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The most popular game console on Black Friday 2021 isn't the PlayStation 5 — it's the $300 Xbox Series S (due to availability)

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Stuart360

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I dont know why people keep comparing the XSS to the OneX. The OneX is a premium version of the XB1, the XSS is a budget vesion of XSX. The OneX was designed to run last gen games at a higher resolution, the XSS is designed to run current gen games at a lower resolution. Both consoles are doing exactly what they were designed to do.
Only one of the consoles is running next gen games. And within another year or so the OneX wont even be getting games anymore.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Ok let me make this easier....

Someone commented that the Series S is better than all previous gen consoles in everyway and my response to that was "that isn't true because it does not have a feature (4K) that a previous gen consoles has.

Holy crap ... I am done with this thread :messenger_grinning_smiling:

So you make a disingenuous statement and bail from the thread. Ok.

The console wasn't designed to run at 4K. But it runs those games from the past gen better than the previous gen console is able to.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
If it's the best-selling game console for BF, and still in stock, why are you so mad about Series S's sales and not more concerned with how shit supply is for Sony and apparently Nintendo?

Also, what about all the months Switch was outselling PS5 while also being readily available? Does that mean Switch wasn't selling?
There's nothing to be mad about. It says it in the article but whenever someone mentions it, you guys call it downplaying.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Looking at Amazon best selling list I think PS5 & Switch might have something to say about this when the numbers come out.

Everyone’s a master of stock. Until when it comes to the one retail platform where the Series S wasn’t in stock for Black Friday.

Here you go:

 

kingfey

Banned
what does Sony have that's genuinely new?
These are the new IPs Sony did in the last gen. Horizon series, spiderman, ghost of Tsushima, Detroit becomes human, days gone, death stranded.

Now they did returnal, and are getting wolverine.

That is just new series Playstation managed to make in the last gen. All ms did was sea of theives as a new IP.

This gen is where the new acquisition will make new IP for them. As of now, only Psychonauts 2 is new IP for xbox (1st one was before purchase).
 

kingfey

Banned
Ok let me make this easier....

Someone commented that the Series S is better than all previous gen consoles in everyway and my response to that was "that isn't true because it does not have a feature (4K) that a previous gen consoles has.

Holy crap ... I am done with this thread :messenger_grinning_smiling:
We exposed your hypocripsy easily.

You claimed Series S is weaker than old gen, when those console cant freaking do 120fps. Has garbage slow speed, and 4k is tied to 30fps.

How the hell do we take your words seriously after that?
 

Kagey K

Banned
Lots of acrobats, pretzels and salt in here for some reason. 🤔
There’s lots of Series S sitting on shelves, because nobody wants them…..Well of course it’s the best selling it’s the only one on shelves……and repeat. 🤪

Like somehow all these people were forced to buy them at gunpoint.

Looks like a pile of new Gamepass customers incoming, is my takeaway from it.
 
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MaulerX

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You just made my point in response to the person I was directing it too.

The Series S can't do what a console that was released in 2017 (previous gen) can do, that was the point. If you go back and read the comment I was responding to, you would have a better understanding of the context of the comment.



Never said anything about FPS or that anyone preferred 4K to 1080p.

I simply said the Xbox Series S can't do what a console from the previous gen can do in response to someone saying other wise.

People need to stop taking comments about the Series S as personally attacks its ridiculous you are not being paid by MS to push Series S sales.



You keep talking about and accusing people of getting paid by MS. Typical psychological response from someone projecting. Perhaps you're the one being paid by Sony? 🤔

And no, you have no clue what you are talking about. If the Series S was designed to run base Xbox One games it would easily do it in 4K at double or triple the framerate. But that's not what it was designed for. It was designed to run Xbox Series X games at lower resolution. Really not that hard to comprehend.
 
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Pull n Pray

Banned
I think this is a bit misleading… they’re selling as many PS5’s and Series X’s as they can make
It says in the title and the quote that it's due to availability. So how is that misleading?
Black Friday weekend, still in stock here in the UK.
I'm curious, what does Black Friday mean to people outside of the US? How long has it been a thing? Do people relate it to the American holiday Thanksgiving? Is it always the Friday after the 4th Thursday of November?
 

On Demand

Banned
Xbox 1 sold 1.2M in November 2014 when MS did a fire sale price drop to compete with PS4. It obviously didn’t amount to anything overall.

I hope people aren’t using this data, with no numbers by the way, about the least popular system with the least popular model with the most availability out of all consoles as some validation comeback story.
 

FlyyGOD

Member
There’s lots of Series S sitting on shelves, because nobody wants them…..Well of course it’s the best selling it’s the only one on shelves……and repeat. 🤪

Like somehow all these people were forced to buy them at gunpoint.

Looks like a pile of new Gamepass customers incoming, is my takeaway from it.
Anchovies are sitting on shelves. I don't see people running out in droves to buy them. People don't go out and buy stuff unless there is a demand for them.
 
Xbox 1 sold 1.2M in November 2014 when MS did a fire sale price drop to compete with PS4. It obviously didn’t amount to anything overall.

I hope people aren’t using this data, with no numbers by the way, about the least popular system with the least popular model with the most availability out of all consoles as some validation comeback story.

You are right. But the way people talk about Xbox/Gamepass seems different than during XB1 era. There is more excitement and energy around the brand. A strong holiday season can turn Gamepass into a household name/brand and if everybody knows what it is and is talking about it then you will start to see exponential growth. I think they could be at 30 million subs by the end of the year.

Just like motion controls took off with the Wii, or the novelty of using a switch as a handheld or home console, "Netflix for games" excites consumers. People really love Gamepass. And now that kids are getting vaccinated and will be spending time with their friends and cousins this holiday this may be the moment where Gamepass goes mainstream. Playing games together on the same couch with friends and family is the best marketing.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Everyone’s a master of stock. Until when it comes to the one retail platform where the Series S wasn’t in stock for Black Friday.

Here you go:

This really proves the stock related issue

PlayStation 5 was in-stock Saturday from 2:03PM - 2:10PM and again from 2:12PM - 2:21PM while the Xbox Series S was in-stock nearly all week long.




The Xbox Series X was in-stock Friday from 5:11PM -5:19PM
 

Stuart360

Member
Xbox 1 sold 1.2M in November 2014 when MS did a fire sale price drop to compete with PS4. It obviously didn’t amount to anything overall.

I hope people aren’t using this data, with no numbers by the way, about the least popular system with the least popular model with the most availability out of all consoles as some validation comeback story.
Man this post comes across so cringe and salty, Jesus dude.
Amyway read the thread, the vast majority of people are saying it happened because of the availability of XSS compared to the rest.
 
According to Nowinstock, Amazon hasn’t had the Series S in stock except for a couple of windows between Nov 20 and Nov 22nd.

So you’ve clearly gone off the wrong tangent here 😂

I guess it’s the Effort that counts.
Except the PS5 wasn't in stock there except for the 23rd when I posted those numbers. The point is, sure the XSS is selling the most on the actual Friday of BF, only because it's the only one in stock. But, that doesn't mean it's winning BF week. Or November for that matter. People are reaching.

Going by the Bestsellers list, it looks like PS5 outsold XSX/S nearly 2:1 for BF week. We'll have to wait til NPD to see what the story is for other retailers.
 
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Fafalada

Fafracer forever
I'm curious, what does Black Friday mean to people outside of the US?
Nothing - it's 100% retailer/marketing invention - basically like "Prime Day" but with more than one retailer participating.
I suppose being a month away from christmas is close enough for some people to see it as a good opportunity to buy early presents, and retailers take advantage of that.

How long has it been a thing? Do people relate it to the American holiday Thanksgiving? Is it always the Friday after the 4th Thursday of November?
Best I can tell it first started 5-6 years ago - at least in Germany that's when it first appeared in ads. I suspect most people don't even know what Thanksgiving is, let alone that it relates to a sales 'holiday'. And it's coordinated to align with US retail/holiday - so whenever it happens there.
 
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Not if they had just released a $400 digital x which is what I was saying.

would have been even easier and no doubt if they made the digital x. Maybe those series x games wouldn’t have some of those bugs?

Hell no! I thought gamepass was $1 a month and it was actually $1 for 3 years(.03 cents a month) I thought the subscriber numbers would be over 30 million and I was over by 40%(only 21 million) I thought the s and gamepass was the best value in gaming and here they are sitting on shelves on the biggest shopping weekend of the year. And I also thought the series s would be discontinued within 2 years and then Microsoft decided to gimp series x production for their servers and made a ton of s consoles available within the same quarter they released 2 flagship titles. I’m wrong a lot.
In this reality they released a $300 XSS so whatever you imagine is still wrong. There is no evidence that a digital $400 XSX would be smarter than a $300 XSS especially when the goal is to get people to sign up for Game pass and to make it easier for people to get into the Xbox ecosystem.

The $300 XSS is also far easier to manufacture and supply but of course some people mistakenly think that because you can buy something no one is buying it which is a complete fallacy. A $400 system also would have been more expensive for MS AND the customer. Sounds like a horrible idea. Glad you weren't asked.

Not surprisingly you are STILL wrong about the Game pass deal. You never mention that you already have to have 3 years of XLG before you can convert it to game pass so you are orders of magnitude off. Oh well one day you'll figure it out but at least you know how often you are wrong though. Perhaps you would be better off sticking to Sony threads seeing how your batting 0 on Xbox info.
But that's more expensive than the Series S... The Series S' price point is what's going to help it continue to sell well as the gen goes on and the Series X and PS5 refuse to drop in price.
Don't mind Frank he's acknowledged he doesn't know what he is talking about. He likes to post in Xbox threads for fun, so best to ignore what ever he is saying.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Nothing - it's 100% retailer/marketing invention - basically like "Prime Day" but with more than one retailer participating.
I suppose being a month away from christmas is close enough for some people to see it as a good opportunity to buy early presents, and retailers take advantage of that.


Best I can tell it first started 5-6 years ago - at least in Germany that's when it first appeared in ads. I suspect most people don't even know what Thanksgiving is, let alone that it relates to a sales 'holiday'. And it's coordinated to align with US retail/holiday - so whenever it happens there.

Black Friday has been going on since the 80s. The term refers to the first day of the year (the day after Thanksgiving) when retailers are finally in the "black" after operating at a loss for most of the year.
 
There's nothing to be mad about. It says it in the article but whenever someone mentions it, you guys call it downplaying.

It's not the article's fault a lot of people are otherwise using that specific info point and turning it into a talking point to "remind" people of something they don't need to be reminded of, because the truth is most people quoting it are doing so to play down the fact Series S has sold as well as it did this Black Friday.

These are the new IPs Sony did in the last gen. Horizon series, spiderman, ghost of Tsushima, Detroit becomes human, days gone, death stranded.

Now they did returnal, and are getting wolverine.

That is just new series Playstation managed to make in the last gen. All ms did was sea of theives as a new IP.

This gen is where the new acquisition will make new IP for them. As of now, only Psychonauts 2 is new IP for xbox (1st one was before purchase).

Those are also games Sony made for PS4; we're talking about the current-generation systems here, no? So why are you bringing up the older releases for 8th-gen systems? Some of those games aren't even recent releases.

Mentioned Returnal already as one of the only new IP they made which was successful this gen (so far; albeit the gen has just started but point still stands). You also conveniently forgot to mention Destruction All-Stars, and if you're just focusing on new IP from them over the years you also forgot The Tomorrow Children, The Last Guardian (well, it's "part" of the Ico/SoTC series but doesnn't have any strong story or game mechanic ties to them), Driveclub, The Order 1886 etc. Wonder why, could it have something to do with the fact that despite those being new IP they either failed or started off horribly, negating the idea that a game needs to be a "new IP" in order to be good?

MS had a lot of other new IP last gen; Crimson Dragon, Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Sea of Thieves, ReCore etc. Were some of these flawed? Of course. Did some, like Sea of Thieves, get a lot better over time? Yes. Did MS do less new IP overall than Sony? Yes. But you already know the circumstances that came out which caused that to occur, I'm just here to remind you they did a lot more than just Sea of Thieves as a new IP last gen.

And again, where is this energy for Nintendo? How many brand new, genuinely new IP have they made over the past five or so years? Not very many; most of their games are spinoffs of established IP brands or sequels. Their E3 conference was 90% sequels and spin-offs, but they still had the 2nd-best conference of the summer behind Microsoft's. People seem to be fine with Nintendo releasing mostly sequels and spinoffs, so why is it so bad if MS leaned a bit more on established IP last gen? Why would a publisher NOT lean on established IP, when we know you can still innovate with them to keep them fresh, and keep them high-quality?

We're seeing that right now from Microsoft with Flight Sim, Forza Horizon 5, and Halo Infinite. The new IP have trickled along, and more will come. Considering some of the absolute biggest hyped rumors surrounding PlayStation new games is WRT franchise revivals (MGS, Silent Hill) and sequels, I think you should just put away the idea that a company needs to keep hitting with new IP to be good. And even so, if you've kept up with any of the Microsoft leaks, most of the projects their studios are working on currently are new IP. In fact, they seem to have more new IP coming over the next three years than Sony and Nintendo.

Lastly, are you really counting Wolverine as a new IP? I think you should hold off on that claim until we learn how the game design and game mechanics function, because if it turns out to be structurally the same as the Spider-Man games, just with Wolverine and Wolverine/X-Men characters and such locales, then I think considering it a new IP would be a bit of a stretch.

I've been out of things for a while, so, what is it with the anti-MS sentiment on this board?

The usual anti-Americanism, and thin justification for piracy, or is it something different this time around?

avin

Microsoft was the whipping dog last gen due to disastrous reveal and losing steam around late 2015 in terms of big-impact games.

A lot of the same people still trying to find ways to downplay their recent success, were also ridiculing them last gen and asked them to be "more competitive".

What they apparently really wanted was Microsoft to appear they were being more competitive without actually being more competitive.

Microsoft is now providing genuine competition; the Zenimax acquisition made a lot of the people "wanting" (but not really wanting) MS to be competitive to regret saying it, now that they know MS are actually trying this generation.

Ever since, they have been finding every way to coyly downplay any good news WRT Microsoft and Xbox brand, even when there is no legitimate room for criticism (MS have made some mistakes this gen so far but not nearly as much as some of the people who hate them would like to think).

Rinse and repeat.

Also, I don't know if any of it is "anti-American"; that's probably a bit of a stretch. I think it's more because they're used to one platform holder always being the "bad" one and they got so used to Microsoft being that one last gen, they aren't ready to entertain a possible reality where they are no longer the "bad" one, or where Sony and/or Nintendo might end up being the "bad" one, or where there is no longer a "bad" one.

Xbox 1 sold 1.2M in November 2014 when MS did a fire sale price drop to compete with PS4. It obviously didn’t amount to anything overall.

I hope people aren’t using this data, with no numbers by the way, about the least popular system with the least popular model with the most availability out of all consoles as some validation comeback story.


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DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
It's not the article's fault a lot of people are otherwise using that specific info point and turning it into a talking point to "remind" people of something they don't need to be reminded of, because the truth is most people quoting it are doing so to play down the fact Series S has sold as well as it did this Black Friday.
This thread is about the console performance during Black Friday. As soon as people point out why the Xbox Series S sold more, you guys don't want to hear it and you just want to accuse people of downplaying. Facts are often hard to accept around here.
 

MrA

Banned
I've been out of things for a while, so, what is it with the anti-MS sentiment on this board?

The usual anti-Americanism, and thin justification for piracy, or is it something different this time around?

avin
sony are sony fanboys that hate xbox, some are nintendo fanboys that also hate xbox (though I think this is a smaller group than group a) , some are graphics snobs that hate the notion of a lower-spec console doing well, a few are probably physical media fanboys that hate an all digital future (not going to lie this group I sympathise with as I love physical media, but I don't think the xss is any real threat to that)
oh and people that irrationally hate game pass
me personally, I think the xss is a pretty nice product, the 10 gb ram is a concern and I don't like the lack of a disk drive but if you want access to 90% of the latest games (okay I don't ps and nintendo exclusive are 10% of games, but 10% of decent games is what I"m getting at) the xss is great, especially paired with game pass.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
I think Sony missed a trick by not having a PS5 Series S of their own. Imagine how many consoles they wouldve sold had they launched with a console with 1/3rd the tflops. 3.33 tflops, same cpu, same ssd. $299. Actually, with the XSS pretty much offering 1/4th the performance of the XSX, Sony couldve built a 2.5 tflops console pairing it with a zen 2 cpu and still wouldve had a next gen console offering 1080p performance.

Big miscalculation by Jim Ryan. Hopefully next gen, they will release a 10 tflops SKU alongside their 40 tflops next gen premium console for all the 1080p owners.
 
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kingfey

Banned
I think Sony missed a trick by not having a PS5 Series S of their own. Imagine how many consoles they wouldve sold had they launched with a console with 1/3rd the tflops. 3.33 tflops, same cpu, same ssd. $299. Actually, with the XSS pretty much offering 1/4th the performance of the XSX, Sony couldve built a 2.5 tflops console pairing it with a zen 2 cpu and still wouldve had a next gen console offering 1080p performance.

Big miscalculation by Jim Ryan. Hopefully next gen, they will release a 10 tflops SKU alongside their 40 tflops next gen premium console for all the 1080p owners.
Sony is perfectionist. They want everything to be high class.

Their direction seems to be the apple way. Offer high quality products, which people will spend tons of money.

People are spending 70$ on their 1st party games, without a question.

Xss console like would hinder that progress.
 
I think Sony missed a trick by not having a PS5 Series S of their own. Imagine how many consoles they wouldve sold had they launched with a console with 1/3rd the tflops. 3.33 tflops, same cpu, same ssd. $299. Actually, with the XSS pretty much offering 1/4th the performance of the XSX, Sony couldve built a 2.5 tflops console pairing it with a zen 2 cpu and still wouldve had a next gen console offering 1080p performance.

Big miscalculation by Jim Ryan. Hopefully next gen, they will release a 10 tflops SKU alongside their 40 tflops next gen premium console for all the 1080p owners.
Not at all. Sony and MS are doing slightly different things. MS wants as many customers as they can get and don't care if those customers are on console, PC, cloud, or mobile phones. They even support ways for their last generation hardware to get new games. They know their console sales alone aren't going to be enough. Sony doesn't have that problem and pretty much went all in consoles. Sony is also coming off a very successful last generation. So they can stick to the traditional console model. They doing different things to reach their target audience. It's OK for them to each go their own path. Both will be successful.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Xbox 1 sold 1.2M in November 2014 when MS did a fire sale price drop to compete with PS4. It obviously didn’t amount to anything overall.

I hope people aren’t using this data, with no numbers by the way, about the least popular system with the least popular model with the most availability out of all consoles as some validation comeback story.

Take a cue from the others here. They’re at least trying to be subtle about their console warring. You’ve jumped in with the subtlety of a hippo 😂
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Anchovies are sitting on shelves. I don't see people running out in droves to buy them. People don't go out and buy stuff unless there is a demand for them.
If people are shopping for a XSX as a gift and it's not in stock but the xss is in stock... it's very likely the are walking out with the xss.
 
Xbox 1 sold 1.2M in November 2014 when MS did a fire sale price drop to compete with PS4. It obviously didn’t amount to anything overall.

I hope people aren’t using this data, with no numbers by the way, about the least popular system with the least popular model with the most availability out of all consoles as some validation comeback story.

It's more about GP subscribers than hardware numbers now.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
This thread is about the console performance during Black Friday. As soon as people point out why the Xbox Series S sold more, you guys don't want to hear it and you just want to accuse people of downplaying. Facts are often hard to accept around here.

Sony has sold 13.5 million PS5 consoles vs 8 million Xbox Series consoles. While the PS5 is undoubtedly more popular, the gap would be much narrower if both parties were producing consoles at the same rate.

Nobody here has had issues with praising Sony’s supply chain expertise for being able to make more consoles than the competition despite launching a week later. In the same vein, it’s only right to give MS props for their strategy to launch with a lower cost alternative that’s allowed for significant stock availability for the holiday shopping period.
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
The switch had over 5 years of production and has most of its potential audience already supplied. Next.
That’s not how it works sorry, its yearly sales are not plateuing. It is currently selling insane numbers, more than any last gen console from Sony or Microsoft did. But it’s still sat on shelves everywhere.

Just for the pea brains as well, I’ll let you in on a secret. There will come a time soon where even the PS5 and Series X are sat on store shelves/in stock online. That doesn’t mean they aren’t popular.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Sony has sold 13.5 million PS5 consoles vs 8 million Xbox Series consoles. While the PS5 is undoubtedly more popular, the gap would be much narrower if both parties were producing consoles at the same rate.

Nobody here has had issues with praising Sony’s supply chain expertise for being able to make more consoles than the competition despite launching a week later. In the same vein, it’s only right to give MS props for their strategy to launch with a lower cost alternative that’s allowed for significant stock availability for the holiday shopping period.
1. The article is about US retailers.
2. This is only during black friday
3. There's enough evidence to suggest that the XSS was in-stock more than the PS5 during this period.
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
This thread is about the console performance during Black Friday. As soon as people point out why the Xbox Series S sold more, you guys don't want to hear it and you just want to accuse people of downplaying. Facts are often hard to accept around here.
And you have the cheek to cry about therapy sessions in the last of us 2 threads :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: If the Series S has sold the most, that is the only fact. Any why, ifs, buts and maybes are all speculation. It makes me laugh that you don’t even know what a fact is.
 
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Fafalada

Fafracer forever
Black Friday has been going on since the 80s. The term refers to the first day of the year (the day after Thanksgiving) when retailers are finally in the "black" after operating at a loss for most of the year.
The question was about what it means outside of US, where Thanksgiving doesn't exist.
But interesting to know BF is relatively recent in the US too.
 

Rykan

Member
That’s not how it works sorry, its yearly sales are not plateuing. It is currently selling insane numbers, more than any last gen console from Sony or Microsoft did. But it’s still sat on shelves everywhere.

Just for the pea brains as well, I’ll let you in on a secret. There will come a time soon where even the PS5 and Series X are sat on store shelves/in stock online. That doesn’t mean they aren’t popular.
Yeah that is how it works, sorry. Its most dedicated userbase has already been supplied which means that the current audience interested in switch aren't hammering away at websites or camping in front of stores for new supply.

You also conveniently ignored the part where the switch has been producing for 5 years already. It's telling that you want to compare it to the regular switch but not the switch oled, which actually is sold out.

There will be a time when the PS5 and SX will be on shelves: When there's no chipshortage anymore. But there currently is a chipshortage.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Sony fanboys are pathetic. We've already had a good taste of what arrogant Sony has in place for us under Uncle Jim. Do you really think a Sony without competition is in the consumer's interests?

If Xbox One had been more competitive last gen, we wouldn't have £70 1st party games.

You could say that about any company that has no competition. But that isn't what is being said at all. Weird take.
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
Yeah that is how it works, sorry. Its most dedicated userbase has already been supplied which means that the current audience interested in switch aren't hammering away at websites or camping in front of stores for new supply.

You also conveniently ignored the part where the switch has been producing for 5 years already. It's telling that you want to compare it to the regular switch but not the switch oled, which actually is sold out.

There will be a time when the PS5 and SX will be on shelves: When there's no chipshortage anymore. But there currently is a chipshortage.
Switch Oled is in stock in the UK.

If they sold 15-20m year 1, and sold 15-20m year 5; I’m confused as to what your point is? Does it matter if a hardcore Nintendo fan is buying one or a 80 year old grandmother?
 
Sony has sold 13.5 million PS5 consoles vs 8 million Xbox Series consoles. While the PS5 is undoubtedly more popular, the gap would be much narrower if both parties were producing consoles at the same rate.

Nobody here has had issues with praising Sony’s supply chain expertise for being able to make more consoles than the competition despite launching a week later. In the same vein, it’s only right to give MS props for their strategy to launch with a lower cost alternative that’s allowed for significant stock availability for the holiday shopping period.
That really does seem to be narrative here. I've seen plenty praise Sony for getting a higher chip allocation, which lead to many more PS5's being available early on. MS using much of their Series X stock to build out server blades for game streaming only made things even worse for availability.

I've seen several people praise Sony and even Jim Ryan for putting so many PS5's out there given the circumstances. Not once, have I seen anyone here criticize them for it (Which would be wrong), or claim it only sold so well due to the Series X being in such short supply. (Which would also be wrong)

Yet, anytime there's even a hint of positive sales news for anything Xbox... Just like clockwork. The same people rushing out in front to pipe everyone down, and inform them that despite whatever they heard... Nobody wants an Xbox, and that all the people that bought one were really wanting a PS5.

Be it Black Friday, a random month NPD, or Gamepass subs. Without fail, there will be a group of people that will downplay, excuse, and derail the thread until either everyone moves on, or it gets locked. Either way, the last couple of pages will mostly consist of those people laughing and high-fiving each other for yet another job well done.
 

Rykan

Member
Switch Oled is in stock in the UK.

If they sold 15-20m year 1, and sold 15-20m year 5; I’m confused as to what your point is? Does it matter if a hardcore Nintendo fan is buying one or a 80 year old grandmother?
Then that is pretty much the only place where it is in stock because it's sold out in most places.

And yes it matters because there is a difference between actively pursuing a product and looking to buy a console.
 
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