likely always involve a 50gb+ download. If everyone moves to gamepass/streaming, internet costs will certainly make up for it in some way.

And all of these companies are just following Amazon - lose money for over a decade by building a platform and offering an amazing too good to be true service like Prime. Wipe away competition, and then gradually raise price of the service over time as consumers don't have much of a choice anymore since competition was destroyed. It worked for Amazon but it won't work for everyone. It is also unsustainable for every company to do this - lose money for years to build up a platform/gain market share

 

[Lognor]

Netflix was just a DVD mailing company - and then they turned to streaming to gain market share. Spotify had the same idea - we will never compete with itunes, let's disrupt the space and offer unlimited streaming, lose a lot of money, but then gain the market share. Apple and Disney followed years later when streaming has become normalized. Netflix and Spotify do not pull in close to the profits as legacy did but yeah people are excited of the prospect everyone on earth will have a netflix sub which is why the company is valued as much. Disney/Apple would've preferred to keep things the way they are if they could, because profit through streaming just isn't there.

I don't think the streaming story has fully played out yet. I fully expect that streaming will either match/surpass prices that consumers were paying for legacy (a reason they moved away in the first place).

And these companies are for movies/music. A much easier medium to stream, build infrastructure for, etc. Games are on another level and will most likely always involve a 50gb+ download. If everyone moves to gamepass/streaming, internet costs will certainly make up for it in some way.

Netflix was STILL a subscription service when it was dvds by mail. LOL. That was their entire business model. A subscription service! But it was a desperate play? PE firms threw money at Netflix and their desperate ploy? That makes no sense. They had a ton of foresight, and even think they knew at the start they wanted to be a streaming company but the tech wasn't there yet. Hence the name Netflix.

And Microsoft has shifted their Office apps to a subscription model. Microsoft, the leader in business software with no other company coming close. They were desperate so they switched to a subscription model? You're clearly not thinking this through...

You got a source on this statement: "Disney/Apple would've preferred to keep things the way they are if they could."? That seems like complete bs that you made up. I've never seen any comments to suggest that Disney and Apple made those decisions due to desperation. It's laughable!

There was no desperation in any of these moves. Microsoft saw Game Pass as a blue ocean strategy, not as a desperate ploy. It has been working out very well for them too.

 

[FullMetalx117]

Netflix was STILL a subscription service when it was dvds by mail. LOL. That was their entire business model. A subscription service! But it was a desperate play? PE firms threw money at Netflix and their desperate ploy? That makes no sense. They had a ton of foresight, and even think they knew at the start they wanted to be a streaming company but the tech wasn't there yet. Hence the name Netflix.

And Microsoft has shifted their Office apps to a subscription model. Microsoft, the leader in business software with no other company coming close. They were desperate so they switched to a subscription model? You're clearly not thinking this through...

You got a source on this statement: "Disney/Apple would've preferred to keep things the way they are if they could."? That seems like complete bs that you made up. I've never seen any comments to suggest that Disney and Apple made those decisions due to desperation. It's laughable!

There was no desperation in any of these moves. Microsoft saw Game Pass as a blue ocean strategy, not as a desperate ploy. It has been working out very well for them too.

When Netflix was making this move there was definitely no certainty that it'll work, PE firms knew it would be a risk. But Netflix had a choice - either be relevant or fade to obscurity - hence "desperate". Hindsight 20/20, the risk was worth it. But it was certainly a desperate move.

These tech companies are all following the Amazon model, some will succeed

 

[Lognor]

When Netflix was making this move there was definitely no certainty that it'll work, PE firms knew it would be a risk. But Netflix had a choice - either be relevant or fade to obscurity - hence "desperate". Hindsight 20/20, the risk was worth it. But it was certainly a desperate move.

These tech companies are all following the Amazon model, some will succeed

LOL, no it was not a desperate move by Netflix. There was no one else in the dvd by mail business. They adapted to the times. That's not desperation. Blockbuster copying Netflix with a dvd by mail service and eliminating late fees was a desperate move. By that time they had lost a ton of revenue. That's desperation. Not what Netflix did. You can't just make a blanket statement that subscription services are done out of desperation. We know people tend to continue to subscribe to a service so that's a benefit to the business. That's not desperation. That's savvy.

Amazon, another example. You are joking if you think every subscription service is done out of desperation. You don't understand business, clearly.

 

[//DEVIL//]

This is what Jimbo said:
“But the medium of gaming is so very different to music and to linear entertainment, that I don’t think we’ll see it go to the levels that we see with Spotify and Netflix.”

Spotify has 180m subscribers. Netflix has 220m subscribers.

And you've got the nerve to say he 'doesnt get it'

and a stupid Xbox that doesn't have shit of a user base, has 20+ million Xbox game pass subs. yeah. the idiot doesn't get it. How the fuck he says it won't have 180 million subs or even close to it when there is no 180 million Xbox and probably PC users combined. compared to at least 1 billion TV and 2 billion devices that have Spotify ??

However, he is willing to milk you for more money out of u by letting you stream PS3 Games .. Lmao. and he still wants your 70$ per game as well. honestly. the joke is on everyone who falls for this corporate BS. whatever its Nintendo/ Sony / MS.

You should vote with your wallet. but... most people are sheep so why does it matter?

 

[DaGwaphics]

Hmmm .. I don't think so. Happy to see sources on this though.

Streaming/theft is what killed the music industry. Covid hurt the movies. Movies were pulling in massive amounts of money at the theater before Covid hit. Directors hate seeing their movies go directly to streaming. Artists don't tend to like Spotify/AM or what Napster/Limewire did to the perception of the value of music. We are talking about people's livelihood's here, and I don't just mean the mega stars that are going to be fine with their tours and merchandise etc etc.

Just throwing the word "dinosaurs" out there does not demonstrate deep understanding of a market or show cleverness.

You're missing the point that it isn't the creators but the consumers that decide. Consumers decided that streaming would be the primary method of music consumption, much to the chagrin of artists and labels. The same could happen to games. If players decide that's how they want to purchase content in large numbers, that's the way it will be (because the players will just ignore the publishers that don't support the option).

In regards to films, I'm surprised that more movies didn't go the pay-per-view route over the straight streaming services. Seems like that would be a more acceptable next step, buy a ticket for the theater or for your TV.

 

[Hezekiah]

and a stupid Xbox that doesn't shit of a user base, has 20+ million xbox game pass subs. yeah. the idiot doesn't get it.

However he is willing to milk you for more out of u by letting you stream PS3 Games .. Lmao. and he still wants your 70$ per game as well. honestly. the joke is on everyone who falls for this corporate BS. whatever its Nintendo/ Sony / MS.

You should vote with your wallet. but... most people are sheep so what does it matter?

Every individual has the choice to sign up to PS+ Premium or not. If GamePass is so amazing, sign up to that, don't sign up to this - vote with your wallet as you say.

But if you actually look at what he's saying, it's that gaming subscription services won't reach the level of Netflix/Spotify. And guess what, the available evidence suggests he's right. As much as people wax lyrical about GamePass it's nowhere near 200m subs - and that's even with various promotions running, and the service being cheap as chips.

Not sure why so many people are getting triggered at such a simple statement. Oh wait....