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Why Sony? Why can't I use my dualshock on PS5 games?

kainslayer

Neo Member
Bullshit move by Sony for the ds4 ,even though I own a ps5 I really really liked ds4 and it survived the abuse , dualsence is a whole other monster which I like the same as a ds4 but corporate greed is corporate greed...surey in couple of years time they will throw an update and say we heard u and become "heroes" again but still very easy fix for the company...it is what it is...for now
 
Its all about the benjamins plain and simple. I guess one can work around this with those usb receivers that lets you use wireless controllers from one system to another. Im not sure if 1 receiver will pair mult controllers or not though.

It’s absolutely about the money. Sony is afraid of the lack of value the DualSense has.
 

assurdum

Banned
Bullshit move by Sony for the ds4 ,even though I own a ps5 I really really liked ds4 and it survived the abuse , dualsence is a whole other monster which I like the same as a ds4 but corporate greed is corporate greed...surey in couple of years time they will throw an update and say we heard u and become "heroes" again but still very easy fix for the company...it is what it is...for now
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So if they want the extra features of the DualSense to more likely to be used, then they need to force the issue.
That would make some sense if you couldn't disable the DualSense Haptics and Adaptive Triggers. So it just seems half-hearted and greedy.
 

mrBandoza

Neo Member
1. They want you to buy new controllers = more money

I think that is the only real reason. And to justify i 2. They want developers to use the new funtions.
 

phil_t98

#SonyToo
1. They want you to buy new controllers = more money

I think that is the only real reason. And to justify i 2. They want developers to use the new funtions.

yeah but the new functions can be turned off so it doesn't really matter if you still use the ps4 controller on ps5 if they allowed it
 
You've got enough buttons already don't be greedy. Also a serious player would be using a mouse.
Nah these kiddies like their controllers because they get super strong aim assist from the game. The game does the aiming for them. No skill involved. Can't ask them to use mouse/keyboard. They get reamed 4 ways to Sunday.
 

sainraja

Member
That would make some sense if you couldn't disable the DualSense Haptics and Adaptive Triggers. So it just seems half-hearted and greedy.
Try thinking a little more critically about this and you'll see why the Dualsense is required (despite being able to turn off the features) — his point is still valid. What you really need to understand (and I know you won't) is that the DS4 is absence of those features, there is no turning them off, it just doesn't have them. Turning them off on the DS5 does not remove them from the controller and the default isn't set to "off" (do some reading about smart defaults or settings that are default and how often people change those).

Agree with their decision or not, but this way, it is almost a guarantee that anyone playing a PS5 game on a PS5 system is going to be using a Dualsense controller, the part that flies over the heads of anyone who says the same thing as you. And saying this move is all about the money is a bit short-sighted and isn't some secret insight that you are revealing; they invested money into creating the controller and want people buying and using it over previous iterations, regardless, when it comes to feature adoption, you have to PUSH for it.
 
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Beechos

Member
Try thinking a little more critically about this and you'll see why the Dualsense is required (despite being able to turn off the features) — his point is still valid. What you really need to understand (and I know you won't) is that the DS4 is absence of those features, there is no turning them off, it just doesn't have them. Turning them off on the DS5 does not remove them from the controller and the default isn't set to "off" (do some reading about smart defaults or settings that are default and how often people change those).

Agree with their decision or not, but this way, it is almost a guarantee that anyone playing a PS5 game on a PS5 system is going to be using a Dualsense controller, the part that flies over the heads of anyone who says the same thing as you. And saying this move is all about the money is a bit short-sighted and isn't some secret insight that you are revealing; they invested money into creating the controller and want people buying and using it over previous iterations, regardless, when it comes to feature adoption, you have to PUSH for it.
 

acidagfc

Member
Wait, wired fightpads/sticks do not work either?

Does this mean that my Logitech wheel won't work in GT7? That would be some grade A bullshit.
 

FrankWza

Member
Agree with their decision or not, but this way, it is almost a guarantee that anyone playing a PS5 game on a PS5 system is going to be using a Dualsense controller
It also includes the most convenient and probably most used way of experiencing Tempest. Coupled with the included mic and mute button that helps ensure people who play online games have a convenient way to communicate and can use their own headphones. Now when you play PS5 games online you know everyone has a mic and devs know they can put effort into features that aren’t diluted by DS4 users.
 

FrankWza

Member
Wait, wired fightpads/sticks do not work either?

Does this mean that my Logitech wheel won't work in GT7? That would be some grade A bullshit.

Officially licensed racing wheels, fight pads/sticks and flight sticks will work. If it was released during PS3 gen it may not but PS4 gen will.
 
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RoboFu

One of the green rats
the new xbox controller isnt being hurt by the old xbox controllers. if anything having them all compatible helps clear the remaining stock. so it has to more about branding and contorlling the measing than money.
 
and I know you won't
You are absolutely right.

Let's just look at it from another perspective. Every PS5 owner already has a Dual Sense.

Who would buy a PS4 controller over a Dual Sense in 2021 when they have the same price? Nobody.

Who would use a PS4 controller instead of his bundled Dual Sense? Nobody.

So who is affected by this lock? The loyal customers. Sony is punishing those who already bought multiple PS4 controllers for couch coop and is devaluating their limited edition controllers.

The main use for a PS4 controller in my opinion is for friends with couch coop games, but the console owner's main controller would still be the Dual Sense.
 
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Tschumi

Member
I'm sure this has been said already but you deserve to hear it again: ps5 games are designed to do things with your triggers and vibration that your dual shock can't do. So it doesn't work.
 
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sainraja

Member
You are absolutely right.

Let's just look at it from another perspective. Every PS5 owner already has a Dual Sense.

Who would buy a PS4 controller over a Dual Sense in 2021 when they have the same price? Nobody.

Who would use a PS4 controller instead of his bundled Dual Sense? Nobody.

So who is affected by this lock? The loyal customers. Sony is punishing those who already bought multiple PS4 controllers for couch coop and is devaluating their limited edition controllers.

The main use for a PS4 controller in my opinion is for friends with couch coop games, but the console owner's main controller would still be the Dual Sense.

1. They are not the same price.
2. People upgrading to the PS5 from a PS4.
3. They want people to play PS5 games with a Dualsense (owner or not).
4. So if nobody would buy a DS4 to play on their PS5 and nobody would use a DS4 instead of the bundled Dualsense, then why are we having this conversation?

They want to push people to use Dualsense (anyone playing) with PS5 games. I mean, you don't have to like it and there are other ways they could have done it but this is how they are doing it. It's just what it is. I am just glad that the Dualsense is a good controller and feels nice with the new features it has. One thing that I was worried about when moving from DS4 to Dualsense was the weight......DS4 was very light and Dualsense didn't add a lot of weight.
 
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1. They are not the same price.
2. People upgrading to the PS5 from a PS4.
3. They want people to play PS5 games with a Dualsense (owner or not).
4. So if nobody would buy a DS4 to play on their PS5 and nobody would use a DS4 instead of the bundled Dualsense, then why are we having this conversation?

They want to push people to use Dualsense (anyone playing) with PS5 games. I mean, you don't have to like it and there are other ways they could have done it but this is how they are doing it. It's just what it is. I am just glad that the Dualsense is a good controller and feels nice with the new features it has. One thing that I was worried about when moving from DS4 to Dualsense was the weight......DS4 was very light and Dualsense didn't add a lot of weight.
They are both ~ 70 bucks in my and other european countries, but we are going in circles. I have not even the slightest doubt that Sony just did this to milk the customers who already bought additional controllers. Most of them will do it again if they have to and Sony knows it. You think differently. That's fine.
 
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KAL2006

Banned
Because they want to make money. It doesn't bother me because my PS5 came with a controller, and I rarely play local multiplayer, if the rare occasion that does happen the other person bring their controller. But I can understand if there was a family of gamers and wanting to play a 4 player local PS5 game when you have so many controller's already this can feel annoying. Anyone know how many local multiplayer PS5 games are out so far?
 

sainraja

Member
They are both ~ 70 bucks in my and other european countries, but we are going in circles. I have not even the slightest doubt that Sony just did this to milk the customers who already bought additional controllers. Of course they will do it again if they have to. You think differently. That's fine.
Yes, we're going in circles and I knew this in my first response (the reason why the "you won't" comment). Saying they did it for the money is just a silly thing to point out. Ofcourse they did it for money. That's the entire reason PlayStation even exists. Sony wants to make money with PlayStation. Isn't it their most profitable business? Not sure why people think this is going to be some dig or way to put down something. Sony and Microsoft aren't running a charity or a non-profit.

They invested money in Dualsense and by making it a requirement for all PS5 games, that is just one way they are ensuring they'll make a return on that investment and guarantee support for it in games. If people want something new with their gaming technology, well you do have to pay for it in some way or form. I think getting developers to support new technology is the KEY reason it is required along with the other reasons mentioned.
 
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RoboFu

One of the green rats
I'm sure this has been said already but you deserve to hear it again: ps5 games are designed to do things with your triggers and vibration that your dual shock can't do. So it doesn't work.
Yes .. all two games.🤣
 

jaysius

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Dual shock 4 was the first good controller they made, they wanted to make money this gen so they introduced a gimmick that they could brainwash people into "needing" so they sacrificed battery life and possible innovation of standard back buttons/paddles for a ton of plastic that fights you when you try and use it. To cement this awful controller they made it mandatory to use it otherwise nobody would buy one.
 

KAL2006

Banned
I'm sure this has been said already but you deserve to hear it again: ps5 games are designed to do things with your triggers and vibration that your dual shock can't do. So it doesn't work.

That's a bullshit excuse as this things can be turned off, hell those extra features don't even work on remoteplay and Sony only allowed Dualshock 4 for remote play for PS5 games until recently. In fact remote play only works with Dualshock 4 with Android 10. So you are required to have both Dualshock 4 and Dualsense if you want to play PS5 games on console and remotely. How does this make sense?
 
Yes, we're going in circles and I knew this in my first response (the reason why the 'you won't comment). Saying they did it for the money is just a silly thing to point out. Ofcourse they did it for money. That's the entire reason PlayStation even exists. Sony wants to make money with PlayStation. Isn't it their most profitable business?

They invested money in Dualsense and by making it a requirement for all PS5 games is one way they are ensuring they'll make a return and guarantee support for it in games.
Beginning a conversation with " i know you won't understand" is an unfair and unreasonable argument in the first place. I and everybody ever having a conversation could use that, but it doesn't make sense. We just have different opinions and that's it. I'm not the only one saying it's all about the money. Maye we are all not intelligent enough to understand your farsightedness, but i have my doubts. That's it from me, have a nice day.
 

Roxkis_ii

Member
I'm sure this has been said already but you deserve to hear it again: ps5 games are designed to do things with your triggers and vibration that your dual shock can't do. So it doesn't work.
Then why can you remote play Ps5 games with a Ds4?

If you can play games remotely with a Ds4, why stop people do it on the system?

If it's about money, couldn't Sony just stop manufacturing Ds4?


Every system comes with a new DS5 controller, so allowing DS4 access shouldn't stop devs from supporting DS5 features.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Read my post in that thread. Of course all games are compatible. That doesn’t mean they use DS specific features. I can only think of two games I’ve played that use haptic in meaningful ways and pressure triggers that are not just basic rumble. 🤷‍♂️
So your statement was trolling through anecdotes. Got it.
 

RoboFu

One of the green rats
When they move to a similar upgrade like the dualsense you can check out if your statement holds. Until then, they’ve basically released the same controller for generations.
Obviously the new DS works with ps4 rumble calls so the opposite wouldn’t be that far fetched. Any haptic specific just translates into solid rumble and just ignore pressure triggers as no dev besides Sony uses those anyway.
 

sainraja

Member
Beginning a conversation with " i know you won't understand" is an unfair and unreasonable argument in the first place. I and everybody ever having a conversation could use that, but it doesn't make sense. We just have different opinions and that's it. I'm not the only one saying it's all about the money. Maye we are all not intelligent enough to understand your farsightedness, but i have my doubts. That's it from me, have a nice day.
I've just had this conversation before and know how it was going to go. And no worries if you don't want to continue since we both made our points but the last thing I will say is, saying it is about the money....is just silly because that part is obvious — it is about money and it is also about support. Just because you develop something does not mean all games will support it 100% but if you can guarantee anyone playing will be using Dualsense, that's a better argument for the two audiences that need to be convinced and not everyone will be (for reasons that should now be obvious) and that is also how Sony can make that 'money' they want.
 
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Dual shock 4 was the first good controller they made, they wanted to make money this gen so they introduced a gimmick that they could brainwash people into "needing" so they sacrificed battery life and possible innovation of standard back buttons/paddles for a ton of plastic that fights you when you try and use it. To cement this awful controller they made it mandatory to use it otherwise nobody would buy one.
The bigger issue is that as far as I know there is no 3rd party Dual Sense controller options either. They own the only store you can buy digital games as well. So it is another area where Sony is the sole provider of something for the PS5. Not sure how other companies can get by allowing customers options for controllers but it would be cool if Sony followed suit. There are better ways to make money than taking away choice from customers.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
The bigger issue is that as far as I know there is no 3rd party Dual Sense controller options either. They own the only store you can buy digital games as well. So it is another area where Sony is the sole provider of something for the PS5. Not sure how other companies can get by allowing customers options for controllers but it would be cool if Sony followed suit. There are better ways to make money than taking away choice from customers.
You just jumped the shark. :pie_roffles:
 

FrankWza

Member
The bigger issue is that as far as I know there is no 3rd party Dual Sense controller options either.
There are and they are more expensive. What would be the point in a dualsense alternative? Saving $5-$10 for lesser quality?
They own the only store you can buy digital games as well. So it is another area where Sony is the sole provider of something for the PS5. Not sure how other companies can get by allowing customers options for controllers but it would be cool if Sony followed suit. There are better ways to make money than taking away choice from customers.
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