vaibhavpisal
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Experts are impressed by One X performance. How it's supposed to be.
Doesn't mean it's "better". Fluctuating frame rate automatically makes it 3rd choice for some.
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[DF] Halo Infinite on Consoles: Xbox Series X/S vs Xbox One S/X - Can Xbox One Run It?
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Experts are impressed by One X performance. How it's supposed to be.
Doesn't mean it's "better". Fluctuating frame rate automatically makes it 3rd choice for some.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Completely false. Series S has higher LOD settings and higher shadow quality. Rock solid 60fps too.
dcmk7
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For some yeh, of course all opinions are different, but think it's quite notable that John believes it to be 2nd best console to play on.
Not to mention the actual article.
dcmk7
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Werewolfgrandma
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I'll let you know how my 3060ti does. Usually is quite a bit above xsx
Md Ray
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Read my post again.
Where did I mention LOD or shadow? Are you aware that texture quality, LOD settings, shadow are three individual settings?
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ethomaz
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False… c’mon.
LOD is better in XB1X and shadow quality is the same.
BTW XB1X LOD quality is the same as Series X.
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Razvedka
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Self evident truth doesn't exist. Fundamental problem plaguing our race, but especially so within the past century.
01011001
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for me too, but not here. 1440p on Series X settings is not hitting a locked 60fps at all.
maybe it's that Tier 2 VRS on Series X doing its magic? but that would be a huge performance boost if true
as it stands on the 3060ti I need to use dynamic 1440p to hold a locked 60fps using Series X settings
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vaibhavpisal
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ethomaz
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You know you need the object to cast shadow, no?Shadows at same location
What you see in that picture is the Shadow on Series S being a bit more blurry due the lower resolution but the quality looks to be the same except the objects in the scene are different.
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Bernd Lauert
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Game is optimized for AMD cards, Nvidia doesn't run well sadly.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Check this video. Object is there with all consoles
And if you are curious, just watch the whole video, then report which version is better.
dcmk7
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ElAnalistaDeBits is a banned source isn't it? But could be wrong.
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ethomaz
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So the guy found a bug.
Because the shadow is not being casting when the object is there.
That is not shadow quality.
Shadow quality looks the same being more blurry in Series S due the lower resolution… that is basically what you see in the video you posted and DF says in the video/article.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Yes.
Neogaf rules.
Doesn't invalidate info in his videos.
As I said, check video. Series S version is better in any situation except sharpness.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
ooof....
This is a direct screen grab from my PC. Given the delay.....why is the lighting so flat now?
Uh oh, get Alex on the case, STAT!
Bernd Lauert
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ooof....
This is a direct screen grab from my PC. Given the delay.....why is the lighting so flat now?
When Anal Bits is a banned source but warriors unironically post videos from King Thrash
ethomaz
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I watched… and I was said is showed.
You are better using the comparison tool here with high quality image instead lower compression video:
Halo Infinite campaign: every console version tested
Halo Infinite is finally available, bringing with it answers to a question we've been pondering ever since the initial …
www.eurogamer.net
PS. Most don't know but DF articles has the comparison tool that helps a lot.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Just my 2 cents John is the best of the group at DF because of his actual love for games and his love for what he does and he didn't mince words, he didn't pick certain scenes he straight states his opinion
As far as lighting its very odd indeed almost to the point it feels like some sort of weird mod
Werewolfgrandma
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Gameplay or the benchmark?
Bernd Lauert
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I watched… and I was said is showed.
You are better using the comparison tool here with high quality image instead lower compression video:
Halo Infinite campaign: every console version tested
Halo Infinite is finally available, bringing with it answers to a question we've been pondering ever since the initial …
PS. Most don't know but DF articles has the comparison tool that helps a lot.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
At times the gamma just feels like its wrong. Its not, but thats how it looks in certain areas. And then others it looks like the color space is off.
I am not sure what is causing that look, obviously other than the lighting, but I feel like jts some sort of technical limitation.
This is exclusive to the open world for me. First two indoor levels looked fine.
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ethomaz
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If you read before post you should know that is one of the case the Series S shows higher texture quality over XB1 X... the shadow quality is the same.
Edit - Just to have it explained.
The description of the cut part of the picture he posted.
"Looking down at a matching spawn point, Series S and X push what appears to be a higher-grade texture than the two last-gen Xbox One machines. Meanwhile, shadows and ambient occlusion take a big jump in quality over the base Xbox One. "
They explained that in the article:
"However, there are some scenarios where Series S appears to have the better of the old machine in assets but even so, Xbox One X is the sharper and cleaner of the two by running at a dynamic 4K. There are examples of actual texture quality - floor mapping at select spawn points - differing between the generations - one that may well favour Series S overall."
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Werewolfgrandma
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So we have better textures, lower bound res, loading and most importantly FPS, but we are arguing over which is the better version?
ethomaz
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You have better textures floor mapping on Series S at selected spawn points (that is what the picture is).
Way better resolution on Xbox One X (even if the ocasional bottom is lower).
And mostly time locked 60fps in both machines with dips on Xbox One X in intense open world battles.
That is what the article and video says.
It says too that the Series S image quality is markedly inferior to Xbox One X plus they praise a lot the performance on Xbox One X with "remarkable" and "very impressive overall" words.
Outside that John said the Xbox One X is a better choice than Series S for that game.
We can wait more data about resolution and framerate like VGTech.
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Md Ray
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Wym? VRR is here to save the day. It will fix those drops on X1X.Riky be happy you now have lots of quotes that higher resolution but much crappier FPS is better. I think that makes most XSX versions far superior to ps5 since it's usually just slightly lower fps.
A working VRR patch must be on its way and will arrive soon.
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Md Ray
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Game favours AMD over NVIDIA. Watch Alex's latest Halo Infinite vid.
Werewolfgrandma
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You could of just agreed. Much less words.
Bernd Lauert
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Looking at the reactions, it's really weird seeing all the Sony boys rooting for the Xbox One X
The warrior's mind is a weird place.
ethomaz
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I find weird you blaming Sony boys instead the lies Xbox boys tried to create up since start of the thread.Looking at the reactions, it's really weird seeing all the Sony boys rooting for the Xbox One X
But of course you do that every time
That should made me wrong.
I choose to post facts instead.
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Werewolfgrandma
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Can you quote 1 lie please.I find weird you blaming Sony boys instead the lies Xbox boys tried to create up since start of the thread.
But of course you do that every time
That should made me wrong.
I choose to post facts instead.
Bernd Lauert
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Not blaming anyone, just making an interesting observation.I find weird you blaming Sony boys instead the lies Xbox boys tried to create up since start of the thread.
But of course you do that every time
ethomaz
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Just search for my previous quotes... the first post in the thread that started all is a lie.
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Lysandros
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No you are not wrong, he is indeed sharing a banned source.
Werewolfgrandma
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This?
Opinion followed by facts ended with opinion. I didn't think having a different opinion means you are lying.
Series S looks better, has a higher resolution floor in performance mode, loads a lot quicker and hold 60fps better.
One X version is good but well behind.
ethomaz
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Yes he is... and he was corrected several times.
Xbox One X looks better and it is actually ahead by Series S... you can read the article or watch the video.
He said Series S has higher settings that is factually incorrect again.
It banned because they faked the gameplay of some platform in others videos (they are using gameplay from another platform to made it feels better in the comparison).
They were caught hidden FPS drops in their videos again to make a platform better.
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Riky
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In both modes the Series S has a better framerate, in 30fps mode you have the framepacing issue on One X, in performance mode you get dips into the forties on One X.
Series S has neither of those issues.
That probably why Tom said in the article the One X version is the minimum way he'd recommend to play.
Werewolfgrandma
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So using screenshots to form an opinion that differs from DF is lying? If that's the case most DF threads are full of lies.
ethomaz
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Trying to made up a narrative against what the article/video said is indeed a lie.
He purposed did that and failed miserably lol
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papersleeves
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I really enjoy Digital Foundry. I've been following their work since the first quarterly comparison article Richard started writing for multiplatform games between the Xbox 360 and the PS3, circa mid 2000s. The thing to remember is that all of this is human observations, backed up with math where applicable. You're analyzing what you are capturing. I'm not sure of all the steps necessary to do so, but counting and eyeballing the images trying to find differences are part of it.
Digital Foundry are experts at doing this, which is no surprise since they've been doing this for more than 15 years. Even so, there have been times where they were wrong. Well, not necessarily wrong in the sense that the data they show is wrong. But more like they sometimes miss some stuff. Or, perhaps, what they are suggesting do not always correspond to what we're viewing in their comparisons.
Like it or hate, there is a case to be made with this picture:
The lack of trees and certain geometries in the Series S picture compared to the Series X prove that the LOD value between these 2 consoles is quite different. On the other hand, you can clearly see that the One X picture does not have nearly as much trees on the foreground or geometries on the mountain in the background versus the Series S version. On this picture, it's hard to argue against the following: Best LOD value is on Series X, followed by Series S and then One X in the last position. Whether Digital Foundry says otherwise is a different matter, on the scenario shown on this picture comparison, you couldn't convince me otherwise just because DF says so. Remember, they're doing their best to paint the portrait and show us the results, but whatever verdict they reach isn't to be considerate as absolute. I distinctively remember one scenario where they were comparing Rise of the Tomb Raider between One X / PC and PS4 Pro and they were showing that scene where Lara is about to grab an artifact in an ancient temple and they were saying that in that screenshot, the PS4 Pro version clearly had less detailed textures, but further testing from GAF community proved that they were wrong and that what we were seeing was the results of dynamic dirt effects on Lara's clothes.
It happens. Doesn't remove their credibility. It's the nature of such analysis. You can't really give an absolute answer unless the developers themselves are stating pure graphical facts.
Digital Foundry are experts at doing this, which is no surprise since they've been doing this for more than 15 years. Even so, there have been times where they were wrong. Well, not necessarily wrong in the sense that the data they show is wrong. But more like they sometimes miss some stuff. Or, perhaps, what they are suggesting do not always correspond to what we're viewing in their comparisons.
Like it or hate, there is a case to be made with this picture:
The lack of trees and certain geometries in the Series S picture compared to the Series X prove that the LOD value between these 2 consoles is quite different. On the other hand, you can clearly see that the One X picture does not have nearly as much trees on the foreground or geometries on the mountain in the background versus the Series S version. On this picture, it's hard to argue against the following: Best LOD value is on Series X, followed by Series S and then One X in the last position. Whether Digital Foundry says otherwise is a different matter, on the scenario shown on this picture comparison, you couldn't convince me otherwise just because DF says so. Remember, they're doing their best to paint the portrait and show us the results, but whatever verdict they reach isn't to be considerate as absolute. I distinctively remember one scenario where they were comparing Rise of the Tomb Raider between One X / PC and PS4 Pro and they were showing that scene where Lara is about to grab an artifact in an ancient temple and they were saying that in that screenshot, the PS4 Pro version clearly had less detailed textures, but further testing from GAF community proved that they were wrong and that what we were seeing was the results of dynamic dirt effects on Lara's clothes.
It happens. Doesn't remove their credibility. It's the nature of such analysis. You can't really give an absolute answer unless the developers themselves are stating pure graphical facts.
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Werewolfgrandma
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The pictures they posted show at the least that DF is not 100% correct. You failed to convince riky lied.
ethomaz
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The opposite... keep reading the thread.
I not only proved and showed actual facts about what happened in his cherry picked picture... it was even easy because DF talking about it pretty clear.
But hey you are a bit late I guess... so read the full thread first and later ask questions... because you are just circling around about topics already discussed.
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Physiognomonics
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Not with higher quality assets.
Bernd Lauert
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According to DF, the difference in asset quality is low. Certainly doesn't explain the vast difference in resolution.
