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[Dr.Morris79]

How's REEE taking this?

Never fails to tickle me that, never

 

[Guilty_AI]

I don't remember the differences, but that's design structure and creativity. Pathfinding is coding. Games from 1990s have better design than both.

Different expertises. A studio that has been developing sandboxes for years and a studio that has been developing action RPGs for years, and you're comparing them in the sandbox aspects.
Why can't Rockstar figure out how to code proper movement or a good cover system for their new games despite making shooters for decades, while CDPR manages to make much better systems on their first try even if they're not perfect?

 

[M1chl]

The BC performance version was 1080p.

Well in this case this is at best 1440p (in city)

 

[Riky]

Am I the only one who turns off CA?

I've turned it off and the Film Grain and Motion Blur. It looks a lot cleaner now.

 

[GHG]

Surely people still can't be expecting a first-person WRPG to be GTA Future?

First of all:

Secondly, they said the things that people are asking about would be in the game. You're asking the wrong questions.

 

[anthony2690]

Does this still have a 60fps mode on series X?
I don't care about no ray tracing.

 

[TheMan]

Update on PC is like 45 gigs, ugh

 

[Romulus]

Different expertises. A studio that has been developing sandboxes for years and a studio that has been developing action RPGs for years, and you're comparing them in the sandbox aspects.
Why can't Rockstar figure out how to code proper movement or a good cover system for their new games despite making shooters for decades, while CDPR manages to make much better systems on their first try even if they're not perfect?

These are false equivalences and irrelevant to pathfinding discussion. We can talk about cover systems etc if you choose, to which I agree.

I don't seem to remember the witcher 3 pathfinding being this bad was it? Same studio no? And Cyberpunk's pathfinding is jarring as hell despite being a newer game with a bigger studio now.

 

[balls of snow]

Which is pretty much all that it has going for it. Horizon may lack fancy feature like ray tracing but its a complete package. Care, polish and attention to detail everywhere. The same could be said for games like Forza Horizon 5, Halo Infinite etc.

I'll eat my shoe if theres someone in horizon as good as Judy or hell, even Jackie.

 

[Umbasaborne]

They are not aware of this as this is a forbidden game

Lol the forbidden fruit of resetera, along with harry potter. Whose gonna risk the wrath of the mods by making a thread about these games?

 

[DragoonKain]

Do you need to keep the original PS4 version on the same storage as the PS5 upgrade? I installed an SSD a few months ago and was curious if they need to be in the same storage section of the PS5.

Or does it not matter.

 

[Isendurl]

First of all:

Secondly, they said the things that people are asking about would be in the game. You're asking the wrong questions.

You should check it again, it has been updated:

These are false equivalences and irrelevant to pathfinding discussion. We can talk about cover systems etc if you choose, to which I agree.

I don't seem to remember the witcher 3 pathfinding being this bad was it? Same studio no? And Cyberpunk's pathfinding is jarring as hell despite being a newer game with a bigger studio now.

Yes it was. In fact, most things people seems to complain about (like AI) are either as bad or worse in Witcher 3. People just didn't notice I guess because Witcher doesn't look like GTA.

 

[Strider Highwind]

So for those of you on console how do you like it(I didnt read all the pages im sorry). I ran through it in my initial playthrough on my 3090, and my 2nd playthrough on Series X and saw how much it lost between the two..Until some solid singleplayer story DLC hits im not reinstalling again.

 

[Tommi84]

What do you mean forbidden?

Speaking or creating a CP2077 threads is a bannable offense over there xD

 

[Guilty_AI]

These are false equivalences and irrelevant to pathfinding discussion. We can talk about cover systems etc if you choose, to which I agree.

You talk as if reducing two entire games to pedestrian path fidings and comparing them on that as if that even matters that much isn't dishonest either.

I don't seem to remember the witcher 3 pathfinding being this bad was it? Same studio no? And Cyberpunk's pathfinding is jarring as hell despite being a newer game with a bigger studio now.

It 100% was. In fact, it was worse, you'd get to places and characters would be doing and saying the exact same things over and over again, to the point of being annoying

 

[Justin9mm]

Turn off ca and film grain and the clarity is astounding especially compared to 1.3x. That res bump is so good.

What platform you playing on? You really think it's better with both off?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Lol NPC's still just strolling around like braindead zombies. The game world feels lifeless, dead.

Fucking Watch Dogs 2 has better, more believable NPC behavior than this and that game is how many years old now?

Forget Watch Dogs 2, see what Ubisoft did with AC:Unity.

 

[balls of snow]

You talk as if reducing two entire games to pedestrian path fidings and comparing them on that as if that even matters that much isn't dishonest either.

It 100% was. In fact, it was worse, you'd get to places and characters would be doing and saying the exact same things over and over again, to the point of being annoying

Pam param pam pam...Param.

 

[Romulus]

You talk as if reducing two entire games to pedestrian path fidings and comparing them on that as if that even matters that much isn't dishonest either.

It 100% was. In fact, it was worse, you'd get to places and characters would be doing and saying the exact same things over and over again, to the point of being annoying

The discussion was about pathfinding specifically, we can pivot to other aspects if need be but those are separate. I never once reduced the game to just pathfinding or design or coding, it was just a specific talking point, that's it.

I'll have to boot up Witcher 3 again to see for myself, but I don't remember it being that bad.

 

[ManaByte]

Speaking or creating a CP2077 threads is a bannable offense over there xD

But not if you're gifted a copy to play for "research".

 

[Guilty_AI]

Pam param pam pam...Param.

ITS RAINING ITS POURING

 

[balls of snow]

What platform you playing on? You really think it's better with both off?

Ps5 and yep, looks magnitude sharper than the abomination 1080p ps4 ver. I always turn off film grain though if its not mass effect.

 

[Guilty_AI]

The discussion was about pathfinding specifically, we can pivot to other aspects if need be but those are separate. I never once reduced the game to just pathfinding or design or coding, it was just a specific talking point, that's it.

I'll have to boot up Witcher 3 again to see for myself, but I don't remember it being that bad.

Not you, but the guy on the twitter definitely did.

 

[TonyK]

Exactly wtf is that about? Is there a single screenshot that shows drastic differences in quality and performance? Screenshots should easily favor quality mode if this is true in the slightest.

The difference is totally noticeable when playing. Regular lightning is like any other PS4, or even PS5 game out there. RT lighting is simply almost correct lighting. Objects and characters have now weight and belong to the scenario, it looks closer to a CG than normal gameplay. AO is amazing.

But it's true that it's difficult to show it in static photos. I tried myself to take screenshots in both modes and it's weird because in static photos, side by side, they look almost identical. But when playing it's perfectly noticeable, believe me. Regular version is like PS4, and RT version was simply not achievable last gen. But, again, at the cost of 30fps, and I know a lot of people will prefer the clarity and fastest response of 60fps than the CG feeling of the RT mode. But at least I'm happy because, even at the cost of 30fps, this PS5 version seems next gen for me, so the waiting has been worth it.

 

[HellgateLondon1908]

Anyone else with an LG TV and VRR checked their framerate counter in busy areas? Looks like drops into the forties from what it's saying, wonder how people are finding it without VRR in performance mode.

I don't have VRR enabled because i am playing on PS5 but when i got to the famous alley from the DF videos on the first mission which is a very busy area with a lot of NPC's my FPS dropped really hard maybe to the forties as you said!

 

[Agent_Nobody]

Pam param pam pam...Param.

They really should have had a Pam Param club remix for Cyberpunk.

 

[Romulus]

The difference is totally noticeable when playing. Regular lightning is like any other PS4, or even PS5 game out there. RT lighting is simply almost correct lighting. Objects and characters have now weight and belong to the scenario, it looks closer to a CG than normal gameplay. AO is amazing.

But it's true that it's difficult to show it in static photos. I tried myself to take screenshots in both modes and it's weird because in static photos, side by side, they look almost identical. But when playing it's perfectly noticeable, believe me. Regular version is like PS4, and RT version was simply not achievable last gen. But, again, at the cost of 30fps, and I know a lot of people will prefer the clarity and fastest response of 60fps than the CG feeling of the RT mode. But at least I'm happy because, even at the cost of 30fps, this PS5 version seems next gen for me, so the waiting has been worth it.

Then side by side video comparison?

 

[Justin9mm]

Tested out the PS5 and Series X versions.

Visually, they’re both almost identical. Only noticeable difference is that the PS5 version is slightly darker. Otherwise, no glaring differences.

But, something I did notice is that it feels like there’s a little more input lag in the PS5 version for some reason. Nothing insane, but noticeable.

Don’t kill me for this, because it could just be differences in the analog sticks of each console. But, I definitely noticed that Series X moves a little snappier.

In terms of 3D headphone audio, I tested PS5’s Tempest vs. Dolby Atmos on Series X. Clear winner, and that’s Atmos. Out of everything I tried to compare, this was the only area where the differences weren’t even close.

Hope this is a little helpful. If not, it’s cool. I don’t know you.

I have a Series X and PS5, the PS5 controller is more important to me then the Audio, The Series X controller is the loudest clicky clacky button clicking cheap shit controller I've ever had. The D-Pad is god awful and late at night I can hear it through my headphones with the other face buttons. Not to mention the almost non existent feedback, I hardly feel anything. I'm going with PS5 literally just because of this lol.

 

[Riky]

I don't have VRR enabled because i am playing on PS5 but when i got to the famous alley from the DF videos on the first mission which is a very busy area with a lot of NPC's my FPS dropped really hard maybe to the forties as you said!

Looks like their claim of rare and small framerate drops might be bullshit, I'm sure DF or VGtech will confirm.

 

[NickFire]

Do you need to keep the original PS4 version on the same storage as the PS5 upgrade? I installed an SSD a few months ago and was curious if they need to be in the same storage section of the PS5.

Or does it not matter.

Every cross gen game I have played allows you to install PS4, PS5, or both. Completely up to you. Only time both makes sense though, IMO, is for sports games if you want to play against someone on a PS4.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Same shit.

 

[Banjo64]

There’s enough world class games in my backlog. I won’t touch this even if CDPR paid me. What a disaster.

 

[Vick]

The difference is totally noticeable when playing. Regular lightning is like any other PS4, or even PS5 game out there. RT lighting is simply almost correct lighting. Objects and characters have now weight and belong to the scenario, it looks closer to a CG than normal gameplay. AO is amazing.

But it's true that it's difficult to show it in static photos. I tried myself to take screenshots in both modes and it's weird because in static photos, side by side, they look almost identical. But when playing it's perfectly noticeable, believe me. Regular version is like PS4, and RT version was simply not achievable last gen. But, again, at the cost of 30fps, and I know a lot of people will prefer the clarity and fastest response of 60fps than the CG feeling of the RT mode. But at least I'm happy because, even at the cost of 30fps, this PS5 version seems next gen for me, so the waiting has been worth it.

Man, stay away from the PC version maxed out then or you'll might pass out.

Only Shadows are active on current gen Consoles.

 

[Stuart360]

Bottom pic is RT shadows.

lol really?, i thought the top pic looked better.

 

[Riky]

lol really?, i thought the top pic looked better.

Yep and you lose 30fps

 

[Elios83]

The difference is totally noticeable when playing. Regular lightning is like any other PS4, or even PS5 game out there. RT lighting is simply almost correct lighting. Objects and characters have now weight and belong to the scenario, it looks closer to a CG than normal gameplay. AO is amazing.

But it's true that it's difficult to show it in static photos. I tried myself to take screenshots in both modes and it's weird because in static photos, side by side, they look almost identical. But when playing it's perfectly noticeable, believe me. Regular version is like PS4, and RT version was simply not achievable last gen. But, again, at the cost of 30fps, and I know a lot of people will prefer the clarity and fastest response of 60fps than the CG feeling of the RT mode. But at least I'm happy because, even at the cost of 30fps, this PS5 version seems next gen for me, so the waiting has been worth it.

I think you're mistaking some sort of post processing probably involving a more aggressive motion blur and some higher volumetric fog settings with ray tracing.
The only ray traced stuff is shadows and the effect is so subtle that it's impossible to notice unless you're doing specific side by side comparisons.
I don't like how 30fps mode looks because it's visibly blurred even disabling motion blur and other effects in the menu. But motion blur seems to be impossible to totally turn off and I don't know if this is intended or bug.

Overall I was expecting much more, the only thing that statisfied me was the improved crowd density.
I look forward to see in technical comparisons made by experts if I'm missing something but my eyes were not particularly impressed.

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

CDPR: "Cyberpunk 2077 will be the next generation of open world games"

There is one genius here (can’t remember their name) that will claim that this statement is perfectly reasonable and correct because Cyberpunk IS an open world game AND on next gen systems

 

[Zug]

My PC has about the same raw power of a XSX/PS5 (3700x/32GB/2700s), Cyberpunk at RT Ultra settings only runs well enough at 60 fps in 1080p with DLSS. 1440p/DLSS with a good enough compromise on settings.
Nvidia cards use hardware acceleration for RT and DLSS (tensor cores), consoles/AMD GPUs don't use this tech. No wonder why RT is disapointing in this context. RT is and will most likely remain a waste of ressources on current consoles in most cases, just like it's a waste on PC without a (recent) card with a green logo.

 

[Inviusx]

Does the PS5 version carry your PS4 save over?

 

[TonyK]

Man, stay away from the PC version maxed out then or you'll might pass out.

Only Shadows are active on current gen Consoles.

Yes I know, I have a friend with a 3080 playing it with all RT modes active and he says it's the most impressive thing he has played.

I need to say that he just tried to disable all RT except shadows and he said it's the most noticeable RT mode. He says that disabling all other RT modes but maintaining RT shadows retains the next gen look. But, of course, he is testing that at 60fps. I don't know if he would play with RT if he would need to choose between 30 or 60fps.

At the end it's just a personal choice if the improved lighting compensates for the loss of 30fps. I perfectly understand that for most people it will not worth the drawback.

 

[NeonGhost]

Anyone have side by side pics of before and after the patch on series x

 

[Hugare]

This old tweet shows my issue with the washed out look or raised gamma on consoles, not sure if it's because of the broken HDR or whatever but why does it look so wrong compared to PC (just talking about black levels):

Thats because the PC version is using RT Lighting

Its darker because its using the sun as a light source, there are no probes lighting the scene incorrectly

Even now on consoles, its lit like the image on the right due to the lack of RT Lighting.

They really, really should have put in RT Lighting on consoles, since it completely changes the game.

Run it at 1080p, I wouldnt give a damn

 

[DragoonKain]

The file size for the PS5 version is smaller than the PS4 one.

Is it the same way on XSX? Wonder how that could be possible.

 

[Skitso]

Quick fix for the people with the disc version who.cant upgrade to.ps5 version. From Reddit. Hope it. Helps.

I can confirm this works. Thanks for the info!

 

[NickFire]

The file size for the PS5 version is smaller than the PS4 one.

Is it the same way on XSX? Wonder how that could be possible.

I can't speak to XSX, but the smaller size on PS5 compared to PS4 was expected. I say that based on the understanding that game files going on a hard drive get duplicated a lot for retrieval purposes (whereas SSD's do not need this). Add in compression tools, and its not at all uncommon for this situation to occur.

 

[Saiyan-Rox]

Does the PS5 version carry your PS4 save over?

Yep

 

[Agent_Nobody]

Man, stay away from the PC version maxed out then or you'll might pass out.

Only Shadows are active on current gen Consoles.

The game was always a marvel on a high end PC. The thing is this is the first time you can get it on a current gen console and not have it look like a PS3/360 game at times.

 

[elliot5]

Analista posted a video of PlayStation comparisons and it's definitely """"""4K""""""". In motion especially when driving the DRS HEAVILY downscales it seems. Maybe it's youtube compression, but it doesn't look sharp in the outside, but at least it maintains framerate well enough.

 

[Halo is Back]

Thanks for letting us know, very crucial to the conversation. Hopefully everyone who has zero interest in the topic at hand will stop by to let us know so we can get this thread to as many pages as possible.

Sorry, my opinion triggers you.

 

[Justin9mm]

Has anyone seen this list, not sure if posted already but seems like a lot has been done.

https://www.cyberpunk.net/en/news/41435/patch-1-5-next-generation-update-list-of-changes