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Ori Dev Criticizes Microsoft For Creating “Artificial Barriers”
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Matsuchezz
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I guess the most transparent company is not as transparent as they clam to be. Did not Microsoft release halo on disc and it does not contain the full game. You have to connect to the internet to download the last part of the game to run it. Yikes. Something stinks
kyoji
Member
valid point, being "only on playstation" would have included exposure to 100+ million + a probable PC release since most of there 3rd party deals are structured like that anyway, Street fighter V and most recently Kena Bridge spirits come to mind.
Street fighter V is capcoms single most successful (sales wise) entry for the franchise.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Not. Not even slightly.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Exclusives are a nice way for a developer to gain funding and a secure an IP's foothold in the marketplace, just like Moon studios did. Having freedom to go to another publisher, as he states, is part of what makes gaming and free market in business great. As the developer and platform needs change so does your business arrangements.
I guess he forgot about games like Minecraft being available on any platform too and the push of Gamepass Ultimate across Xbox, PC and devices.
Walled gardens are business 101, literally taught at any business school worth a damn. Like it or leave it, he's free to go about his game development how he chooses.
I guess he forgot about games like Minecraft being available on any platform too and the push of Gamepass Ultimate across Xbox, PC and devices.
Walled gardens are business 101, literally taught at any business school worth a damn. Like it or leave it, he's free to go about his game development how he chooses.
kyoji
Member
elaborate, please.
The Scientist
Member
Something tells me this guy thinks his money should stay exclusively in his bank account even though there are families with less money than him.
"The rich need to pay their fare share" says rich progressives who pay the absolute minimum just like everyone else year after year.
"The rich need to pay their fare share" says rich progressives who pay the absolute minimum just like everyone else year after year.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It's the first fucking line
I swear we need to require reading of the OP before the reply button becomes available. There should be a quiz captcha. Instead of finding the dog in a picture, you have to read and write the first line.
Would save people a lot of embarrassment.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Xbox even existing means they will have exclusives. Having inclusive marketing that is referencing day one PC releases, cloud, and gamepass availability doesn't mean Phil has ever implied they will never have exclusives. I can't believe this requires elaboration.
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kyliethicc
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Some stuff he said I agree with, some I disagree with.
Pretty clear he's done working with Microsoft.
Pretty clear he's done working with Microsoft.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
What about all the poor kids on Xbox though? Thats cold.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Ease up Elon.
kyoji
Member
Please re-read the article, specifically the image imbedded which was his post on resetera. You will find the answer in the first four paragraphs. but i do encourage you to read all of it as to why he said what he said.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
This.
are they not
Topher
Gold Member
what did Phil say that was hypocritical? I don’t see the interview linked.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
If anything MS helped set them up to get more support and exposure for their next game.
But bashing the company that helped you isn’t smart for your future business.
But bashing the company that helped you isn’t smart for your future business.
Fare thee well
Neophyte
I'm sorry but the Jaguar mastered 64 bits before anyone else.
/war
/war
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Punished Miku
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I read it. I think its a stupid rant. Any platform holder putting their games on the competitors system is ending their platform. This is what Sega did after failing and going third party.
The guy sounds like he's the most naive idealist of all time and barely understands the most basic aspects of the business he's in. And he's embarrassing himself for REE points talking about all games should be on every platform for the children.
If you disagree thats totally okay with me, but I think it was a bizarre and embarrassing rant. Not the end of the world.
kyoji
Member
its in his reset era post, hes referring to comments phil has splashed about in the past with various media outlets about having xbox games available everywhere but then not doing it, possibly because nintendo and sony arent playing ball.
The whole problem with this situation is, Nintendo nor Sony have advocated for this in the public but MS has, and so now it seems like a conflict of interest.
In other words are you just saying things cause you can and it makes you appear to be in a better light? or will u back it up?
If this is truely your vision you dont need the other two to make a move first.
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kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
He's just calling out a company on their nonsense messaging. As far as I know, every platform holder is guilty of it, console or otherwise. Name one major player in the gaming industry that doesn't do this doublespeak... I'll wait.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I love Ori too and it makes me sad to learn one of the main people behind such beloved games is a narcissistic, ungrateful and entitled asshole.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yep. I always thought the whole EVERYONE must enable crossplay talk from MS was very unethical from a business point of view. Good for gamers, but the console business and especially the online gaming business pioneered by Xbox Live is built around the profits generated by XBL and PS+ subs, digital store purchases, and third party royalties. Every gamer who gets to crossplay with his friend on Playstation is a lost $60 PS+ sub a year, a lost $6-18 revenue on every copy sold, and hundreds more on microtransactions. Sony takes a loss on every console sold just so they can sell more and generate a big enough userbase for their online players then MS comes in with their $300 console DEMANDING they have access to that userbase? The nerve lmao.
We actually know that gamers who buy consoles in the first year spend $1,700 on average. $700 for late adopters. It was in one of Sony's slides. Assuming 30% of that goes to Sony, that's almost $200-600 of lost revenue per customer. When we are talking about tens of millions of customers, this shit adds up.
Walled garden is the only reason why these guys take a massive loss on consoles. MS included. It's their entire business model. It's how MS became the hardcore darling in the early 360 era after Sony dropped the ball with the PS3 launch. Bioshock, Mass Effect, Oblivion, Gears, Halo back to back to back. Sony never stood a chance. They invested in those exclusives to ensure people bought those consoles. XBL was light years ahead of PSN back in the early days of the PS3. It was THE reason to own an xbox. Just like Gamepass is today.
The day MS, Sony and Nintendo collude to have a one console future, we are going to end up with fewer risky AAA titles, underpowered consoles that are sold for a profit, and every single game turns into the next BF 2042, the next Cod Vanguard, and the next Assassins Creed live service game. And MS isnt spending $7.5 billion on Zenimax for sure. Phil just needs to put his head down and keep at it. He's on the right track. No more dumb statements like this. Success will follow.
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tusharngf
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When ORI game came out there was only a handful of xbox exclusives. Microsoft lost all its momentum after 2011 when they launched kinect. They got it back in 2019 to some extent by acquiring teams and just now they released some games. Its been 10 years with no good games on xbox platform. I think Phil can port games to playstation but he wants to expand his brand as well. I am no fan of exclusive games and really want all games on all platforms so everyone can enjoy them.
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Punished Miku
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That is the end of even having multiple platforms so thats literally impossible.
Kacho
Gold Member
This dude is always putting his foot in his mouth. A few months back he got called out for saying CDPR and Hello Games are snake oil salesmen, something he later apologized for.
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DeepEnigma
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I mean, their slogan literally is “play anywhere” and “no gamer should be left behind” … it’s almost as these PR (programming relations) are to trigger an emotional response and create buzz in the Great War. Just like “for the gamers” received so much mental gymnastics as well.
But I digress.
As for the OP, they’re exclusives with exclusive contracts. Or “moneyhat” depending if it’s the opposite brand doing it or not.
This is all part of the entertainment industry paradigm.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Is that their slogan lol? And do they ever talk about no gamer being left behind? I've never seen that lol.
Sony says play has no limits but only a moron would think that means they are giving up all their exclusives.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yep. There is nothing wrong with MS going third party. We have long hoped for Nintendo going third party, well, why not MS? They apparently have never made a profit off of their consoles according to their exec at the Apple vs Epic Games trial. So if they are struggling and want to sell their games to the remaining 100 million users then by all means, go third party. I think I know why they are not going third party. It's because they cant sell gamepass if they go third party. If they dont have their own walled garden.
The problem is that MS is no longer a software company. They are a services company. They want everything to be a service. Fucking MS office is a service. The worst part is that they are wildly successful which means they have stopped innovating. I mean they have Azure but who gives a shit about the cloud if you are not an enterprise solution. Definitely not your average consumer. And this service model simply cant excite gamers who want games first and foremost.
And thats why the execs have their bonuses tied to gamepass subs instead of game sales. or game metacritic or GOTY awards. They dont get that gamers want games. Not services. It's a shame because Phil has done a remarkable job building a collection of studios with a lot of potential. Flight sim, Psychonauts, Dishonored, Forza and Halo in 5 months is incredible production from MS published studios. He should be proud of their output but his bonus and probably his job is tied to subs and market penetration and there is no way in hell Sony and Nintendo would ever let them penetrate anything.
Thomas is right. MS or rather Phil is between a rock and a hard place. He is doing things the way traditional console makers have done, but clearly he's receiving a lot of pressure internally to do more. Otherwise i dont see why he makes these comments. MS cannot compete with Apple and even Google when it comes to creating innovative software, when was the last time you used a Microsoft app on your phone or watch or even in your car? But Phil has ensured they can finally compete with Sony and Nintendo when it comes to creating AAA exclusives. It sucks that that might not be good enough for Microsoft.
kyoji
Member
you do realize MINECRAFT was a thing before MS had any involvement right? and yes that includes probably being accessible to play by anything that could run it. This is a horrible example to use for something that was going to be available everywhere anyway
DaGwaphics
Member
You don't even need an Xbox to play Halo as it is. You can use your PS controller to play it on a Chromebook. How are they not making their software more accessible than anyone else?
I'm sure they will fund games from 3rd parties for GP, and these will release on PS. There would still be a benefit for MS in that instance. Clearly that wasn't the arrangement that existed with Ori.
Mattyp
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He’s only spiel has and always been games on xbox capable devices. It’s mind blowing people can’t see what that means, want to play on PC? Sure no worries. Phone? Yep. All these platforms allow the xbox ecosystem. Not once have he ever entertained putting Microsoft exclusives on PlayStation.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Their “play anywhere*” program…
*pc and xbox mainly and majority only
And the left behind was here, and I seen several use that phrase in a several thread the past few months when warring, like they collect a paycheck each time they repeat it.
Gaming Without Boundaries: Our Vision for the Future of Xbox - Xbox Wire
E3 has always been a very important event for TEAM XBOX. Over the years, we’ve used our E3 briefing to announce blockbuster games from franchises like Halo and Gears of War, Xbox Live platform features, including Xbox One Backward Compatibility and the New Xbox One Experience, and much more...
news.xbox.com
“Gaming without boundaries” is another.
And I agree about the Sony ones as well. Short slogans not backed up by context, which taken in slogan form is utter bullshit, lol.
But they’re parroted. Rabble rabble.
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Punished Miku
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Trust me. They can see lol. Everyone knows what he meant except maybe that Ori guy who actually seems genuinely clueless.
Halo is Back
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Some smooth brain takes in here. Just because Phil said he wanted Xbox games more available to more gamers does not mean MS will release games on thier direct competitor's machine. MS has absolutely lived up to Phil's words. GamePass, X-cloud, and Xbox games on PC. The barrier to accessing Xbox games is easier than ever. To assert the fact thier games are not on PS is somehow "hypocritical" is fucking laughable. I can now play Halo with my buddies who primarily play on PC and that's fucking awesome.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
Without technical boundaries. Hes talking about PC, cloud and phone through the app. Just read it. I did a few min ago.Their “play anywhere*” program…
*pc and xbox mainly and majority only
And the left behind was here, and I seen several use that phrase in a several thread the past few months when warring, like they collect a paycheck each time they repeat it.
Gaming Without Boundaries: Our Vision for the Future of Xbox - Xbox Wire
E3 has always been a very important event for TEAM XBOX. Over the years, we’ve used our E3 briefing to announce blockbuster games from franchises like Halo and Gears of War, Xbox Live platform features, including Xbox One Backward Compatibility and the New Xbox One Experience, and much more...
“Gaming without boundaries” is another.
And I agree about the Sony ones as well. Short slogans not backed up by context, which taken in slogan form is utter bullshit, lol.
But they’re parroted. Rabble rabble.
Hmm, you do know Microsoft has made more gaming revenue than Nintendo for the last 2/3 q's?
Topher
Gold Member
Ah....ok. Yeah, Spencer has had a bad habit of getting on his soapbox and being high and mighty in the past. Wasn't sure if this was something new.
Still airing this out probably is not the wisest move this guy ever made. Lots of glass houses around these parts....
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
We know what he’s talking about, obviously. Hence why I mentioned, without context. Doesn’t make those short slogans any more noble than 8 years of Sony ones that got shit on and ridiculed “outside of the same context” as well.
That’s why I said, they’re only designed to trigger emotional responses in the great war at the end of the day. Slogans shouted by the internet faithful, lol.
It’s literally this meme when it comes to green vs blue,
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Unknown?
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How does that solve PR BS which is what this dev is pointing out?
remember_spinal
Banned
This guys dumb but only because he’s taking phil Spencer (a business man for a 2 trillion dollar company) for his word.
Also the steamdeck is about to launch and it won’t have exclusives so if phil Spencer/microsoft really wanted to do it they could. Gamepass alone should be enough to sell games on their platforms.
They won’t do that though because they’re hypocrites
Also the steamdeck is about to launch and it won’t have exclusives so if phil Spencer/microsoft really wanted to do it they could. Gamepass alone should be enough to sell games on their platforms.
They won’t do that though because they’re hypocrites
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Punished Miku
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The slogans are stupid. For sure.We know what he’s talking about, obviously. Hence why I mentioned, without context. Doesn’t make those short slogans any more noble than 8 years of Sony ones that got shit on and ridiculed “outside of the same context” as well.
That’s why I said, they’re only designed the trigger emotional responses in the great war at the end of the day.
It’s literally this meme when it comes to green vs blue,
But he was actually talking about real things that are the backbone of their whole strategy this gen. Cloud being available on my phone is a real thing right now. And Gamepass subs being a relatively new distribution model is new. And purchases counting for PC and Xbox with cross saves is a real thing. Investing in BC is a barrier broken as well that is a real difference this generation.
He rants a little bit but he was actually talking about the product they have rolled out.
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