DeepEnigma
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'Guy Who Makes Game Says His Game Is Off The Chain'
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Hellblade 2 Quality Is “Through the Roof”, Ninja Theory Combat Designer Says; Combat Experience Different Compared to Its Predecessor
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Look at your tag. You got it for a reason
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
I have never trusted any developers or studio talking about how great their game is since mgs5
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
I agree, combat wasn't it's strong point
It was more the experience and journey.
It's still shocks me they turned this
To this
Don't worry you'll probably get something much closer to the first picture in Project Mara...whenever that's ready to come out.
Right now out of the two I'd say HFW (on PS5 specifically) is the better-looking game, but it's also somewhat an unfair comparison since HFW is a full, finished game and has gone through the final visual polish. Hellblade II hasn't had that luxury yet since it's still in the middle of development.
That said while I expect the final game to look even better than what they showed in December, on a technical level I won't be surprised if the two games are extremely close. People underestimate the strength of the Decima engine IMO; it might not get a lot of buzz compared to UE5 but it's clearly obvious they've been optimizing the hell out of the engine from a performance standpoint and it'll leverage SSD I/O at least on par with UE5 when it comes to PS5 in future projects, if not even more so.
OTOH, Ninja Theory finally have a serious budget they can work with so it'll be great to see what they can finally do with a modestly large team and bigger backing. Subjectively it'll be impossible for me to claim either it or HFW as the best looking of the two because they go for completely different vibes visually but I'd dig a darker, moodier dark Celtic fantasy atmosphere just as much as the tribal high scifi/fantasy of HFW, for their own reasons.
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Don’t worry about being in the minority. Many people changed their minds about the game when MS bought Ninja Theory.
They’ve invested a lot in improving the combat, significantly increasing their combat team and bringing in veteran combat designers
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
Who gives a fuck about my tag I have a series x I champion vrr right next to Ricky
anthony2690
Banned
That would be awfully silly or petty reason to stop liking a game.
Surely no one would stop liking or enjoying a game just because some one other than their preferred plastic box maker now own the game/IP.
kiphalfton
Member
The first game feels like it had originally been intended as a walking sim, but somebody deep deep deep into development said to tack on combat.
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abacab driver
Banned
The gameplay reveal got people so shook, GAF went from thinking this game didn't even exist outside of "pictures of Iceland" 4 months ago to not wanting to hear Ninja Theory saying anything positive about it.
You hate to see it (literally).
You hate to see it (literally).
AdjudicatorHead
Member
Xbox studios and management in particular seem to have this terrible habit of screaming about how amazing all of their stuff is, but rarely having the goods to show for it.
They need to stop talking about Hellblade 2 until they can finally show more footage.
They need to stop talking about Hellblade 2 until they can finally show more footage.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
This. I liked the combat (relatively speaking), but that stupid "puzzles" were so bizarre and repetitive.
Yes, the combat lacked variety, but I liked the "weight" of the combat, especially when swords struck. If they can add some variety, that's great. But more than that, I hope they don't rely on those fluff puzzle pieces that aren't even puzzles.
One enthusiastic dev gave an interview in Spanish gushing about some of the work he’s been doing and you’re here wailing about ‘studios and management’. You think this was an official press release?
Gameplay footage isn’t the only source of information about games. Interviews, concept art, blog posts etc are also relevant sources…or at least they should be for a game enthusiast forum.
If you’re only interested in gameplay, why do you people enter these threads?
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Dr Bass
Member
I think people are forgetting what the intent of the original game even was. To "experience" what it might be like to be someone with mental illness/schizophrenia. Which is why you would hear the voices talking to you in surround sound. I get wanting to have empathy for people with mental issues, but I really don't see how that was a good idea for an entertainment product. And it showed. They focused so much on that, everything else was just not good. It was all about graphics and hearing voices in your head. The puzzles were rudimentary, the combat was not fun. It just wasn't a good game.
So, if that was the "gameplay reveal" describe the game to me? I know they also mentioned that you could "control" it during that sequence but ... well it remains to be seen what can be done. I don't think anyone is shook. We still haven't see anything of any depth, just a demo reel with no UI, no indication of how it plays, nothing. Just graphics. And it looks like a current gen console game, awesome. I have the XSX. I have GP Ultimate. I will play this. And I think the first game was a turd, for design and gameplay reasons. The visuals were really good for their day, and that was the main attraction even then. Everything else felt like a slog, and the theme of the game is just not something I'm into.The gameplay reveal got people so shook, GAF went from thinking this game didn't even exist outside of "pictures of Iceland" 4 months ago to not wanting to hear Ninja Theory saying anything positive about it.
You hate to see it (literally).
Again, it's ok to want more info before making up your mind. Ninja Theory doesn't nave this amazing track record so ... we need to wait and see.
And yes, a developer saying their own quality is "through the roof" compared to the first game is a silly statement and just more PR. Let your work do the talking. That goes for anything, really.
Kokoloko85
Member
Not surprised, they are one of the best western teams when it comes to combat. They are up there with Rocksteady & Santa Monica when they put there efforts in
They can easily do better than the 1st game
They can easily do better than the 1st game
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They won't show any of the upcoming projects before E3 at this point.
Let's all come to terms with this and if a developed is excited about their game, enjoy their excitement for a change instead of the typical nonsense every Starfield, Hellblade etc thread eventually devolves into.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
The original was a brilliant idea, but the combat was so weak. Hopefully, as they claim, this will be much better.
Dr Bass
Member
The nonsense of "we can't make a judgement because we haven't seen anything yet"?
IMO the "nonsense" I'm seeing is all of the unbridled enthusiasm from a certain group, that whines and moans and tries to shut anyone down anytime someone says we don't have anything to go by yet.
In no way will I ever "enjoy a developer's excitement." That is a positively absurd idea and statement. Have you ever watched tech shows and then seen what often times actually releases? Gimme a break.
I just want to make sure I have the record clear here. Wanting to see the game before trying to form an opinion is "nonsense." Saying a game has industry best visuals and "through the roof" quality and gameplay without a shred of real evidence is "enjoyable excitement." That's the position we are supposed to have?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
They were the highest rated publisher on metacritic last year
BusierDonkey
Member
Better than the first Hellblade to me isn't saying a lot.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No, the nonsense of the same couple of users saying the same nonsense ("i dont believe you" "but where mah game play at" etc) in all both this and the last hell-blade topic, and added points for the same users for saying the same things in the last couple of starfield topics.
You know exactly what I'm talking about, please don't play dumb.
This isn't a game play footage topic, this is just a developer hyping his game.
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Sega Orphan
Banned
Ninja Theory are an amazing studio. The quality from such a small team is really impressive. Even prior to MS purchase they put out high quality graphics.
They were one of the smarter buys by MS.
They were one of the smarter buys by MS.
oldergamer
Member
This. Why are these users wasting time with bullshit complaints? Do they do this in every thread where developers comment on upcoming games? No. Do they post in evey game thread saying developers should shut up until they have gameplay to show? No (despite seeing gameplay to a limited extent).
The only difference is this is an xbox game which brings with it a un even and often heavy handed critical response to simple things, like a trailer being shown early. Nobody does that right? Sony showed a god of war logo and people got all up into a frenzy about it. Did these same people respond the same way? Of course not.
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oldergamer
Member
It was. Did you know ms published thier first game on the original xbox?
Dr Bass
Member
I honestly don't, and I just don't see things the way you are describing them, because all I see are people who are saying that we just have nothing to go on. Which we don't. If we do, please point us to it? I'm not "playing dumb" and I think you are reading too much into things. Again, we have people saying Hellblade 2 is going to be the best looking game ever seen. And that Starfield is going to be the best RPG ever seen. I just ... don't get that. I have high hopes for Starfield and I think it will be good for sure. It's one of the only games I'm looking forward to for the rest of the year. But you know... I have to wait and see, like a reasonable person?
My favorite series of all time is Zelda, and I loved BotW. One of my favorite games of all time. I am looking forward to BotW 2. The trailers have been cool looking but the game could be a turd for all I know, and we've seen a lot more of BotW 2 than either Hellbade 2 or Starfield. Yet I can't have an opinion on it, even though Nintendo probably has the best track record in the history of video games. Again, because I am a reasonable person, and we need to see more. I have no idea how good, or bad, that game will turn out. We'll find out when it releases.
Going back to your "playing dumb" comment. I don't do that brother. I don't have a need to because I like everything, and I take things as they come. That's the funny thing about not being a console warring douche bag, you can just call things as you see them and don't need to have fake enthusiasm for one product, and try to nitpick another product. Yeah I am tougher on Xbox as of late because I don't think they are doing that great of a job. I'm rooting for them to do better. Back in the 360 days, I played mostly on the 360 and hardly touched the PS3. I go where the content is, because games, are what matters. I can't even believe I have to keep repeating that on this board. The number of people who are really here for the games seems to be pretty small. Most people really do seem to have an emotional attachment to one company or the other and want that company to "win."
I just want fun, well made games. And I just don't believe anything about how "good" a game will be until we can actually see and play the game. Sorry if you think that is "nonsense." I personally think that's the only way do this stuff.
Captain Toad
Banned
The ceiling is the roof!
sendit
Member
Agreed. If the combat is anything like their game last game that was released. They're going to be at the bleeding edge of gameplay.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
They are a good studio just a little shy of being great.
If they improve on their short comings and put out a polished product they would definitely be up there.
But they seem to bite off more then they can chew in the past with great vision but not so great execution
The first Hell Blade was good but still lacking.
I do think they've improved since Heavenly Sword but not enough to put them up there
And I'm sure if HS was a more polished product and meatier game Sony would have took them on.
Negotiator101
Member
What?
Negotiator101
Member
Yeah highest rated publisher on MC 2021 really need to get their act together
Hobbygaming
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Rhazer Fusion
Member
With Capcom’s assistance though.
VFXVeteran
Banned
Using UE5's Nanite and Lumen with primary development on the PC, we should see the best graphics this generation for an adventure game going strictly off of technology. Hopefully they'll get plenty of support from the Epic guys. Any other game being herald as the best graphics is simply subjective opinion since none of those games do anything advanced technically. We're still seeing crappy lighting pipelines (with the exception of some full RT solutions) and that's going to hold back every game coming out this generation from being a generation ahead of the previous one.
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01011001
Banned
you clearly didn't read the behind the scenes on that and how Capcom devs were send over periodically to oversee the fighting system and fix animation timings and stuff like that.
apparently at the very start they had them throw out everything they worked on if I remember this correctly, and had them redo the combat once.
01011001
Banned
quality graphics like DmC, which looked worse than DMC4 and ran at half the framerate of DMC4? that studio?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Will keep my eye on this.
I am guessing a 2023 release.
I am guessing a 2023 release.
3liteDragon
Member
Expecting this to hit Fall 2023.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I want to believe they'll announce a release date at E3 and this will be a Q4 2022 game.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Don't think so but would love to be wrong.I want to believe they'll announce a release date at E3 and this will be a Q4 2022 game.
Sega Orphan
Banned
The quality studio that put out Hellblade, that was made by a team of about 20 people and won awards.
The quality studio that made Heavenly Sword for the PS3 which was one of the first stunning looking games on that platform, eclipsing what Insomniac could do.
They are a quality studio. They produce graphics well above what a team their size should be able to do.
If you don't like their games, that's fine, but you can't take away what they are able to do.
Hobbygaming
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Yes, the puzzles were horrendous. I didn't mind the combat that much even though it was repetitive
Hobbygaming
has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
The visuals are amazing, if they can nail the combat and story, and make the puzzles better, Hellblade 2 will be special
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Um, yeah. Except they actually showed gameplay that looked better than any game ever made, ever! Got damn brov! I feel like some of y'all be responding with a hand that come straight out the damn bootyhole. TF. Legit shit posts galore!