Team Andromeda
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Laughable from SONY. Funny how SONY never had issues with a Police Officer having his head cut in half by a shovel in RE7
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Martha is dead to be censored/edited on PlayStation platforms, PC and Xbox unaffected.
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Fools idol
Banned
unfortunate for the developers. The game seems quite good too
Rien
Jelly Belly
Yeah that’s pretty fucking lame from Sony. You can think it’s disgusting and tasteless, maybe it is but it’s a horror game for Christ sake.
I am a adult and I would like to decide for myself wether something is right or wrong for me to see.
Still not having a new console but shit like this doesn’t makes me want a PS5 that much anymore.
I am a adult and I would like to decide for myself wether something is right or wrong for me to see.
Still not having a new console but shit like this doesn’t makes me want a PS5 that much anymore.
Kiddo Cabbusses
Member
Bartski
Gold Member
Little bitch move from Sony, I'm with Jaffe on this. Pathetic.
Also, I don't think it's about the scene from the demo, or has that been confirmed? And no it's not a "child"s face" ffs. Most intense stuff is usually spoiled in the ESRB summary btw, unfortunately for my future playthrough I went to check it out and I really don't see a problem with any of this.
I played it and it's the most interesting walking sim horror type game due out this year, might actually end up the second game I bought for the XsX after Cyberpunk if it doesn't come to gamepass earlier.
Also, I don't think it's about the scene from the demo, or has that been confirmed? And no it's not a "child"s face" ffs. Most intense stuff is usually spoiled in the ESRB summary btw, unfortunately for my future playthrough I went to check it out and I really don't see a problem with any of this.
I played it and it's the most interesting walking sim horror type game due out this year, might actually end up the second game I bought for the XsX after Cyberpunk if it doesn't come to gamepass earlier.
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Rhazer Fusion
Member
Visage actually was censored on the PS5 if I remember correctly. Don’t want to spoil anything, but it was a certain death scene near the end of one of the chapters that was removed I think. I never played it on PS5 to confirm it, but I saw a video of the edited part.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I remember all the people making fun of gamers who hated Sony censoring Japanese games. It’s doesn’t feel too good, does it? What perplexes me is Sony’s inconsistency with their censorship. They don’t censor MK11 and even the TLOU2, but they censor this game? How did MK11 make it pass the censors and this game is censored?
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Faithless83
Banned
It's offensive to people without boobs.
It's 2022 guys, not 1980!
It's 2022 guys, not 1980!
Fake
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
Now put the game on gamepass for the coup de grace.
SSfox
Member
What a fucking irony isn't it.
They should change it with: 4thechildren. Would be more fitting and make more sens.
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kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
I'm not defending PlayStation... They don't need defending. I'm not a warrior lol. I don't give a flying fuck if a game console manufacturer demands something be changed. You did't even take a second to put any thought into what you wrote. If anyone here gives a shit about content they should ONLY be on PC, no one blocks you from self publishing your content so you can have whatever dumbass serial killer porn you want. Every console has a standards review submission process, this is how it's always been.
At least go into comment history or something if you are going to accuse somebody ffs.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Coup de grace to whom? That'd just end up hurting the devs even more because lets be real; the market isn't exactly huge for games like this and as replayability is more or less zero...
Bottom line, although I don't agree with Sony's position, if you don't see a scene in a game where you apparently cut a fetus out of a dead woman's belly as potentially a magnet for controversy and criticism within the hyper-woke mainstream media right now...
Its a risk/reward calculation in the end, do they believe the possibility of bad press trumps the benefits of sales on their platform? Seems that way to me, and I hate to admit it, but if I was in their shoes I'd think carefully about it too. And its not just a matter of the product by itself, its what happens should they release a bigger, first-party title, and any controversial content in that gets conflated with material in smaller games like this.
hemo memo
Gold Member
So this too much but TLoU2 gets a pass? Really Sony? Because they aren’t an owned studio it is not okay? Fuck right off. Hypocrisy at its finest from Sony.
This.
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hemo memo
Gold Member
Don’t play TLoU2 then. This is nothing in comparison.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
No, that's just business. You can't fight and win every battle. So by conceding on small stuff, they get to keep their powder dry to push back the hardest when the stakes are at their most high.
You don't have to like it, but its a smart and logical strategy.
Jim Ryan other Clone
Banned
10 pages for a game that 90% of the people that complain for the censorship will never buy it and did not know that it existed prior to this thread. I think you all will survive if a 1 min scene is not there in a game that will take couple hours to finish and this outrageous behaviour you blame all day that happens at resetera and Twitter it seams you embrace it and are part of it.
Concern
Member
In other words, censorship is ok as long as its not something I like. That warrior mentality is special.
Topher
Gold Member
I played TLOU 2. There is nothing like this in TLOU 2.
Jim Ryan other Clone
Banned
Yes the warrior mentality is big in this thread, the big bad sony has censored the integrity of the Dev that wanted just show his art style and his dream project. Go away with your warrior bullshit, they found something they did not like and took it out of the game. The best solution would be a trigger like some people have suggested but just a cut scene is also good enough. They didn't alter completly the Dev work, even though it's something sickening (at least for me).
Concern
Member
Oh you mean they found something they didn't think of first in tlou2? Maybe if games like tlou2 and mk didn't exist, you could argue a better defense for Sony but they do. Your defense is moot.
This coming from one of the biggest warriors on GAF...
If you read a little bit the thread you would have seen people bashing and "defending" Sony from BOTH Sony and non-Sony fans.
Jim Ryan other Clone
Banned
I don't defend anything... What are you talking about. For me it's a non issue and I don't remember skinning anyone at Tlou2. And I found disrupting and unnecessary when I killed the pregnant woman for no apparent reason.
Topher
Gold Member
What does TLOU 2 have to do with this? You've got a weird sex scene but overall it isn't that abnormal form typical stuff seen in an action movie. This though.....
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
Its literally one of the most graphically violent and graphically sexual games ever released.
Concern
Member
Notice I specifically mentioned mk as well but only response is to tlou2. Both are graphic games with no censorship.
Again like I said, "its not a problem as long as its not something I like". That warrior mentality
Concern
Member
Im only a "warrior" when its criticizing Sony but perfectly normal when criticizing Microsoft lol. Then again, your post history is embarrassing.
You mean the post history where I said "fuck you Sony" in this very topic because I hate censorship?
Embarrassing is what you see when you look in a mirror...
Topher
Gold Member
And has no instance of a face slowly being cut off a corpse. This isn't about violence or sex. Again, I'm not defending the censorship, but better comparisons are in order.
Notice I specifically mentioned mk as well but only response is to tlou2. Both are graphic games with no censorship.
Again like I said, "its not a problem as long as its not something I like". That warrior mentality
You shouldn't be preaching to anyone about the "warrior mentality". I don't play "mk" so I didn't reference it. I did play TLOU 2 and so I did. Either way, you totally dodged the question, warrior.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
Everyone is immediately making the connection to TLOU2, including a mod here and David Jaffe because its obviously hypocritical. You're just wrong on this one. Like very uncontroversially, obviously wrong.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Those franchises generate huge amounts of money, so its in their interests to go out on a limb for them.
Also, context and tone are very important. Going full Ed Gein and wearing a family member's face as a mask is pathologically psycho-sexual, as is the act of removing a fetus from a dead person's womb! Especially if these sequences are interactive then you are getting into some far more contentious territory than anything in MK or TLOU2.
Also, the thing people seem to be forgetting is that ESRB ratings don't mean shit in most of the world, and titles still need to be put in front of national regulatory and censorship boards before release. For all we know Sony might have asked one or more such boards for guidance as to how they'd react/rate such content, because if they have a problem then the content is getting cut/proscribed anyway.
Reaching out to head off such issues is not at all uncommon, its basic due-diligence for a publisher.
Topher
Gold Member
I'm wrong because a mod and David Jaffe say so? You need a better argument than that.
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darrylgorn
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Is this game any good?
Because based on the trailer, it doesn't look very good.
Because based on the trailer, it doesn't look very good.
Concern
Member
Ironically from another warrior. Making a comparison to an action movie doesn't make it any less graphic. So the same argument can't be made for games being as gory as a horror movie? Lol
You guys can't provide no substantial arguments. But again this is from the group who was trying say pedophilia was ok because its legal in other countries when the Sony exec got caught in a pedo sting. So Im basically wasting my time.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Its hypocritical. What is the criteria even? Mortal Kombat literally has you rip off faces. TLOU2 goes for max suffering and gore. They referenced car crash photos and war photos to have the most realistic gore to the point it was psychologically impacting the team.
The hypocrisy is self evident and barely even needs an explanation. Its like banning the color blue when you have blue in your first party games and Mortal Kombat. I can't simplify the argument any further.
Same hypocrisy exists on sex censorship in multiple games when compared to the far more graphic TLOU2.
They cut off faces and wear it on The Walking Dead on basic cable TV.
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Concern
Member
You're making a different argument on this which definitely make sense. But still doesn't make it any less wrong imo.
If a person has an issue with the content, don't play it. Sony picking and choosing whether its ok for players to rip a faceoff, stab a pregnant girl, or cut a face off and wear it, should not be on them.
Funny that this just started with jrpgs, then dmc , and now we're here. Keep okaying this shit and theres not telling where we'll go.
Maybe even be sold "uncensored editions" of these games soon enough.
Concern
Member
Oh wow you actually agree against censorship. Still doesn't account for the other 954 shitposts.
Now run along if you're not going to add to the discussion.
Topher
Gold Member
lol.....you've got the bans to prove your warrior status. I don't. Horror movies would be a better comparison to this than TLOU 2. That much is obvious.
This is your problem. You think in "groups". You are so tribal it is hilarious. And no, I never made any silly "pedophilia was ok" comments ever. That's your tribalism speaking, warrior.
Which would make The Walking Dead a better comparison. This is a specific act in this game that does not occur in TLOU 2. Again, Sony should not be censoring at all. Leave it to the ESRB to do their job. But no, stop pretending this is the type of thing that happens in TLOU 2. It is not. Factually.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
I just did. Psychologically, legalistically, and economically its a whole other ball-game.
I'm sorry, the acts described in the ESRB description are of necrophilia. A paraphilia on par in terms of its taboo status globally with paedophilia.
Its pushing into sensitive and transgressive territory to depict such acts, let alone make them interactive.
I've been a free-speech and anti-censorship advovcate since the 1980's, so I'm pretty well-versed in where the red-lines get drawn in terms of "acceptability" to our moral betters and my view is that its a powder-keg.
No moral judgement here on my part, and frankly I'd prefer it not to get edited -even if only on certain platforms- BUT, in a global context of what is considered politic and acceptable I'm not surprised at the reaction at all.
Concern
Member
lol.....you've got the bans to prove your warrior status. I don't. Horror movies would be a better comparison to this than TLOU 2. That much is obvious.
This is your problem. You think in "groups". You are so tribal it is hilarious. And no, I never made any silly "pedophilia was ok" comments ever. That's your tribalism speaking, warrior.
Which would make The Walking Dead a better comparison. This is a specific act in this game. Again, Sony should not be censoring at all. Leave it to the ESRB to do their job. But no, stop pretending this is the type of thing that happens in TLOU 2. It is not. Factually.
You've said nothing here. Yet another one trying to derail and bring up a bullshit ban (for saying Sony has no big exclusives this holiday) for a legit criticism.
You guys can't attack the argument so it makes sense to attack the users. I'll make this simple for those who have this obsession with me.
Rather than derail, dm me and arrange to met up just to how much of this energy translates in person.
sainraja
Member
Some people on this forum see things wearing their console war lenses. Trying to push the alternative point with them is basically a pointless venture because they will keep accusing you of "console warring" "defending" BS — that's already been used on you lol. It's an easy way for them to basically dismiss what you might have to say. Just ignore 'em. Save yourself the trouble.
Anyway, I do think it is silly that they are censoring this game. Some of us might not have even heard of the game if this wasn't so.....I didn't know this existed until now.
sainraja
Member
That's hilarious coming from you. lol
Still only 10% of the shit which comes from your fingers, darling.
Now to not derail the discussion any further:
Sony is clearly at wrong here, censorship is never good.
I don't know if the comparison to TLOU2 and MK can be made, thou, without knowing what exactly was censored and with which motives.
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Topher
Gold Member
I've said this isn't comparable to TLOU 2 and that's the only point I'm making. You are the one who responded to me with this "warrior mentality" nonsense. You are also the one who also brought up this "pedophilia was ok" bullshit so you can save your speech about derailing. Seems you are pulling arguments out of your ass, frankly.
What? You want to get into an in-person altercation about this? Are you serious?
