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Xbox Series X/S consoles continue to sell at a record pace, Microsoft has claimed

Darius87

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For the same reason, Sony doesn't give out PS Now numbers on a quarterly scheduled basis and Apple doesn't give out Apple TV subs counts. It's kinda a small deal to the parent company. Microsoft also are quite tight lipped about Surface devices.

Cause Xbox's % of MS operating income is probably ~1-3% , it's revenue % is 8%. PS is 35.7% OI and 29.5% Rev.

At least I learnt the Sony numbers for FY2020.
still didn't answer my question the reason is? why bring apple tv and ms surface devices we talking about xbox, your arguments seems like grasping straws arguments has no real corellation with xbox.
 
still didn't answer my question the reason is? why bring apple tv and ms surface devices we talking about xbox, your arguments seems like grasping straws arguments has no real corellation with xbox.

Why would Microsoft put tons of focus on such an insignificant metric to their shareholders? Console sales aren't even some massively important metric to Xbox, let alone Microsoft as a whole, Game Pass and software sales are magnitudes more important. And considering Xbox is dwarfed by things like Office and Azure, why are you expecting them to go into vast details about console sales when that basically doesn't affect Microsoft as far as shareholders are concerned. This notion that they're "hiding" the numbers is pure fanboy fantasy.
 
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dcmk7

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Did you actually read what you quoted and bolded? No part of that even slightly insinuated that they think Microsoft doesn't care about console sales at all, rather that Xbox cares "MORE" about software and services than they do about console sales, which is almost certainly true

No, it couldn't be any clearer..
Sony and Nintendo only care about hardware sales.
 
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CeeJay

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Xcloud and other streaming subscriptions will kill off consoles and PCs.

Why pay for additional and expensive hardware when you can stream any game you want to any device that has a screen?

Absolutely crazy to think that in the future people will be using physical hardware to play games like their stuck in the 20th century 🤣🤣🤣😀
As good as Xcloud is (love streaming a game while its downloading!) it is still way better to play natively. The inevitable streaming artefacts totally break the immersion and if you get a blip at a crucial point in a fast paced game it is really frustrating. Streaming will get there eventually but it's going to take a fair while until it's "as good" as native. The real upshift to streaming will occur when it's unquestionably "better" than you can reasonably achieve from native hardware. Look at Flight Sim, this is a first taste of things to come where the hybrid streamed content is doing things that would require a ridiculous amount of storage to achieve the same natively. When we get to a point where we have reasonably cheap access to widespread cloud based hardware that is way more powerful in graphics, compute and storage than anything you could realistically have at home we will get to the scenario you talk about. This is not going to happen during this console generation though. Firstly the cloud vendors need to move towards providing this along with the SDKs and then it needs mainstream developers/publishers to move their business model onto that platform and code their games exclusively for it.
 
The bolded isn't a justified reason to not care about console sales numbers though. People have made that argument in sales thread over the last 2 years. It's why they justify MS "not" releasing hard numbers for almost everything.
But again I never said MS doesn't care about hardware sales. They would not make a console if they didn't plan on selling it. As mentioned earlier console sales are only one part of their gaming business so to report only on that wouldn't paint an accurate picture of their entire games business anyway.
 
No, it couldn't be any clearer..
You might need some reading comprehension. Saying "Sony and Nintendo only care about hardware sales" is only saying things about Sony and Nintendo's level of care, nothing about Microsoft. I think you're misreading it, what you're probably thinking is that it said "only Sony and Nintendo care about hardware sales", which is not what was said, but would fit with what you're confused on. The comment you quotes is quite literally talking about how Sony and Nintendo don't care about services that much, it doesn't say anything about MIcrosoft's care about hardware sales in any capacity
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
As good as Xcloud is (love streaming a game while its downloading!) it is still way better to play natively. The inevitable streaming artefacts totally break the immersion and if you get a blip at a crucial point in a fast paced game it is really frustrating. Streaming will get there eventually but it's going to take a fair while until it's "as good" as native. The real upshift to streaming will occur when it's unquestionably "better" than you can reasonably achieve from native hardware. Look at Flight Sim, this is a first taste of things to come where the hybrid streamed content is doing things that would require a ridiculous amount of storage to achieve the same natively. When we get to a point where we have reasonably cheap access to widespread cloud based hardware that is way more powerful in graphics, compute and storage than anything you could realistically have at home we will get to the scenario you talk about. This is not going to happen during this console generation though. Firstly the cloud vendors need to move towards providing this along with the SDKs and then it needs mainstream developers/publishers to move their business model onto that platform and code their games exclusively for it.

Not this generation, but I bet that Sony and Microsoft's next console will be a basic streaming box. Even that won't be needed. Both Sony and Microsoft will transition to streaming and subscription only.

Want to play the lastest MS and Sony games? Only option is a subscription. Want to access all the games you purchased on previous consoles. Sure, but you'll only be able to stream them and you'll also need to sign up to their subscription service.

Sounds like a dirty move, but it makes business sense. Hold the games to ransom and people will have no choice but to sign up to be able to stream their library. People wouldn't accept it today, but in a few years people will throw money at Sony and Microsoft for this service.

That leads to another point. If everything is subscription only, that means all third party games will have to launch on the service from day one. They won't have a choice if MS and Sony go subscription/streaming only. It means nobody will have to pay for another game ever again. Every game that has been made or will be made will be accessible via the stream/sub combo.
 
Not this generation, but I bet that Sony and Microsoft's next console will be a basic streaming box. Even that won't be needed. Both Sony and Microsoft will transition to streaming and subscription only.

Want to play the lastest MS and Sony games? Only option is a subscription. Want to access all the games you purchased on previous consoles. Sure, but you'll only be able to stream them and you'll also need to sign up to their subscription service.

Sounds like a dirty move, but it makes business sense. Hold the games to ransom and people will have no choice but to sign up to be able to stream their library. People wouldn't accept it today, but in a few years people will throw money at Sony and Microsoft for this service.

That leads to another point. If everything is subscription only, that means all third party games will have to launch on the service from day one. They won't have a choice if MS and Sony go subscription/streaming only. It means nobody will have to pay for another game ever again. Every game that has been made or will be made will be accessible via the stream/sub combo.


I think we're still at least 2 generations (probably more) from it being feasible to completely eliminate the ability to play games locally. We haven't even been able to eliminate physical game sales yet, there's no way either Xbox or Sony would be able to announce something like that and not receive Xbox One reveal type criticism x100
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I think we're still at least 2 generations (probably more) from it being feasible to completely eliminate the ability to play games locally. We haven't even been able to eliminate physical game sales yet, there's no way either Xbox or Sony would be able to announce something like that and not receive Xbox One reveal type criticism x100

They need to be brave. If you force people into a subscription and streaming future then they'll have no choice.
 

reksveks

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Not this generation, but I bet that Sony and Microsoft's next console will be a basic streaming box. Even that won't be needed. Both Sony and Microsoft will transition to streaming and subscription only.
Microsoft will introduce a streaming box into the product portfolio but its not going to be the only one. I still believe that they believe in the P2P future that Bill Gates predicted ages ago.

Also they need to add owned games into xcloud like geforce now.
 
They need to be brave. If you force people into a subscription and streaming future then they'll have no choice.
If one of them does it and the other one doesn't, they'll be absolutely destroyed. It would only kind of work if both Sony and Microsoft both agreed to do it, and even then I think you'd see mass migration to Nintendo or PC that I don't think either side would want to see.
 

Darius87

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Why would Microsoft put tons of focus on such an insignificant metric to their shareholders? Console sales aren't even some massively important metric to Xbox, let alone Microsoft as a whole, Game Pass and software sales are magnitudes more important. And considering Xbox is dwarfed by things like Office and Azure, why are you expecting them to go into vast details about console sales when that basically doesn't affect Microsoft as far as shareholders are concerned. This notion that they're "hiding" the numbers is pure fanboy fantasy.
releasing sales numbers is a tons of focus :messenger_grinning_smiling:
why wouldn't they release sales numbers if it's an insignificant metric as you say? what 's the point of hidding it?
you have to remember when they started hidding it when xone was doing poorly last gen now it became arguments like insignificant metric (which is not),
tons of focus for releasing it (which is not),
other MS apps (which has nothing to do with xbox),
go into vast details about console sales (there's actual one number i don't see anything vast about it :messenger_grinning_smiling:)

i could go on... but reality is same as was with xone, but keep bringing fanboys and laughable arguments. good luck .
 

kingfey

Banned
releasing sales numbers is a tons of focus :messenger_grinning_smiling:
why wouldn't they release sales numbers if it's an insignificant metric as you say? what 's the point of hidding it?
you have to remember when they started hidding it when xone was doing poorly last gen now it became arguments like insignificant metric (which is not),
tons of focus for releasing it (which is not),
other MS apps (which has nothing to do with xbox),
go into vast details about console sales (there's actual one number i don't see anything vast about it :messenger_grinning_smiling:)

i could go on... but reality is same as was with xone, but keep bringing fanboys and laughable arguments. good luck .
What are you going to do with numbers? Shove it in to other side group?

Honestly, why do you guys care about numbers this much?
 

iHaunter

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This is really great news, Xbox was a shell of its former self last gen, gotta give uncle Phil props for reviving the brand.
Still is, people are buying them due to scalping. So they don't get screwed either way. Last gen also lasted so long that people have not really been able to play proper 4K for a long time.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
If one of them does it and the other one doesn't, they'll be absolutely destroyed. It would only kind of work if both Sony and Microsoft both agreed to do it, and even then I think you'd see mass migration to Nintendo or PC that I don't think either side would want to see.

They both will.

People won't jump to PC or Nintendo either, well not if Microsoft and Sony use their brains anyway. To prevent people moving to PC and Nintendo, all Microsoft and Sony have to do is ensure that customers digital libraries from previous gens are accessible only if they subscribe to the new services. People will have no choice but to sign up.

As I've already stated, the beauty of this is that by making a subscription service the only way to play the games, third party publishers will also have no choice but to add all thier games to the service from day one.

Absolute master plan.
 
releasing sales numbers is a tons of focus :messenger_grinning_smiling:
why wouldn't they release sales numbers if it's an insignificant metric as you say? what 's the point of hidding it?
you have to remember when they started hidding it when xone was doing poorly last gen now it became arguments like insignificant metric (which is not),
tons of focus for releasing it (which is not),
other MS apps (which has nothing to do with xbox),
go into vast details about console sales (there's actual one number i don't see anything vast about it :messenger_grinning_smiling:)

i could go on... but reality is same as was with xone, but keep bringing fanboys and laughable arguments. good luck .

They don't show it because it's a waste of time to the shareholders and really anybody that's not desperate to know how much their plastic box is winning by, there's no benefit to sharing the numbers, so why would they? It's such a small part of a small part of the company that just showing Xbox revenue is far more than enough.

They stopped showing numbers when they got a new CEO, weird how that would change something, and be completely unrelated to whether their Xbox console was doing well or not.

Not showing something is not the same as hiding something. There's no reason for them to show it, so they don't. The only people who truly care about the exact number of XSX/XSS that have sold either A. Already know, or B. are people who just want to compare the number to Sony and brag about how they picked the more popular console (why people care about that I'll never know, I didn't get any more enjoyment out of the 360 due to it outselling the PS3, and my enjoyment of the Xbox One wasn't diminished because the PS4 was selling more)

Game Pass is the new Xbox metric, console sales aren't the end-all-be-all anymore, so of there's no possible benefit or reason to show those numbers, why would they do it? Just to satisfy a few fanboys on internet forums? Somehow I think the biggest company in the world doesn't make decisions due to things like that
 

NickFire

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“At this point, we’ve sold more of this generation of Xboxes, which is Xbox Series X and S, than we had any previous version of Xboxes."

Technically, he's comparing an entire generation to singular versions of prior generations. So anyone know the first 13.5 month splits between 360 and 360 Arcade?
 

Darius87

Member
What does that do, for the current consoles?
What do they gain from?

If you wanna compare something, look at games. Games are what shows your progress.
They don't show it because it's a waste of time to the shareholders and really anybody that's not desperate to know how much their plastic box is winning by, there's no benefit to sharing the numbers, so why would they? It's such a small part of a small part of the company that just showing Xbox revenue is far more than enough.
another excuse 'waste of time' :messenger_grinning_smiling: you can't think more ridiculous argument like how much time does it take to post on twitter or xbox official site sales numbers like 5 minutes that's indeed waste of 5 minutes :messenger_grinning_smiling:.
everyone knows theyr competitor is winning even when MS combines 2 different consoles in one sales metric that's not the valid argument to make.
They stopped showing numbers when they got a new CEO, weird how that would change something, and be completely unrelated to whether their Xbox console was doing well or not.
Microsoft stops reporting console sales - date 23rd october 2015
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-10-23-microsoft-stops-reporting-console-sales
Spencer became CEO in late march 2014
wee know xone was disaster from the start so yea it's related.
 
if all sony games were released on pc day one, playstation would still sell like crazy.

Yes it would still sell like crazy. But it will shrink in size.

Xsex and xses are selling like crazy. But, imho, it will not attain 360 numbers again ever because many xbox gamers already migrated to PC.
 

Sosokrates

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I dont think we’ll see Xbox getting past 65/70million again
Interesting, what do you think the yearly sales will be in 7 years?

If it sold about 12million in the first year, you think they will dip below 10mill in some years?

The 360s best years where in its 2nd half of the gen.

Also what happens if the seriesS go3s to $199/149?

At that point its competing with amazon/apple TV and would more featured then those devices, an amazon cube like form factor is possible with 3nm.
 
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kingfey

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Yes it would still sell like crazy. But it will shrink in size.

Xsex and xses are selling like crazy. But, imho, it will not attain 360 numbers again ever because many xbox gamers already migrated to PC.
I like how non pc gamers think, we pc players dont buy consoles at all. This is really hilarious.
 

Darius87

Member
Why bring other console here then?

Its the ceo of the company, saying their current console sold, more than their successful console. Other console success has nothing to do with this.
that was my responce to SteelCurtain and i don't think saying "competitor" is bringing other console or it is?
 

Sosokrates

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Yes it would still sell like crazy. But it will shrink in size.

Xsex and xses are selling like crazy. But, imho, it will not attain 360 numbers again ever because many xbox gamers already migrated to PC.

I think there might be a chance that cloud and PC being xbox platforms could actually increase console sales, because its increasing the mindshare of xbox. People who never had internet in xbox console could get one because they were introduced to th me xbox ecosystem via PC/cloud.
 

kingfey

Banned
that was my responce to SteelCurtain and i don't think saying "competitor" is bringing other console or it is?
everyone knows theyr competitor is winning even when MS combines 2 different consoles in one sales metric
When you type it like, it is.

MS at this point has 2 goals. Xcloud and gamepass. Their console is gateway for their gamepass. They dont care if they outsell or undersell compared to playstation consoles.
 
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I also wonder
343 will take care of Halo Infinite but they are (per rumors) working on another Halo related project (1)
The Coalition is working on new non Gears game and then it is Gears 6 (2)
Compulsion Games is working on action adventure game - Project Midnight (1)
Double Fine is early at work on multiple projects (2?)
The Initiative is working on Perfect Dark (1)
inXile is working on FPS RPG Steampunk game - Project Cobalt (1)
Mojang is working on 2 Minecraft related games (2)
Ninja Theory is working on Hellblade 2 and Project Mara (2)
Obsidian is working on Pentiment, Avowed and The Outer Worlds 2 (3)
Playground games is working on Fable and still have Forza Team for FH6 (2)
Rare is working on Everwild (1)
Turn 10 - Forza Motorsport (1)
Undead Labs - State of Decay 3 (1)
Arkane - Redfall and new game from Deathloop devs (2)
BGS - Starfield and TES VI (2)
id Software - probably Quake reboot (1)
MachineGames - Indiana Jones a probably Wolfenstein III (2)
Tango Gameworks - GhostWire and second game (2)
Zenimax Online - Two projects (2)
Roundhouse - wild card (probably 1)
Then you have XGS publishing stuff like Contraband, Project Dragon from IO Interactive, that Wu-Tang RPG game, Project Indus (4X strategy game) (4)
And I'm not including rumored collaboration with Kojima and many unannounced projects.

But i'm still only on 36, not 60 projects.

They are funding a large number of Xbox published titles; Second party projects, if you want...
 

Stuart360

Member
Not really. They could be burning billions to have that success.
If MS are claiming the console is selling at record pace then show the numbers or otherwise STFU. Somehow Sony and Nintendo manage to release figures......
Look some of you really need to accept that Microsoft dont release console sales numbers anymore.
They havent since 2014 so its not like this is a new thing. Plus Phil literally said before this gen started that No they wont release sales numbers this gen, even if they were winning. That was his words.
Of course bits of info comes out that lets us estimate numbers, and that will have to do.

Said this earlier, i predict 70-80mil sales this gen, sales will probably be over 80mil in all probability due to IMO the gen going on a year or two longer than orig planned due to Covid and supply constraint.
PS5 will sell 100+mil and win the gen.
There really is no need for this downplaying, or conspiracy theories evrytime Micosoft has a bit of good news. PS5 is still going to win the gen so cant we just have a bit of goodwill over the fact that all 3 majory companies are doing well?.
 
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M16

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damn, series s is gonna win this gen. the fact that its the demand rather than the chip shortage thats keeping more of these from being available to buy, and the numbers it has already sold shows how much damage its already doing worldwide.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
Interesting, what do you think the yearly sales will be in 7 years?

If it sold about 12million in the first year, you think they will dip below 10mill in some years?

The 360s best years where in its 2nd half of the gen.

Also what happens if the seriesS go3s to $199/149?

At that point its competing with amazon/apple TV and would more featured then those devices, an amazon cube like form factor is possible with 3nm.

Im not sure but I think this generation will be shorter for both Playstation and Xbox unless they have a mid gen upgrades, thats one reason I dont see the numbers being higher.
I dont think PS5 will beat PS4 numbers unless they change alot around. Stocks issues turning around and more killer next gen games than PS4 did.

I thought xbox 360’s last 2 years saw a drop, just like PS4 and Xbox one did?

I think just like PS4 and Xbox 1, Series X/S will hit a peak mid gen and then start dropping like PS4/Xbox 1 did. Unless they release Elder Scrolls 6 at the end a bit like how PS3 released TLOU1 in its final year.

Yes if series S has a price drop that could help.

Personally I don’t think it will pass 360’s numbers but that would be pretty amazing to hit 85million anyway or close. Im sure there will be plenty surprised along the way, so who truly knows
 

mckmas8808

Banned
I think we're still at least 2 generations (probably more) from it being feasible to completely eliminate the ability to play games locally. We haven't even been able to eliminate physical game sales yet, there's no way either Xbox or Sony would be able to announce something like that and not receive Xbox One reveal type criticism x100

The question you and others would have to ask is, "do gamers want to only play games if they have a constant internet connection at all times?" And how would that work in all countries around the world?
 

mckmas8808

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And how does that contradicts what I say?
MAU and dollar x user are the important metrics, as I said.

Did you read the article? It said in 2019, Microsoft stated that they will stop giving out the MAU numbers.
 
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Gamestop near me had at least 3 Series S, with bundles of stuff, sold while I was standing in line to buy a Slinky. One guy was trading in his Xbone X for a Series S.
It was taking too long to do the trade so I put the Slinky back on the shelf and walked out, Slinkyless.
 

mckmas8808

Banned
damn, series s is gonna win this gen. the fact that its the demand rather than the chip shortage thats keeping more of these from being available to buy, and the numbers it has already sold shows how much damage its already doing worldwide.

This comment is why Microsoft doesn't release numbers anymore.
 

ZywyPL

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