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[megreotsugua]

Nope.

Oh, I didn't realize I was looking at the controller.

 

[Fredrik]

Ok... how is it "way better" than the Quest 2? I already posted above the screen differences.

OLED, higher res, eye-tracking, wider FOV.

 

[Tygeezy]

You have to use black frame insertion in VR headsets to reduce blur. This is going to limit the luminance of the hdr. Probably can only output something like 300-400 nits in order to keep the persistence at 1-2 ms so we don’t have a motion blur fest.

Still no mention of lens type. If they’re using fresnel lenses it’s going to be disappointing and render the hdr useless.

 

[ZehDon]

Quest 2
sub-4K, SDR, LCD, 120 Hz, 90° FOV

PS VR2
4K, HDR, OLED, 120 Hz, 110° FOV

Its significantly better.

Lol, your definition of "significant" needs adjusting, friend:

Interesting screen specs:
PSVR: 960x1080 per eye, 100 Degrees Horizontal FOV.
PSVR2: 2000 x 2040 per eye, 110 Degrees Horizontal FOV.
Quest 2: 1832x1920 per eye, 89 Degrees Horizontal FOV.

Using Pixels per Radian to understand visible screen clarity, this gives PSVR 10.3k PPR versus a whopping 37k PPR for PSVR2. So, the jump in clarity - my single biggest complaint with PSVR - is going to be pretty significant. In comparison, Quest 2 has 39.5k PPR - however, it has a slightly smaller FOV. So, PSVR2 is absolutely comparable to the Quest 2 in terms of display clarity.

The HDR OLED is great. The FOV is whatever. So, a step up - not "significantly better". Don't overstate what they've made here - PSVR2 is good, but PCVR has been clipping along nicely for a while now. Quest 2 is wireless, and works with a PC in addition to its onboard chip. Now, if Sony come out and say PSVR2 works with a PC, and we're getting a wireless pack for it down the road, well now we're talking about more than a step up.

 

[N1tr0sOx1d3]

Hope they patch Hitman 3 for dual controller support. Hitman 3 feels lame with both hands tethered to a single controller.
I would love to see The Last Guardian made VR too in its entirety for VR oh and Bioshock too, damn there so much good here…

 

[SSfox]

I'm already sick of Horizon

Tho VR2 can be cool if there will be games that will use it genuinely.

 

[ABnormal]

PSVR looked incredibly blurry, owing to its very low PPR counts. The PSVR's custom sub-pixel arrangement - including higher density toward the centre of the screen - prevents the screen-door effect, with only a minimal difference to the actual clarity of the rendered image.


Cool. This means nothing. The PSVR has foveated rendering, done in software. The edges of the image are rendered at lower resolutions, with the centre of the image rendered at a higher resolution. What everyone is curious about is eye-tracked foveated rendering. This was the original definition of foveated rendering. This technique allows the image to render the precise point on the image your eyes are looking at a higher resolution, and the other areas at a lower resolution. This provides a good performance win, while ensuring every part of the image appears crystal clear to the player. If PSVR2 had this, Sony would be trumpeting it.

I didn't think it was necessary to state that PSVR2 will have an higher resolution. The point is that at the same resolution, the sub pixel setup of PSVR is clearer and sharper. It's old news and it's just the result of that tech. You can find it in every review at the time. The screen will be also an OLED, with HDR, which are both another level of quality, compared to what you can find now.

And about foveated rendering, a software thing doesn't even have sense. It has to be necessarily done accordingly to the direction of the gaze, and PSVR2 head director said that it's the feature that considers the most important. Putting a fast IR eye tracker just to browse menus is pointless as well.

You're bouncing between topics, and aren't really clarifying anything. The customised sub-pixel alignment of the PSVR screen limits the screen door effect. This is what the reviews talk about. PSVR has, for its pixel count, basically no screen door effect - an incredibly impressive piece of engineering. It doesn't magically conjure additional pixels to display additional visual information, improving clarity.
The HDR OLED screen, however, will provide much better colours - especially for darker images, which LCDs always struggle with. The images are going to be more vibrant and much more lifelike than the Quest 2, no question there.


Nothing you've written here addresses my post. We don't know if PSVR2 has eye-tracked foveated rendering, but it's such a massive feature that I doubt Sony wouldn't be talking about it if they had it. We'll wait and see, but as it stands right now, they don't claim to have it.

The screen door effect is exactly one of the things that make the image less definite to perception. Not a matter of resolution, but perception itself. That's the point.

And about FR, as said, it's already been discussed by the project leader himself. Aside the fact that adding a eye tracker would be pointless, if not for FR. FR is exactly what console hardware needs, more than PC VR. But only time will tell to what extent will be used.

 

[hlm666]

You have to use black frame insertion in VR headsets to reduce blur. This is going to limit the luminance of the hdr. Probably can only output something like 300-400 nits in order to keep the persistence at 1-2 ms so we don’t have a motion blur fest.

Still no mention of lens type. If they’re using fresnel lenses it’s going to be disappointing and render the hdr useless.

If they were using them they would be saying so, whenever someone from oculus talks about cambria it's always bought up along with them being more expensive so at some point sony will have had to sacrifice on some things this is probably one of those things so they can try come in under the cost of the actual console.

 

[ZehDon]

The screen door effect is exactly one of the things that make the image less definite to perception. Not a matter of resolution, but perception itself. That's the point.

Ok... and? Have you used any modern PCVR HMD?

And about FR, as said, it's already been discussed by the project leader himself. Aside the fact that adding a eye tracker would be pointless, if not for FR. FR is exactly what console hardware needs, more than PC VR. But only time will tell to what extent will be used.

You're just repeating yourself. Post a link to the article or the time stamped video where a representative of Sony says: "we have eye-tracked foveated rendering for PSVR2". If there isn't one, then it's speculation until they confirm it.

 

[kyliethicc]

Lol, your definition of "significant" needs adjusting, friend

HDR vs SDR is significant.
OLED vs LCD is significant
110 vs 90 FOV is significant.

 

[cyberheater]

Beautiful OLED blacks will look amazing on this VR headset.

 

[Tygeezy]

If they were using them they would be saying so, whenever someone from oculus talks about cambria it's always bought up along with them being more expensive so at some point sony will have had to sacrifice on some things this is probably one of those things so they can try come in under the cost of the actual console.

I hope that’s not the case. The worst thing about the quest 2 is the fresnel lenses and the glare you get from bright white objects against a dark background. It spews light everywhere and would totally defeat the purpose of hdr.

 

[Fredrik]

You have to use black frame insertion in VR headsets to reduce blur. This is going to limit the luminance of the hdr. Probably can only output something like 300-400 nits in order to keep the persistence at 1-2 ms so we don’t have a motion blur fest.

I’m a big fan of bright living room TVs, no OLED for me, but how much of a problem could a darker OLED screen realistically be in a closed up VR headset?

 

[Negotiator101]

I'm already sick of Horizon

Tho VR2 can be cool if there will be games that will use it genuinely.

It's all about the games and ultimately a VR game is far too restricted compared to a non VR game, tech isn't there yet as a viable mainstream product.

 

[Tygeezy]

I’m a big fan of bright living room TVs, no OLED for me, but how much of a problem could a darker OLED screen realistically be in a closed up VR headset?

HDR in general is meant for very dark room viewing. VR is a good fit for hdr because you have a dark environment, however sdr can reach close to that luminance despite 100 nits mostly being reference for movies.

If they’re using fresnel lenses and you can only reach say 300 nits, it’s not going to be noticeable different.

If they are using pancake lenses then it starts to make more sense.

 

[Tomeru]

Was really hoping they'd figure out a way to ditch the cable.

Tru dat. Atleast its a single usb cable. The esser evil. I also wnder about pc compatibilty.

 

[Fredrik]

It's all about the games and ultimately a VR game is far too restricted compared to a non VR game, tech isn't there yet as a viable mainstream product.

Oculus Quest 2 had sold over 10 million units even before the hollidays, VR is already as mainstream as Xbox Series consoles at least. And in what way is a VR game restricted? It can be the exact same game, but more immersive. Like Skyrim VR or MS Flight Sim in VR, or NMS in VR. Or it can be more compact and unique experiences like Moss or Halflife Alyx. The VR tech is already amazing. What’s needed is AAA devs waking up.

 

[ABnormal]

Ok... and? Have you used any modern PCVR HMD?


You're just repeating yourself. Post a link to the article or the time stamped video where a representative of Sony says: "we have eye-tracked foveated rendering for PSVR2". If there isn't one, then it's speculation until they confirm it.

Only the Vive index. The point is that the percepted clarity depends both by the resolution and the structure of the pixels. If you have both, the result is better.

Look for the interview by yourself. If you need to be negative, enjoy it. Calling FR the reduction of detail at the edges of the sceen is a scam itself, since there's no fovea involved (if you need to look at the center of the screen to have more detail, it is not gaze based, but screen based), but as said, time will tell.

 

[cyberheater]

I wonder what it would take to get this to work on a PC as well.

 

[Tygeezy]

Tru dat. Atleast its a single usb cable. The esser evil. I also wnder about pc compatibilty.

Probably not going to be compatible. Only the Nvidia 20 series non super cards got a usb c port with the bandwidth capable of doing VR. Unless Sony is using compression, which i’m seriously doubting. If it is compressing to hevc Sony would need to release pc software like oculus has for link/airlink.

VirtualLink - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Gameplaylover]

Damn, was hoping they would go wireless. Too bad.

 

[Fredrik]

Tru dat. Atleast its a single usb cable. The esser evil.

What’s the difference? You’re still wired. I’m using one wire on Quest 2 occasionally for PC VR. Whenever you feel the wire pull because you’ve spinned around or if you feel it on your arms etc you’re instantly reminded of where you are and is pulled out of the immersion. It’s only useful with very static games, like MS Flight Simulator.

My hope is that Sony is updating the headset with a wireless solution after launch, just like Oculus did.

 

[ZehDon]

HDR vs SDR is significant.
OLED vs LCD is significant
110 vs 90 FOV is significant.

No, they're more "nice to have".

It's nice to have a Switch OLED, but the OG is still great.
It's nice to have HDR, but SDR is still terrific. Especially in VR, where external light is blocked out of the HMD.
It's nice to have 110 FOV, but the PSVR2 trades radian clarity for it. In VR, at resolutions this close to your face, radian clarity will still be king for years.

PSVR2 is a great piece of kit. I'll probably get one for Sony's exclusives alone, and enjoy the heck out of it. But - apart from the HDR OLED - it's on par with the current PCVR HMDs. That's still great, and PlayStation fans are potentially in for a real treat. But, Sony haven't flipped the tea table, they haven't delivered a mic drop. They're one step above on a couple of points, on par in many more points, and behind in one or two. That's the reality.
45K PPR, HDR OLED, Wireless, fully PC compatible, all for USD$400.00. That would've been a mic drop. As it is, PSVR2 still sounds really great. Can't wait to try it out.

 

[kyliethicc]

No, they're more "nice to have".

It's nice to have a Switch OLED, but the OG is still great.
It's nice to have HDR, but SDR is still terrific. Especially in VR, where external light is blocked out of the HMD.
It's nice to have 110 FOV, but the PSVR2 trades radian clarity for it. In VR, at resolutions this close to your face, radian clarity will still be king for years.

PSVR2 is a great piece of kit. I'll probably get one for Sony's exclusives alone, and enjoy the heck out of it. But - apart from the HDR OLED - it's on par with the current PCVR HMDs. That's still great, and PlayStation fans are potentially in for a real treat. But, Sony haven't flipped the tea table, they haven't delivered a mic drop. They're one step above on a couple of points, on par in many more points, and behind in one or two. That's the reality.
45K PPR, HDR OLED, Wireless, fully PC compatible, all for USD$400.00. That would've been a mic drop. As it is, PSVR2 still sounds really great. Can't wait to try it out.

 

[rofif]

No, they're more "nice to have".

It's nice to have a Switch OLED, but the OG is still great.
It's nice to have HDR, but SDR is still terrific. Especially in VR, where external light is blocked out of the HMD.
It's nice to have 110 FOV, but the PSVR2 trades radian clarity for it. In VR, at resolutions this close to your face, radian clarity will still be king for years.

PSVR2 is a great piece of kit. I'll probably get one for Sony's exclusives alone, and enjoy the heck out of it. But - apart from the HDR OLED - it's on par with the current PCVR HMDs. That's still great, and PlayStation fans are potentially in for a real treat. But, Sony haven't flipped the tea table, they haven't delivered a mic drop. They're one step above on a couple of points, on par in many more points, and behind in one or two. That's the reality.
45K PPR, HDR OLED, Wireless, fully PC compatible, all for USD$400.00. That would've been a mic drop. As it is, PSVR2 still sounds really great. Can't wait to try it out.

HDR is really so good. Once you played good hdr, it looks almost black and white for a moment when you disable it lol.
Alan Wake remaster, I would even survive Alan having stupid new face if only the remaster had hdr... but nope.

btw - hope sony pulse 3d headphones can be still used wirelessly with psvr2 unlike psvr1

 

[Gameplaylover]

No, they're more "nice to have".

It's nice to have a Switch OLED, but the OG is still great.
It's nice to have HDR, but SDR is still terrific. Especially in VR, where external light is blocked out of the HMD.
It's nice to have 110 FOV, but the PSVR2 trades radian clarity for it. In VR, at resolutions this close to your face, radian clarity will still be king for years.

PSVR2 is a great piece of kit. I'll probably get one for Sony's exclusives alone, and enjoy the heck out of it. But - apart from the HDR OLED - it's on par with the current PCVR HMDs. That's still great, and PlayStation fans are potentially in for a real treat. But, Sony haven't flipped the tea table, they haven't delivered a mic drop. They're one step above on a couple of points, on par in many more points, and behind in one or two. That's the reality.
45K PPR, HDR OLED, Wireless, fully PC compatible, all for USD$400.00. That would've been a mic drop. As it is, PSVR2 still sounds really great. Can't wait to try it out.

Dude that's more than nice to have. Unfortunately no wireless, that would have been the icing on the cake.

 

[Tygeezy]

What’s the difference? You’re still wired. I’m using one wire on Quest 2 occasionally for PC VR. Whenever you feel the wire pull because you’ve spinned around or if you feel it on your arms etc you’re instantly reminded of where you are and is pulled out of the immersion. It’s only useful with very static games, like MS Flight Simulator.

My hope is that Sony is updating the headset with a wireless solution after launch, just like Oculus did.

They had a patent going that looked like a usb cable that connected to a device. They could have some sort of hgig type connection the vive uses to achieve the higher bandwidth you won’t even be able to do over even wifi 6e’s extended bandwidth.

I actually use smooth turn for a lot of games despite it being wireless. I don’t like to move with the left joystick and use my body to turn at the same time. That tends to get a bit dizzying. If I’m playing in my garage I can use full free movement and that’s great, but I don’t mind at all playing a fps game seated using smooth turn cranked up high and smooth locomotion (left stick movement.) I’ve played resident evil 4 vr in bed very comfortably.

If VR is going to go mainstream you’re going to need good seated options for both long play session comfort and accessibility purposes for wheelchair bound folks that love VR.

 

[Goalus]

Wired and seems to require a PS5 in order to work at all.

 

[shubik]

I always wanted a VR headset but never actually pulled the trigger on the first PSVR. This one will be day one (if it will be possible to get one).

SONY is serious about VR. I´m sure we will see lots of fantastic first-party titles. No way I will miss those out.

 

[Jim Ryan other Clone]

Just don’t understand Sony’s obsesssion with VR, and now they are even acquiring studios for this bs.

Someone has to move the technology forward. Can't just make the same thing with better graphics, sometimes someone has to push the boundaries for others to follow and create even better products. It would be awesome to play something like ready player one in our lifetime.

 

[sinnergy]

Wired

 

[cyberheater]

PSVR2 is a great piece of kit. I'll probably get one for Sony's exclusives alone, and enjoy the heck out of it. But - apart from the HDR OLED - it's on par with the current PCVR HMDs. That's still great, and PlayStation fans are potentially in for a real treat. But, Sony haven't flipped the tea table, they haven't delivered a mic drop.

I've no doubt that when PSVR2 drops it will be the best in class VR headset.
I've got both a Quest1 and Quest2. I go back to the Quest1 for PCVR gaming due to the OLED blacks. In games like Half Life Alyx the deep true blacks beats resolution. Given that PSVR2 is OLED and better then Quest2 resolution is going to make the display incredible.
Foveated resolution in a consumer headset is going to ensure the best in class visuals from the PS5. I'm sure the foveate resolution solution from Sony will be top drawer.
Add in the headset onboard haptic feedback and how comfortable the headset is likely to be.

Yeah. When you add it all up. It's a game changer. The gaming experience is going to be amazing.

 

[sinnergy]

Pricing ? Did they announce ?

 

[SLB1904]

HDR vs SDR is significant.
OLED vs LCD is significant
110 vs 90 FOV is significant.

PS4 VS PS5 is significant

 

[Calverz]

This will be really cool. But the lack of wireless is a big bummer man.

 

[THE DUCK]

I'll be there day one with my money. But.....

So switch Sells 120 million switches, oculus lets say 12 million and they decide to put there eggs into vr? It's fun to stay cutting edge but why ignore the portable market? This same time and attention and you could be looking a steam deck like playstation portable that docks and has a whole wack of ported ps4 and ps5 games that would easily outsell psvr2.

 

[T0minator]

Nice. Thank god it uses oled. Every damn headset swapped to lcd and it always looks like shit.
So specs look amazing. Hope it allows to use pulse 3d wirelessly still

About the horizon demo… I have a bad feeling of non stop fucking talking like in every vrr experience ugh

I actually imagine looking up at a huge machine in VR aiming my bow with explosive arrows shooting each shot with haptic feed back while a herd of machines run towards me. The possibilities of a game like this are incredible.

 

[Fredrik]

They had a patent going that looked like a usb cable that connected to a device. They could have some sort of hgig type connection the vive uses to achieve the higher bandwidth you won’t even be able to do over even wifi 6e’s extended bandwidth.

I actually use smooth turn for a lot of games despite it being wireless. I don’t like to move with the left joystick and use my body to turn at the same time. That tends to get a bit dizzying. If I’m playing in my garage I can use full free movement and that’s great, but I don’t mind at all playing a fps game seated using smooth turn cranked up high and smooth locomotion (left stick movement.) I’ve played resident evil 4 vr in bed very comfortably.

If VR is going to go mainstream you’re going to need good seated options for both long play session comfort and accessibility purposes for wheelchair bound folks that love VR.

I sit on a spinnable chair, turn 360 degrees with the stick (when possible) but smaller turns are done by ”walking” with my feet to rotate the chair. Doing something with the feet on the floor is important for me, it’s much worse when stuff is happening without me doing anything, I can get motion sick even from normal non-VR first person games.
Now that I dissect it, the biggest problem for me with PSVR2 could potentially be the couch. Can’t rotate the couch lol

 

[Goalus]

I've no doubt that when PSVR2 drops it will be the best in class VR headset.
I've got both a Quest1 and Quest2. I go back to the Quest1 for PCVR gaming due to the OLED blacks. In games like Half Life Alyx the deep true blacks beats resolution. Given that PSVR2 is OLED and better then Quest2 resolution is going to make the display incredible.
Foveated resolution in a consumer headset is going to ensure the best in class visuals from the PS5. I'm sure the foveate resolution solution from Sony will be top drawer.
Add in the headset onboard haptic feedback and how comfortable the headset is likely to be.

Yeah. When you add it all up. It's a game changer. The gaming experience is going to be amazing.

It can't be the best if it's wired and requires a PS5.

 

[Clintizzle]

I guess extravagant announcements are not really a thing anymore. Jim announcing it was like I was in a board meeting and he was doing a bad pitch about Playstation.

Otherwise, the specs look really good and I'm hyped for what they are going to ask their 1st party to come up with.

I love that Playstation still see VR as something important and are investing into it.

 

[GymWolf]

Wired is already a big negative, hopefully the comfort it's gonna be at least better than oculus devices.

 

[Fredrik]

I love that Playstation still see VR as something important and are investing into it.

Yeah I’d say they’re all important, Apple will be too if they jump in, anything that grow the market and make AAA devs invest in it is a good thing. Once there is big money to make the big devs will come.

 

[Tomeru]

Probably not going to be compatible. Only the Nvidia 20 series non super cards got a usb c port with the bandwidth capable of doing VR. Unless Sony is using compression, which i’m seriously doubting. If it is compressing to hevc Sony would need to release pc software like oculus has for link/airlink.

VirtualLink - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Its a cable. Thats like saying quest2 only works wired with the official cable (which is not true). Type c to type a is easy peasy lemon squeezy.

 

[Tygeezy]

I sit on a spinnable chair, turn 360 degrees with the stick (when possible) but smaller turns are done by ”walking” with my feet to rotate the chair. Doing something with the feet on the floor is important for me, it’s much worse when stuff is happening without me doing anything, I can get motion sick even from normal non-VR first person games.
Now that I dissect it, the biggest problem for me with PSVR2 could potentially be the couch. Can’t rotate the couch lol

Swivel chairs with no arm rests or stools with with wheels are great options for long play session VR or just big open works type of games.

I’ve been lucky and don’t seem to get affected by motion sickness, but moving really fast with the left stick and then turning my body to turn just doesn’t feel good to me. It doesn’t make me feel sick, but it’s a little disorienting.

 

[Tygeezy]

Its a cable. Thats like saying quest2 only works wired with the official cable (which is not true). Type c to type a is easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Type c by itself doesn’t have the necessary bandwidth to deliver high resolution plus high refresh rate without compressing to h.264 or hevc video. It’s most definitely not easy.

You realize quest 2 is compressing the image to video formats used in uhd blu ray yes ?

 

[skit_data]

Dammit, I want one and I will be piss poor in the following years. I love studying but things like this make me miss working at a full time job.

 

[Fredrik]

Its a cable. Thats like saying quest2 only works wired with the official cable (which is not true). Type c to type a is easy peasy lemon squeezy.

It’s a cable, yeah, like wired controllers. Why do we use wireless controllers again?
1 or 10 cables, same thing, you’re stuck and will have a cable going through the room, and with VR you’re not always seated but turn around and do all kinds of stretching exercises. It’s a problem.
But I hope they’ll release a solution later.

 

[Bramble]

No, they're more "nice to have".

It's nice to have a Switch OLED, but the OG is still great.
It's nice to have HDR, but SDR is still terrific. Especially in VR, where external light is blocked out of the HMD.
It's nice to have 110 FOV, but the PSVR2 trades radian clarity for it. In VR, at resolutions this close to your face, radian clarity will still be king for years.

PSVR2 is a great piece of kit. I'll probably get one for Sony's exclusives alone, and enjoy the heck out of it. But - apart from the HDR OLED - it's on par with the current PCVR HMDs. That's still great, and PlayStation fans are potentially in for a real treat. But, Sony haven't flipped the tea table, they haven't delivered a mic drop. They're one step above on a couple of points, on par in many more points, and behind in one or two. That's the reality.
45K PPR, HDR OLED, Wireless, fully PC compatible, all for USD$400.00. That would've been a mic drop. As it is, PSVR2 still sounds really great. Can't wait to try it out.

You come across a little butt hurt about PSVR2 specs being vastly superior (IN MY OPINION) to your favorite headset, tbh. What do you care people think these specs are way better than Quest 2's? It's subjective. Let it go.

 

[kyliethicc]

PS4 VS PS5 is significant

Sure, but not sure how that is relevant?

You come across a little butt hurt about PSVR2 specs being vastly superior (IN MY OPINION) to your favorite headset, tbh. What do you care people think these specs are way better than Quest 2's? It's subjective. Let it go.

Must be a copium shortage.

 

[megreotsugua]

But I hope they’ll release a solution later.

I don't see why not. It's certainly possible with additional accessory.