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[adamsapple]

The endgame is growing Xbox marketshare. Phil should stop lying.

Ok ... nothing in the Totilo interview excerpts say otherwise but I guess we gotta hate on Phil for reasons ?

Your dig at the other guy is absolute nonsense. Phil himself provided your metrics. He wants it to be the most played game produced by a single guy. It’s not rocket science how to test that.

Also, piss poor form to accuse someone of port begging because you disagree with facts.

Excuse me ? This post is more confusing than any Phil quote in the OP.

Phil wants it to be the most played Todd Howard game.

Do you expect him to say "Nah fams, we don't want this game to be a success" ?

 

[DaGwaphics]

Your dig at the other guy is absolute nonsense. Phil himself provided your metrics. He wants it to be the most played game produced by a single guy. It’s not rocket science how to test that.

Also, piss poor form to accuse someone of port begging because you disagree with facts.

You realize that GP can facilitate that on Xbox alone, right? Look at the player numbers for Halo and HF5 in just a few months. Over the lifetime of the game (probably 6 or 7 maybe even 10 years) that level of access will certainly give you a lifetime player count number bigger than any other Bethesda release.

 

[NickFire]

You realize that GP can facilitate that on Xbox alone, right? Look at the player numbers for Halo and HF5 in just a few months. Over the lifetime of the game (probably 6 or 7 maybe even 10 years) that level of access will certainly give you a lifetime player count number bigger than any other Bethesda release.

Of course it’s possible. It’s also possible aliens show up and cure cancer this afternoon.

 

[Apollo Helios]

You're the one that said Jimbo was out there practicing what he preaches.

Yeah, and... they will stay independent after it finalizes so at the very least the reach will not be blocked in any platform going forward. Also it seems like Sony Productions would step in and make Destiny accessible in other media as well, so practice as they say.

 

[NickFire]

Also it seems like Sony Productions would step in and make Destiny accessible in other media as well, so practice as they say.

The Uncharted movie producers are looking at Destiny like Spirit Halloween canvases strip malls in July.

 

[Riky]

PC market is huge, but Skyrim was also on PC. Is Xcloud really that big that it can substitute PlayStation and Nintendo players?

Again, I'm not port begging or some PS fanboy. Just a genuine question as to how Microsoft plan to make this Starfield bigger than Skyrim, while also cutting out millions of players.

Quite easily,

Even with an install base of 120 million a really big seller may only get to 20 million players, only GTA or Minecraft seem to be above that.
So you might hit 1 in 6 console owners, however on Gamepass you have 30 million owners already paid up how many will play the game at no extra cost? Your percentage goes way up.
Now since Starfield is next gen only do the maths on 18 million PS5 owners.

 

[IDKFA]

There's no way of gauging this, it's not releasing on last gen platforms. The potential amount of PS5 owners who would have bought it can easily be offset by Xcloud users playing on any other platform.

You're not stating facts as much as port-begging here.

I know you weren't addressing me, but I'm not port begging. I'll play it on the X or if I'm lucky, a new PC.

However, for Xcloud players to be able to substitute for say, potential PS5 players, surly this would mean people who ONLY play it via Xcloud right? Because if I play it on my X, then decide to carry on my game on my tablet via Xcloud, then surly I only count as one player and one customer rather than two? Are there that many people who just access Xbox games via Xcloud? Not sure and it's a serious question.

 

[adamsapple]

I know you weren't addressing me, but I'm not port begging. I'll play it on the X or if I'm lucky, a new PC.

However, for Xcloud players to be able to substitute for say, potential PS5 players, surly this would mean people who ONLY play it via Xcloud right? Because if I play it on my X, then decide to carry on my game on my tablet via Xcloud, then surly I only count as one player and one customer rather than two? Are there that many people who just access Xbox games via Xcloud? Not sure and it's a serious question.

That's a good question, I don't think there's ever been a breakdown of potential numbers like that but it would be interesting to see.

Also worth noting that you can use Xcloud on last gen Xboxes as well, so even though Starfield won't release on it, you can still play it on your base XBO with XCloud.

Hell, if the PS4/5 have a better browser, you could play it there too, but that goes into the bigger "Will GP ever come on a Sony console" debate I guess.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

People would play on all that platforms regardless, but now less people will play. That’s should be super obvious.

It doesn't matter. With Game Pass and sales in Steam more people than ever will play the game.

 

[adamsapple]

It doesn't matter. With Game Pass and sales in Steam more people than ever will play the game.

And it's not getting a last gen release so that 100 million plus PS4 user base is a no-go. And potential PS5 only owners would have been a much smaller margin anyway.

I reckon if it does Forza or Halo numbers, it will be considered a success in MS/Betheda's eyes.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Quite easily,

Even with an install base of 120 million a really big seller may only get to 20 million players, only GTA or Minecraft seem to be above that.
So you might hit 1 in 6 console owners, however on Gamepass you have 30 million owners already paid up how many will play the game at no extra cost? Your percentage goes way up.
Now since Starfield is next gen only do the maths on 18 million PS5 owners.

People are really trying hard to ignore the amount of players that will have access at no additional charge throughout the games lifetime. LOL

Bethesda games typically have great longevity, that only magnifies the GP effect.

 

[Swift_Star]

It doesn't matter. With Game Pass and sales in Steam more people than ever will play the game.

Not really. It could be those users+PS users. So, this is the simple fact: less people will play the game now that it’s exclusive. If it was multiplat, more people would play it.
This directly contradicts the nice guy Phil “games for everyone” facet.
And all of those are facts.

 

[Kacho]

The endgame is growing Xbox marketshare. Phil should stop lying.

As a once ride or die Xbro suffering from a severe case of waning loyalty I agree wholeheartedly. I wish Phil would be more honest and realistic when discussing this stuff because he's not fooling anyone.

xCloud and streaming will not grow their reach in a significant way. He can talk about BILLIONS of potential gamers until he's blue in the face but it just isn't happening. They will reach fewer players without PlayStation and that's obvious to everyone. The only way to minimize that is by enticing more people to play on Xbox/PC with exceptional games. When that happens? Who knows. And what the numbers ultimately look like is anyone’s guess.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Not really. It could be those users+PS users. So, this is the simple fact: less people will play the game now that it’s exclusive. If it was multiplat, more people would play it.
This directly contradicts the nice guy Phil “games from everyone” facet.
And all of those are facts.

That's not a distinction that Spencer makes here. His reference is just that the expectation is to make it the most played Howard game ever, that's a historical reference to previous Howard titles.

 

[Swift_Star]

That's not a distinction that Spencer makes here. His reference is just that the expectation is to make it the most played Howard game ever, that's a historical reference to previous Howard titles.

Well, if they consider play for 10 minutes to an hour played, sure, since those will be the vast majority or players.

 

[PJX]

Actually not impossible considering people can switch to a different console they prefer or own more than one.

Just because you own a PS5, Switch or PC doesn’t mean you can’t own or want an Xbox too.

Unless you are a hardcore fanboy. I mean there are people out there who are still saying Xbox has no games.

Quite easy. People on Xbox will play it, people on PC will play it (and PC market is bigger right now), people will try playing it via XCloud at least. Gaming world doesn't start or end with Playstation.

It seems that it is the case for Sony fans.

Nonsense? I'm not a fanboy of any console and my question was genuine. Try answering it rather than trying to shame me.

Then maybe don't ask a fanboyish question.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Well, if they consider play for 10 minutes to an hour played, sure, since those will be the vast majority or players.

I doubt the average played hours for Skyrim would jive with that.

 

[Swift_Star]

I doubt the average played hours for Skyrim would jive with that.

The average won’t because you’ll have diehards playing for more than 1000+ hours. But you’ll see MS saying 20 million played the game and they’ll be counting lots of people that will play the game of an hour. Just like Netflix does it. Anyway, I think this discussion has run its course at least to me.

 

[adamsapple]

As a once ride or die Xbro suffering from a severe case of waning loyalty I agree wholeheartedly. I wish Phil would be more honest and realistic when discussing this stuff because he's not fooling anyone.

xCloud and streaming will not grow their reach in a significant way. He can talk about BILLIONS of potential gamers until he's blue in the face but it just isn't happening. They will reach fewer players without PlayStation and that's obvious to everyone. The only way to minimize that is by enticing more people to play on Xbox/PC with exceptional games. When that happens? Who knows. And what the numbers ultimately look like is anyone’s guess.

Well, yeah, I think it's an easy guess that releasing this on Xbox, along with the other recent announcements/acquisitions, as a console exclusive is them trying to entice more people to get in their eco system, buy their hardware, subscribe to their service and become a recurring paying member. The end goal is literally get more people playing Xbox one way or another, whether via native Xbox hardware or Xbox streaming apps.

 

[Sosokrates]

That's not an installed base.

So again ... I don't doubt there could be a game pass app on TVs in the future. But that's not the question. That idea also kind of goes against what you're saying.

Back to the question. Do you really believe XCloud is going to bring heretofore undiscovered gamer billions to the fold? All it's gonna take is an app, a (currently) 15 dollar a month subscription and a 60 dollar controller? This is seriously going to get more people into gaming than something like the Switch (think simplicity and fun here)?

I got nothing against you btw, I am not trying to pick on you here and the rest of this post is meant to the forum in general. Clearly your avatar shows you are a person of great taste. I just don't see the logic behind a lot of this stuff and it also seems to contrary at times. I'll explain below.

Again this is only directed to the Xbox-only crowd that seems to think everything MS does is brilliant. Never mind the fact that no matter WHAT you do, all choices entail trade offs. There are opportunity costs to everything, so there is no way any one company is executing in a way that satisfies their base all the time. I can come up with a ton of stuff I would rather Sony or Nintendo be doing than what they are doing. This whole idea of "perfect execution" at MS seems to exist among a small handful of posters here that jump into every one of these topics with mocking tones and thin arguments.

Ok so here goes. What actually matters for MS? Remember when Series X was revealed ... what was the narrative? The most powerful console ever made. How about we go back to the X1X? What was one of the terms they decided to use there? Does "Uncompressed pixels" ring a bell to anyone? (Source) Visual fidelity has been the name of the game, and apparently what gamers want most. Remember the bragging about how the Xbox controller was eliminating latency at the hardware level for super fast, responsive gaming, at a level we have never experienced before? (Source) Ok so we have established that MS pushes their ecosystem based on bad ass visuals, and response gaming. Remember, this is what MS and Xbox gamers are insisting consumers want for "next gen gaming" (notice no emphasis on content).

What is MS getting their die hard clan to state these days? "Streaming is the future."

How in the hell do these two ideas square up with each other? If streaming is the future, why was there a need to engineer such low levels of latency and pack in as much GPU power as possible? Why not just make them all a Series S console since a cheaper price point is more accessible, and if streaming is acceptable clearly you don't need a Series X. Has anyone tried streaming Forza, or Halo Infinite via XCloud? I have. And I have gigabit fiber internet. I've played a bunch of games that way to test it out. It doesn't even come close to looking as sharp as a native console, and even though the gameplay experience when its working well is "not bad", it's certainly not feeling like being directly plugged in. Heck, I can tell when my TV is not on "game mode" and the slight latency drives me nuts. Unfortunately with streaming there are physics involved and it will never ever beat having a console plugged into a TV. And someone is trying to sell me on the idea that this is "the future"? Things are generally meant to improve with time, when it comes to tech. Not offer me worse image quality, and a worse gameplay experience, and then have my game experience hiccups when there is the slightest problem with the network connection. I mean, you can't even stream a movie without it being noticeably worse in both video and audio than a UHD or even a Blu Ray disc sometimes. And people think games are going to be great this way?

So which is it, Xbox-only folks that insist hundreds of millions, or billions, of people are just waiting for some magical moment to jump into gaming via streaming? I thought gamers wanted the best performance on the planet? Or do they just wan't "good enough" now? I mean, we still see constant arguments on this board over PS5 and XSX performance. Once you bring streaming into the picture there, you can throw all of that out the window. The native PS5 game will win against Xbox streaming handily every single time. And why aren't these missing gamers already buying a controller and streaming their games via any one of the devices that already do it? Everyone already has these things you know. Computers, mobile devices, etc. They blanket the planet already. But we live in a world where the Switch just crossed the 100 million mark and the Xbox One consoles never got much past 50 million. Again, where and when does this tidal shift occur?

And all of this time, Sony and Nintendo are not sitting doing nothing ...

As for xcloud installbase, it really will be billions. If TV's have the app then the people who owns these TVs have the capability to use the service. Thats different to number of game pass subs. Subs and sales are always a fraction of installbase. I could definitely see gamepass having 100-200 million subscribers in 10yrs.

What is MS getting their die hard clan to state these days? "Streaming is the future."

How in the hell do these two ideas square up with each other?

For Microsoft, Streaming is the future, but not the only future. They want to expand userbase through console,cloud + PC. Phil has explained this quite a few times.

So which is it, Xbox-only folks that insist hundreds of millions, or billions, of people are just waiting for some magical moment to jump into gaming via streaming?

I dont know how many people will ultimately play using streaming, but in 10yrs I could see over 100 million people use it. Consider this, the year is 2032 and there are over 100million Xbox series consoles sold, Fallout 5 is coming out and its exclusive to the Xbox Series X2, its the first big next gen game, now with fallout 5 and other next gen games instead of buying a new console right away, many millions of XSX/S users will just choose to play next gen games via cloud, especially if they have improved the image quality and latency by then.
Plus combine that with, TV, phone and other computing devices and the number of people streaming should see pretty big numbers.

 

[The_Mike]

Not mad, just stating facts:
Less people will play Starfield because it’s exclusive.
Simply facts.

Well that goes on for every exclusive.

Any exclusive would get a wider audience if it was available everywhere.

 

[kingfey]

For GAAS titles you can bet on it. For tentpole SP exclusives.. you wish beggar LOL

I dont need to port beg. Jim is delivering those games to pc. God of war, and uncharted series. The 2 biggest Playstation exclusives are on pc now. It will take time for day1.

 

[NickFire]

Well that goes on for every exclusive.

Any exclusive would get a wider audience if it was available everywhere.

Thread context my man. Thread context. He isn’t talking generally. He’s talking about a very specific claim made by the games new owner.

 

[kingfey]

People would play on all that platforms regardless, but now less people will play. That’s should be super obvious.

Can't people just buy xss, or PC? Do these devices not exist?

 

[The_Mike]

Thread context my man. Thread context. He isn’t talking generally. He’s talking about a very specific claim made by the games new owner.

I am fully aware.

But xbox, pc and the mobile market is bigger than the PlayStation platform. Even pc is.

 

[SaturnSaturn]

I swear some of you sony guys are so dumb that you guys would struggle to find pussy in a whorehouse. or you are just being obtuse on purpose

If you read between the line in this quote

How can Todd's next game reach more people if you're skipping a key platform? I asked him this.

"Well, that specific question of, 'Hey, there's only one place that I want to play games. And if that game doesn't end up on the one place that I want to play that has its own business requirements for me as a creator…those people can go play those games...

...They're just going to say, I'm choosing not to, because it's not on the one device that has its specific [trails off]. So I get that."

He is telling you to play the game thru your browser on your playstation, phone or on your pc with xcloud, he is giving the option to play it anywhere you are just chosing not to, due to insane brand loyalty.

Gamepass, xcloud and the coming competitors to it are the future of gaming no matter how much you might want it not to be. Wake up people, your retail game discs have not contained the full games in 15 years you are just buying licenses. Its done, digital games, subscription services and streaming is the new future, you haven't owned your games in forever. if you want to "own" your copy forever, go pirate shit on pc thats the only way you will in the current day and age the industry is in.

The remaining question is how much will amazon, google and fb/meta rape the industry when they join the fold, as they will sooner then later.

 

[adamsapple]

I swear some of you sony guys are so dumb that you guys would struggle to find pussy in a whorehouse. or you are just being obtuse on purpose

god fucking dammit man I spilled my coffee all over my work laptop ..

 

[kingfey]

I know you weren't addressing me, but I'm not port begging. I'll play it on the X or if I'm lucky, a new PC.

However, for Xcloud players to be able to substitute for say, potential PS5 players, surly this would mean people who ONLY play it via Xcloud right? Because if I play it on my X, then decide to carry on my game on my tablet via Xcloud, then surly I only count as one player and one customer rather than two? Are there that many people who just access Xbox games via Xcloud? Not sure and it's a serious question.

You have to understand that starfield is a next gen console game.

Current consoles aren't even 30m. They won't have big audience for that game. The only one who can, is the PC community.

Plus most people have both these consoles, aside of hardcore 1 console users. They can still play the game.

Xcloud is just for people who can't find the console. It's not a requirement.

 

[Gavon West]

Don’t forget the boogeyman.
I think he’s upset that people want to spend money on games and choose an ecosystem rather than be forced to choose one with forced exclusivity. His mind went pretzel looking at people willing to spend $70 or $60 on new releases or re-released games and still have his console outsold consistently, and try to come up with more and more solutions that don’t work.

Its funny how many people still think this is about console wars. Lol. You can literally spell it out in crayon on the walls, and people still talk about being outsold in consoles. Funny. Shit is funny..

 

[The_Mike]

Can't people just buy xss, or PC? Do these devices not exist?

 

[Apollo Helios]

I dont need to port beg. Jim is delivering those games to pc. God of war, and uncharted series. The 2 biggest Playstation exclusives are on pc now. It will take time for day1.

Those games and future games are coming, continue begging for day 1 then I should clarify. It won't ever be day 1 for their prestige titles.

 

[adamsapple]

Those games and future games are coming, continue begging for day 1 then I should clarify. It won't ever be day 1 for their prestige titles.

For now. I won't be surprised if we start seeing day and date PC releases for PS5 exclusives before this gen is over.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I reckon if it does Forza or Halo numbers, it will be considered a success in MS/Betheda's eyes.

I suspect it will surpass this number. Because not only Game Pass will be bigger by then, more consoles will be sold and people who used to play BGS games on other platforms (unlike Forza and Horizon) will try it one way or another.

It seems that it is the case for Sony fans.

But of course. There was takes where a person claimed that he cannot play the game if it is released on Xbox

 

[kyussman]

"How do we make sure Starfield is the most played Todd Howard game".....well,making sure 100 million PlayStation fans can't play it is obviously the first move......second move,never give out the sales figures.

 

[FrankWza]

Its funny how many people still think this is about console wars. Lol. You can literally spell it out in crayon on the walls, and people still talk about being outsold in consoles. Funny. Shit is funny..

Cool, then he should stop playing the take away game and create. The entire point of why everything that comes out of his mouth is funny is that it absolutely is about consoles.
People had a choice. They chose PlayStation and Nintendo. Now he’ll take away franchises from both while pretending it’s not about console wars. All the while, he’s propped up by pc user base and Microsoft money. But, the phillatio continues….

 

[SlimySnake]

"How do we make sure Starfield is the most played Todd Howard game".....well,making sure 100 million PlayStation fans can't play it is obviously the first move......second move,never give out the sales figures.

Sales dont matter anymore. It's 2022 man. Get with the times.

 

[SlimySnake]

Cool, then he should stop playing the take away game and create. The entire point of why everything that comes out of his mouth is funny is that it absolutely is about consoles.
People had a choice. They chose PlayStation and Nintendo. Now he’ll take away franchises from both while pretending it’s not about console wars. All the while, he’s propped up by pc user base and Microsoft money. But, the phillatio continues….

It's not about console wars.
Proceeds to take games off of rival Playstation and Nintendo consoles.
Still not about console wars. I promise.

 

[reksveks]

For now. I won't be surprised if we start seeing day and date PC releases for PS5 exclusives before this gen is over.

PS5 exclusives is a guarantee. Deviation and Haven will be on PC day one.

PS5 PS first party O&O studio games is the more questionable one but I agree with you.

 

[adamsapple]

Cool, then he should stop playing the take away game and create. The entire point of why everything that comes out of his mouth is funny is that it absolutely is about consoles.
People had a choice. They chose PlayStation and Nintendo. Now he’ll take away franchises from both while pretending it’s not about console wars. All the while, he’s propped up by pc user base and Microsoft money. But, the phillatio continues….

It's not about console wars.
Proceeds to take games off of rival Playstation and Nintendo consoles.
Still not about console wars. I promise.

I guess it's only an issue if / when MS does it. But then folks also have 'concerns' about their install base. They need exclusives to increase the install base. They're literally damned if they do damned if they don't in some users eyes here.

Come on folks, at least stick to one argument.

"How do we make sure Starfield is the most played Todd Howard game".....well,making sure 100 million PlayStation fans can't play it is obviously the first move......second move,never give out the sales figures.

Unless Sony somehow sells 80+ million PS5's between now and November, the 100 million PlayStation fan base wasn't gonna happen anyway.

No last gen release for this.

 

[lastmessiah]

It's like Sony fanboys were perpetually born yesterday.

"RRRAaaRrr why is this businessman and executive not saying what he really means!!! I expect complete transparency from corporate representatives!! What is this woRld???!"

 

[SlimySnake]

I guess it's only an issue if / when MS does it. But then folks also have 'concerns' about their install base. They need exclusives to increase the install base.

Come on folks, at least stick to one argument.

What are you talking about? The entire argument is that Phil doesnt want to admit this isnt about console wars. That is the argument. No one gave a fuck when they bought Ninja Theory, Obsidian and Playground Games and made them exclusive. Just like how when Sony does it. It is expected. Do you even know what we are talking about? Have you paid even a little bit attention to the main argument in this thread.

I find these posts lazy and cheap. You first choose not to follow the discussion then you come in here on your high horse telling everyone but sony makes their games exclusive too. That is NOT what we are discussing here. The question is just why cant he just come out and say he bought those games and made them exclusive to increase the install base. Dont go around saying dumb shit like we love ALL gamers, we want to suck their dicks, and have them all play starfield while you are taking access away from them. Just say, hey if you want to play Starfield, i have got a console for you. You said it yourself. This is about selling more consoles than your competition. He just doesnt want to say it and his fanboys are trying to convince everyone that this is not about console wars.

 

[Shmunter]

It's like Sony fanboys were perpetually born yesterday.

"RRRAaaRrr why is this businessman and executive not saying what he really means!!! I expect complete transparency from corporate representatives!! What is this woRld???!"

Is it possible Phil is talking in Xboxnese? Where only those born and bread on Xbox understand the lingo?!?

 

[adamsapple]

What are you talking about? The entire argument is that Phil doesnt want to admit this isnt about console wars. That is the argument. No one gave a fuck when they bought Ninja Theory, Obsidian and Playground Games and made them exclusive. Just like how when Sony does it. It is expected. Do you even know what we are talking about? Have you paid even a little bit attention to the main argument in this thread.

I find these posts lazy and cheap. You first choose not to follow the discussion then you come in here on your high horse telling everyone but sony makes their games exclusive too. That is NOT what we are discussing here. The question is just why cant he just come out and say he bought those games and made them exclusive to increase the install base. Dont go around saying dumb shit like we love ALL gamers, we want to suck their dicks, and have them all play starfield while you are taking access away from them. Just say, hey if you want to play Starfield, i have got a console for you. You said it yourself. This is about selling more consoles than your competition. He just doesnt want to say it and his fanboys are trying to convince everyone that this is not about console wars.

I dunno man, for someone saying others aren't paying attention you sure did a great job quoting a post about 100 million userbases which is irrelevant to Starfield, a game not releasing on the last gen consoles.

You should probably calm down, take a deep breath and read the below quoted post. His statement is pretty clear, the only thing he hasn't done is made an all caps tweet, which I guess is the only form of communication some folks seem to want/understand :

I swear some of you sony guys are so dumb that you guys would struggle to find pussy in a whorehouse. or you are just being obtuse on purpose

If you read between the line in this quote



He is telling you to play the game thru your browser on your playstation, phone or on your pc with xcloud, he is giving the option to play it anywhere you are just chosing not to, due to insane brand loyalty.

Gamepass, xcloud and the coming competitors to it are the future of gaming no matter how much you might want it not to be. Wake up people, your retail game discs have not contained the full games in 15 years you are just buying licenses. Its done, digital games, subscription services and streaming is the new future, you haven't owned your games in forever. if you want to "own" your copy forever, go pirate shit on pc thats the only way you will in the current day and age the industry is in.

The remaining question is how much will amazon, google and fb/meta rape the industry when they join the fold, as they will sooner then later.

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Moving on.

It's like Sony fanboys were perpetually born yesterday.

"RRRAaaRrr why is this businessman and executive not saying what he really means!!! I expect complete transparency from corporate representatives!! What is this woRld???!"

This thread is a prime example that the Bethesda acquisition is still stinging for some folks. I reckon when the Acti/Bliz deal closes and when they start talking specifics about what is exclusive and what isn't exclusive, we'll see another influx of posts like these, people really concerned with scrutinizing every word Phil says and wondering just how oh how they'll be able to make money.

 

[lastmessiah]

This thread is a prime example that the Bethesda acquisition is still stinging for some folks. I reckon when the Acti/Bliz deal closes and when they start talking specifics about what is exclusive and what isn't exclusive, we'll see another influx of posts like these, people really concerned with scrutinizing every word Phil says and wondering just how oh how they'll be able to make money.

Cool, I could use the laughs.

 

[NickFire]

This thread is a prime example that the Bethesda acquisition is still stinging for some folks. I reckon when the Acti/Bliz deal closes and when they start talking specifics about what is exclusive and what isn't exclusive, we'll see another influx of posts like these.

And there it is.

Pure console war nonsense.

You have no interest in discussing the thread topic. Just pure fake high ground all designed to circle back to HAH HAH NO STARFIELD FOR YOU.

But please, keep pretending taking away the largest console base will make it the most played Todd Howard game ever. It's not like even the author of the article in question realized how dumb that sounds too.

 

[FrankWza]

Come on folks, at least stick to one argument.

We are. You’re not.

Unless Sony somehow sells 80+ million PS5's between now and November, the 100 million PlayStation fan base wasn't gonna happen anyway.

No last gen release for this.

So if you don’t buy the game by a certain date it’s never able to be purchased again?Even though skyrim was released for 3 different generations. Got it. What a joke.
100 million PS5s sold is inevitable. Do you expect Starfield to sell every copy it ever will on release day?

I dunno man, for someone saying others aren't paying attention you sure did a great job quoting a post about 100 million userbases which is irrelevant to Starfield, a game not releasing on the last gen consoles.

Once again. It’s like you think console sales are going to stop. You’re coming from a point of view of a company trying to break 100 million console sales for the first time after 4 generations. That failure is what brought Phil here. We’re referring to 2 companies that have done it many times each. That success necessitated phil hitching to pc user base, $1 gamepass loophole for 3 years and counting, and now, needing to remove games from PlayStation and Nintendo.

 

[Riky]

How is he talking away the largest console base when the game is next gen only?

Remember with Xbox One Xcloud support the install base for next gen first party games is actually bigger on Xbox.

 

[adamsapple]

We are. You’re not.

Not really, it's "but how will he make those numbers without PS ? " and a side of "but why exclusive when the console doesn't have a large user base ?"

Those are directly contradicting arguments, you need exclusives to increase the user base.

So if you don’t buy the game by a certain date it’s never able to be purchased again?Even though skyrim was released for 3 different generations. Got it. What a joke.
100 million PS5s sold is inevitable. Do you expect Starfield to sell every copy it ever will on release day?

Um .. ok ? the post I was talking about being quoted was referencing a 100 million plus existing install base, i-e the PS4, i-e a generation the game in question isn't even coming out on ... it's a completely pointless tangent.

Once again. It’s like you think console sales are going to stop. You’re coming from a point of view of a company trying to break 100 million console sales for the first time after 4 generations. That failure is what brought Phil here. We’re referring to 2 companies that have done it many times each. That success necessitated phil hitching to pc user base, $1 gamepass loophole for 3 years and counting, and now, needing to remove games from PlayStation and Nintendo.

See above reply. And if we're going to talk about prospective future sales of hardware/games over the next 5, 6 year, that also applies to all prospective sales on Xbox, Steam, Windows Store and more XCloud only users who don't have any of the previously mentioned platforms.

The door swings both ways, you can't talk about 'potential future PS sales' and exclude 'potential future Xbox sales' from the argument.

How is he talking away the largest console base when the game is next gen only?

Remember with Xbox One Xcloud support the install base for next gen first party games is actually bigger on Xbox.

It really is an asinine talking point, the mammoth PS4 install base is completely irrelevant and won't do anything for bolstering Starfield sales and what Phil is talking about even if this game was coming to multiple consoles.

We've got a potential 14~15 million Series install base and 18~19 million PS5 install base. Adding Steam, Xcloud etc it's very easy to see how the game can off set any playerbase lost from the PS5.

Again, it's not rocket science. It's basic number crunching which I'm sure people who get paid to do, did, when they made this decision to keep it console exclusive.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

How is he talking away the largest console base when the game is next gen only?

Because PS5 is the largest next gen console base…?

This isn’t rocket science

 

[NickFire]

How is he talking away the largest console base when the game is next gen only?

Remember with Xbox One Xcloud support the install base for next gen first party games is actually bigger on Xbox.

Would the phrase "largest console eco-system" get you to stop splitting hairs with a knife that ignores history and pretends the future console sales won't exist?