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[Captain Toad]

read that yesterday , he means PC when he says multiplatform

I wouldn't be surprised if Switch starts being treated as PC now. Switch, like PC, is different enough from PlayStation and Xbox that Sony and Microsoft may feel comfortable releasing some of their games on that platform.

We've already seen a bit of this. Minecraft is hugely successful on Switch. Microsoft chose to release both Ori games on Switch. The Show '22 is also going to Switch, although I don't believe that was Sony's decision.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[Warnen]

Destiny is Sony's Minecraft but for people of taste like me.

 

[ManaByte]

Yeah, this seems to be the last console generation for both Playstation and Xbox.

Well we know they're already doing R&D on the next Xbox. So there's another after the Series X|S.

Microsoft says it's already working on new Xbox consoles, "some of which won't come to light for years"

Microsoft made a raft of announcements today around the cloud - but it has also insisted it remains committed to making…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Represent.]

Whole industry is heading that way. And yall still think COD will be xbox exclusive? Its about money. You'll make more of it being on multiple platforms. Point blank.

This sucks for console wars, that shit was fun.

 

[PhaseJump]

Good shit, Jimbo.

I think that PC Gamers on Steam could probably buy the absolute fuck out of ports of a few Sony titles, to the point of surpassing expectations or console sales numbers. The Last Guardian, and Everybody's Golf come to mind. I don't know though. I'd drop money on a lot of the old stuff again, like the Wild ARMs sequels. Ico. SOTC.

 

[Aenima]

Whole industry is heading that way. And yall still think COD will be xbox exclusive? Its about money. You'll make more of it being on multiple platforms. Point blank.

This sucks for console wars, that shit was fun.

Hope so. It either go that way (multiplayfom) or the way TV streaming services are that are terrible for consumers.

 

[FStubbs]

This is what I was mentioning earlier. Sony is different now and they are trying to go multi platform as quickly as possible.
the time of the exclusive console is over.

<Sony> We now rely on Square Enix to provide Playstation exclusives.

 

[mansoor1980]

you heard it here folks sony will soon quit the console hardware business , software only in the near future

 

[Hitchyhero]

Trying to pressure MS to not make CoD and friends exclusive. I think keeping games exclusive worked for Sony and they should continue doing it. It is what separates them from the rest. Nintendo knows it and MS is figuring that out.

So when is God of war and Last of us coming to Xbox?

 

[EverydayBeast]

MLB The Show is coming to Switch as well. First Switch game I'm going to be buying in forever. Always wanted to play that game on a handheld.

Maybe the Playstation Sparticus service will be on Switch and mobile and Gamepass as well.

Nintendo use to be familiar with MLB games…

 

[RoadHazard]

In all honesty, they're just going back to their roots. Sort of. They aren't going back to Sony ImageSoft era anytime soon, but they had a decent number of ports to PC for even the PS1, and PS1 console-exclusives that...also had PC versions.

Sounds very familiar, doesn't it?



They're still gonna make a PS6, y'all xD.

This just means a lot more PC support from them. Question is does it mean Day 1 PC support? I honestly don't think it will except for big service-orientated, GaaS MP-centric games, like TLOU2 Factions and probably whatever the next GT Sport is.

Other 1P games? Don't expect them Day 1 until Sony finds a way to put a storefront and launcher on PC they 100% control, and (probably) can monetize outside of raw game purchases (tiered subscription tiers with perks, ad-supported "Free" tier, etc.). If and when they can do that is when there'll be the incentive for Day 1 PS/PC releases for all 1P games.

They are probably still a few years off from that though.

They are, little by little, removing the incentive to buy a PlayStation. Why would they be doing that if they still thought the console was important for them? Selling consoles isn't how they make money, it's from what people then spend on those consoles. If they wanted to keep it that way, why would they be working so hard at making it irrelevant? Seems to me like the plan is something completely different, something closer to them actually going "3rd party". And it might be caused by them realizing they simply cannot outspend MS on stuff like Game Pass and acquisitions. So they buy Bungie to get some GaaS expertise in-house, and that's the future we're heading towards. A future where Sony is just another Ubisoft. *shudders*

 

[Aenima]

you heard it here folks sony will soon quit the console hardware business , software only in the near future

Microsoft is way ahead of Sony in that direction and they are still planing in making more consoles. You can go multiplatform and still have your own machine. Unless ur broke like Sega.

 

[Hendrick's]

This is what I was mentioning earlier. Sony is different now and they are trying to go multi platform as quickly as possible.
the time of the exclusive console is over.

Thank you Phil

 

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Spider-Man 2, etc, on Switch. Ya heard it hear first.

 

[ReBurn]

I wonder where bryan is these days

Shitposting in the chat on Jaffe's YouTube streams.

 

[ZehDon]

It makes sense; Microsoft has really bullied Sony into a corner with its change in approach.

Sony owns the living room - there's no argument there: they've won the console war. So, Microsoft changed the game to grow beyond the console war in its bid to stay ahead of Apple, Amazon, and Google. Microsoft gave themselves a chance to compete with things like Game Pass, and it's working wonders for them. With their recent industry shaking plays, Sony needs to adapt. If they stayed on PlayStation, they'd limit themselves enormously, finding themselves in a world with lots of high quality cinematic third person action adventure games all tucked away in their closed eco-system pushing some 80m consoles, while Microsoft also pushes 80m consoles while also owning the PC space, blowing everyone else out of the water in the process.

I personally also think that Sony needs to work out a Game Pass competitor before it's too late. In June of next year, Game Pass is set to become the borderline defacto way to play most major franchises. Sony needs a horse in that race.

 

[lastmessiah]

Microsoft is way ahead of Sony in that direction and they are still planing in making more consoles. You can go multiplatform and still have your own machine. Unless ur broke like Sega.

The difference is that MS has the infrastructure to support the console though (Game Pass, xCloud). I'm not sure Sony hardware can survive on these expensive sp games that are few and far between, and that's probably what the bean counters told Jim Ryan.

 

[Nankatsu]

Sonysoft is about to become real.

 

[Captain Toad]

Well we know they're already doing R&D on the next Xbox. So there's another after the Series X|S.

Microsoft says it's already working on new Xbox consoles, "some of which won't come to light for years"

Microsoft made a raft of announcements today around the cloud - but it has also insisted it remains committed to making…

www.eurogamer.net

I agree there will be more consoles, but this isn't confirmation. These companies R&D tons of stuff that never sees the light of day.

 

[ReBurn]

Whole industry is heading that way. And yall still think COD will be xbox exclusive? Its about money. You'll make more of it being on multiple platforms. Point blank.

This sucks for console wars, that shit was fun.

COD was always going to be on PC. I don't think anyone expects it to be Xbox exclusive.

 

[mckmas8808]

Microsoft's GamePass lead is too large.

Without hardware (in the post console era) Sony's Playstation name doesn't carry the same cache. They are not Nintendo.

They are in deep trouble.

What is this "post console" era people keep speaking of? Did yall forget that Nintendo still makes hardware too?

 

[Swift_Star]

It's not really an illusion though, even Jim Ryan said that they are releasing on rival consoles. It makes sense if you accept that Sony don't see much use to being in the console business any longer.

That kool-aid must be good.

 

[CheeseCake]

It's not really an illusion though, even Jim Ryan said that they are releasing on rival consoles. It makes sense if you accept that Sony don't see much use to being in the console business any longer.

"Sony don't see much use to being in the console business any longer"

I swear some of you people...

 

[Portugeezer]

Remember when Phil Spencer had to suck his dick for crossplay.

 

[mckmas8808]

Does seem like a future where someone else is going to be making the hardware. Apple perhaps making expensive powerful consoles while Nintendo continues with the cheap stuff.
Everyone else fights for PC parts scraps. Thunderdome.

So why would Sony make a PSVR2 if they don't care about consoles anymore?

 

[a multicultural team of v]

They are, little by little, removing the incentive to buy a PlayStation. Why would they be doing that if they still thought the console was important for them? Selling consoles isn't how they make money, it's from what people then spend on those consoles. If they wanted to keep it that way, why would they be working so hard at making it irrelevant? Seems to me like the plan is something completely different, something closer to them actually going "3rd party". And it might be caused by them realizing they simply cannot outspend MS on stuff like Game Pass and acquisitions. So they buy Bungie to get some GaaS expertise in-house, and that's the future we're heading towards. A future where Sony is just another Ubisoft. *shudders*

Yeah but how in the hell do they plan on making up the licensing revenue? You are right, they don't make money on the hardware. They make good money selling Sony games. They make the REAL money taking 30% of the sales of EVERY single game and DLC purchased by those 100+ million Playstation owners. That's the real money - 30% of something they didn't spend any money on more than the download bandwidth.

They lose all of that without a console, and in fact would then themselves give up 30% of all of their game revenue to Steam, meaning they have to sell 30% more copies to make the same amount of money.

 

[RoadHazard]

The difference is that MS has the infrastructure to support the console though (Game Pass, xCloud). I'm not sure Sony hardware can survive on these expensive sp games that are few and far between, and that's probably what the bean counters told Jim Ryan.

Yep. Glorious GaaS future, bye bye high quality single player games. And bye bye me.

 

[lastmessiah]

"Sony don't see much use to being in the console business any longer"

I swear some of you people...

How am I wrong? What does Sony gain by continuing to manufacture consoles at this point?

 

[FStubbs]

What is this "post console" era people keep speaking of? Did yall forget that Nintendo still makes hardware too?

I mean, Sony and Microsoft just released hardware themselves not too long ago. Post console era? LOL.

I could argue that cryptominers gobbling up PC GPUs means we're in a post-PC gaming era. I'd be just as wrong.

How am I wrong? What does Sony gain by continuing to manufacture consoles at this point?

 

[Hitchyhero]

It makes sense; Microsoft has really bullied Sony into a corner with its change in approach.

Sony owns the living room - there's no argument there: they've won the console war. So, Microsoft changed the game to grow beyond the console war in its bid to stay ahead of Apple, Amazon, and Google. Microsoft gave themselves a chance to compete with things like Game Pass, and it's working wonders for them. With their recent industry shaking plays, Sony needs to adapt. If they stayed on PlayStation, they'd limit themselves enormously, finding themselves in a world with lots of high quality cinematic third person action adventure games all tucked away in their closed eco-system pushing some 80m consoles, while Microsoft also pushes 80m consoles while also owning the PC space, blowing everyone else out of the water in the process.

I personally also think that Sony needs to work out a Game Pass competitor before it's too late. In June of next year, Game Pass is set to become the borderline defacto way to play most major franchises. Sony needs a horse in that race.

I'm a massive massive fan of Gamepass, and actually switched to the Xbox this gen because of it. But I disagree that PS should make a better competing service to go up against it. That is not a battle Sony can win. In these types of services content is king and MS already has a ton of studios now.

I think the Bungie purchase is really crap and boring... But if they have expertise is GAAS area, then I could understand why Sony bought them. That's the direction they seem to be going because that's where they can see making the most money (for them)

 

[Captain Toad]

Sony don't see much use to being in the console business any longer.

Lol. Good grief.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Whoever thinks this means Sony is out of the hardware biz, you aren’t very bright.

 

[Swift_Star]

Yeah, this seems to be the last console generation for both Playstation and Xbox.

Hope Nintendo keeps making hardware though.

That ain’t happening. Consoles are here to stay.

 

[mckmas8808]

I mean, Sony and Microsoft just released hardware themselves not too long ago. Post console era? LOL.

I could argue that cryptominers gobbling up PC GPUs means we're in a post-PC gaming era. I'd be just as wrong.

100% THIS! The gif is perfect.

 

[MonarchJT]

that was clear ..the resistance of the fanboys was futile ......... they would have fallen behind if they had not taken the same path as Microsoft.
And honestly this is the best way the exclusives are a joke ..... that honestly does not pay anyone back, the opportunity to choose whether to play on consoles (as I do despite having a capable gaming PC) is an added advantage

 

[Cyber_hunter026]

Whoever thinks this means Sony is out of the hardware biz, you aren’t very bright.

Nah, it just means we are going to be seeing uncharted and God of war, hell horizon forbidden west on Xbox/switch /s

 

[RoadHazard]

Yeah but how in the hell do they plan on making up the licensing revenue? You are right, they don't make money on the hardware. They make good money selling Sony games. They make the REAL money taking 30% of the sales of EVERY single game and DLC purchased by those 100+ million Playstation owners. That's the real money - 30% of something they didn't spend any money on more than the download bandwidth.

They lose all of that without a console, and in fact would then themselves give up 30% of all of their game revenue to Steam, meaning they have to sell 30% more copies to make the same amount of money.

Exactly. So WHY are they removing the incentive to buy that console? Once they do that, they're not getting that cut anymore. That's what I don't get, which is why I can only assume that their future business model isn't based on that at all, and why I think they might be leaving the console hardware business. The games will become the services to make money off instead, which is exactly why they bought Bungie. And it won't matter to them on what hardware you play those games, so why even have your own console at that point?

 

[Orta]

It's all falling into place

 

[lastmessiah]

I mean, Sony and Microsoft just released hardware themselves not too long ago. Post console era? LOL.

I could argue that cryptominers gobbling up PC GPUs means we're in a post-PC gaming era. I'd be just as wrong.

If Sony was rolling in money from console sales, they wouldn't be making mulitplatform moves like this. Whatever though, time will tell.

 

[Swift_Star]

I'm a massive massive fan of Gamepass, and actually switched to the Xbox this gen because of it. But I disagree that PS should make a better competing service to go up against it. That is not a battle Sony can win. In these types of services content is king and MS already has a ton of studios now.

I think the Bungie purchase is really crap and boring... But if they have expertise is GAAS area, then I could understand why Sony bought them. That's the direction they seem to be going because that's where they can see masking the most money (for them)

You should not talk about things you don’t know.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

Yep. Glorious GaaS future, bye bye high quality single player games. And bye bye me.

Yeah, if there are no more consoles, my response is not to spend over $1000 on a PC I need to continuously upgrade. If there are no more standalone single player games, my response is not to play GaaS games and start paying a monthly fee to play them.

My response is to just play my PlayStation 1 instead.

 

[Captain Toad]

How am I wrong? What does Sony gain by continuing to manufacture consoles at this point?

The same gains they've had with every console they've released since the PS1.

Was that honestly a serious question?

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[lastmessiah]

The same gains they've had with every console they've released since the PS1.

Was that honestly a serious question?

Ok man. So I guess in your world everything is static and nothing changes. All is in the future as it was in the past. My world doesn't work like that so I see things differently.

 

[Aenima]

The difference is that MS has the infrastructure to support the console though (Game Pass, xCloud). I'm not sure Sony hardware can survive on these expensive sp games that are few and far between, and that's probably what the bean counters told Jim Ryan.

Go take a look at Playstation Revenew and Profits years after year and you soon realize Playstation is more healthier than ever. If they didnt droped the consoles during the PS3 gen when they was in the red for 4 years in a row, is not now that they will drop it when they printing money. The demand for PS5s is still higher than the supply. Only thing the bean counters are doing is massaging Jimbo shoulders while they watch him print money for Playstation.

 

[Captain Toad]

If Sony was rolling in money from console sales

You DO realize the purpose of the PlayStation and Xbox has never been making money off of console sales, right? It's the cut they get from every game sold on their platform and cut of every digital content purchase made on the platform.

 

[MonarchJT]

No surprise, the games are going to pc. Not to Xbox.

no surprise,despite all Sony fanboys said this would never happen lol

 

[PhaseJump]

We already knew Playstation was multiplatform. They put out a streaming service on PC years ago.

Jimbo states the obvious, and now people think they're quitting the console business entirely?

 

[RoadHazard]

The same gains they've had with every console they've released since the PS1.

Was that honestly a serious question?

No. Those consoles were made to sell games (and later microtransactions and services). If they're going multiplatform, something is very clearly changing in that strategy, and the end game might very well be that there is no PlayStation console anymore.

They just bought Bungie with the very clear statement that it was NOT to make their games PS exclusive. They're releasing more and more PC ports. Etc. Having people buy a PlayStation console is very obviously not the highest priority for them anymore. Things are changing.