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[M1chl]

I’ve missed all of that. Link please?
I thought PC+PS was a big group considering how often Xbox was said to be pointless since every game is on PC now.

Either way, I double dip on everything right now from Sony so I would prefer closer release dates between the platforms so I can choose where to buy the games based on where I think they’ll play the best. Some games are better suited for the living room so I’ll always need a Playstation just as I’ll always need a Xbox.

Mat Piscatella: Only about 1/3 of PC players in the US owns a PS4, and only 8% own a PS5. | NeoGAF

 

[Solidsnake_1]

There are games which i like to play on consoles exclusively, even if they are on pc.

Plus playing on big tv is better, compared to my pc all day.

You can connect your pc to a big tv !

 

[Gargauth]

Putting the games on Steam will instantly decrease the profit margin vs selling it on PS Store.

Considering even old games are more costly on Steam than on PS Store, I suspect if they go ahead and make PC ports available closer to original dates, that the games will just cost more than on Playstation to offset the cut as well as incentivize peoplee to keep buying on PS store.

 

[Elog]

Just my personal take but yeah

The old Fable applies here about putting a frog in a boiling pot of water he will jump out but put him in cool water and slowly turn up the heat he will not notice the danger and slowly boil to death.

Sony is in the process of turning up the "heat"

We will see day one PS exclusives launch on PC eventually, too much money there to ignore.

I see that every PS game will also be a PC release as inevitable. However, I still believe there will be a window of 6 months or so to create an incentive to both own a Playstation (100% margin of game purchases through the digital store) as well as subscription fees (way too much profits to give up). We can discuss what the perfect delay is between Playstation release and PC release but I feel fairly certain that there will be a real time lapse between the two.

 

[FrankWza]

even a Xbox Series S a better choose then PS5.

 

[Jigsaah]

I’d say it makes some sense waiting for a while until they have completely saturated the PS5 userbase, where they get a bigger profit.

Putting the games on Steam will instantly decrease the profit margin vs selling it on PS Store.

…unless… they get their own PC storefront/launcher

I can't imagine Sony going all in on PC and not having their own store. Maybe not initially, but I feel they will need their own store to compete in the PC space.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I see that every PS game will also be a PC release as inevitable. However, I still believe there will be a window of 6 months or so to create an incentive to both own a Playstation (100% margin of game purchases through the digital store) as well as subscription fees (way too much profits to give up). We can discuss what the perfect delay is between Playstation release and PC release but I feel fairly certain that there will be a real time lapse between the two.

I think this may be true for their big AAA single player titles.

But Sony wants to get more into the live service/MTX game too. And I think those are going to be day one PC.

And once they have a good enough slate of PC games; potentially an exclusive launcher / store too.

 

[Gargauth]

You can connect your pc to a big tv !

Exactly, I don't understand why people diregard this fact. Consoles are basically PCs nowadays. The still consoles have advantage of the UI and UX being tailor-made for controller use so it's easier to navigate the UI on consoles as well as put them to turn them on/off via controller . Hopefully some of it will improve with new Steam big screen coming with Deck update.

I personally have my PC connected only to my TV. For any PC tasks other than games I just use my laptop.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

The day one on PC thing came years after Xbox One release, and was a RESPONSE to Xbox not doing as well against Playstation as the 360 generation. And MS was only doing it on the totally shitty Windows Store...

There's just no way to prove how much Xbox hardware didn't sell because of that.. it's a different scenario than Playstation is in.

What we do know is that XBox revenue went up... we have to keep in mind, if people are abandoning consoles for PC, they are unlikely to have been "whales" for the console manufacturers. They were people only buying exclusives anyways.

I see. If I remember correctly, it seems like right when they implemented their PC strategy due to low software sales on XBOX that’s when the numbers started to drop in hardware. I remember a lot of people had the, “why get an XBOX when PC has everything they have” mentality. Yeah software sales increased for Microsoft, but I wonder how this affect Sony since they seemingly rely more on selling hardware compared to Microsoft.

 

[IntentionalPun]

You can connect your pc to a big tv !

I dont think anyone is unaware of this.

They just dont want to do that.. as they may dual-use their PC... as.. well.. a PC. Something they sit at a desk to use.

 

[ManaByte]

The day one on PC thing came years after Xbox One release, and was a RESPONSE to Xbox not doing as well against Playstation as the 360 generation.

I see. If I remember correctly, right when they implemented their PC strategy due to low software sales on XBOX it seemed like that’s when the numbers started to drop in hardware. Yeah software sales increased for Microsoft, but I wonder how this affect Sony since they seemingly rely more on selling hardware compared to Microsoft.

The PC strategy happened because Phil Spencer took over Xbox and promised a renewed focus on PC gaming from MS. His predecessor didn't even know that a PC could run games and MS's PC game output at the time was limited to Microsoft Solitaire Collection.

 

[skit_data]

I can't imagine Sony going all in on PC and not having their own store. Maybe not initially, but I feel they will need their own store to compete in the PC space.

Yeah, I’m thinking the same. They are used to taking a cut from every sold game on PS Store. Would be a very strange and unwise strategy to suddenly shift to only making money on their own games AND lose 20-30% on those as well. It simply doesn’t add up economically.

 

[Strider Highwind]

If anymore of this gets confirmed forreal before the PS5 launch, then im skipping the PS5 version to play it on my 3090. its about to be glorious

 

[IntentionalPun]

The PC strategy happened because Phil Spencer took over Xbox and promised a renewed focus on PC gaming from MS. His predecessor didn't even know that a PC could run games and MS's PC game output at the time was limited to Microsoft Solitaire Collection.

It took many years before they had a "everything on PC" strategy though.

Phil Spencer saying in 2013 "Yes we plan on making games for Windows" is unlikely to have effected Xbox sales.

Years later around 2016/17 starting to make it evidence all games were coming probably did, but by how much? Xbox's reputation was already kind of shit.

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

You can connect your pc to a big tv !

Using a keyboard and mouse on a couch is really fun too

 

[Deleted member 471617]

I'm expecting God of War Ragnarok to be the first game to be on PC day one in 2023 so Horizon 2 being on PC eight months later wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

[Ezquimacore]

They should port gravity rush 1&2

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Yes it will definitely to lead to a decline to some extent, no doubt. But I’m questioning if it would become a sharp drop of console sales, I think too many people like the convenience of console gaming vs building a PC. Also, Series X, Series S and PS5 all offer very good performance in relation to their cost and personally I think that market is big enough to always sell to a pretty large base of users.

That is true. I honestly don’t think it will lead to a significant drop in sales for Sony realistically, but I think it will take away some of the appeal of owning a PlayStation console which could lead to less console sales. The PS5 shortages and PS4 cross generation games isn’t helping either.

Besides convenience, there won’t be anything really special or unique about owning a PS5. I think it’s uniqueness and exclusives is what lead to it dominating several generations. We’ll see what happens though.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

We will see day one PS exclusives launch on PC eventually, too much money there to ignore.

thats debatable, day 1 all ps games on pc and I wouldn't bother with buying xsx and ps5 and just bought more powerful pc, sony doesn't have gamepass so it could see decrease money from ps store sells, don't know tough how in reality it would impact playstation sales as some users just prefer console simplicity

 

[DenchDeckard]

Even having a beast of a pc I'd still be a sucker and buy consoles. I shouldn't but I can't help it.

I do it every time. Lol

 

[Topher]

All my life I've been a console gamer. I've been a PlayStation owner since PS1. But I just can't see any reason to get a game on my PS4 or even get a PS5 anymore. I'll wait a little and get a Steam Deck and play both PlayStation and Xbox games.


I'm even thinking about sell my PS4 alongside my PlayStation account with the games that is in there to get an upgrade to raise some money to steam deck. That being said, my brother was thinking to get a PS5. I'm showing that even a Xbox Series S a better choose then PS5. Since Xbox has the Game Pass (that I despise) and has always open about their plans.

If I were only a PC gamer and had to choose between PlayStation and Xbox the PlayStation would be the obvious choice as there is almost complete redundancy between PC and Xbox as far as Microsoft first party. Playstation isn't even close to that although some believe that will change. PC also has access to Game Pass so not sure why Xbox consoles would be a more compelling option either way.

Selling XSS over PS5 would also be difficult, imo, considering the sacrifices made particularly when it comes to storage space. As a former XSS owner, I returned it for XSX and I'm extremely glad I did. XSS might be fine as a secondary console, but as a primary, it doesn't make sense to me.

As it is, I enjoy have the variety of PS5, XSX, and PC. All the options are there. But that's just me.

 

[KingGhidorah]

hahaha.....I abandoned Sony's ship last month, this news don't bother me anymore

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

thats debatable, day 1 all ps games on pc and I wouldn't bother with buying xsx and ps5 and just bought more powerful pc, sony doesn't have gamepass so it could see decrease money from ps store sells, don't know tough how in reality it would impact playstation sales as some users just prefer console simplicity

I think we will see a single PS game launch along side PC sooner rather than later as a test case scenario.

If things go well which I expect they will we will see more

 

[skit_data]

That is true. I honestly don’t think it will lead to a significant drop in sales for Sony realistically, but I think it will take away some of the appeal of owning a PlayStation console which could lead to less console sales. The PS5 shortages and PS4 cross generation games isn’t helping either.

Besides convenience, there won’t be anything really special or unique about owning a PS5. I think it’s uniqueness and exclusives is what lead to it dominating several generations. We’ll see what happens though.

The real uniqueness of consoles died last gen when they shifted to x86 architecture IMO. It wasn’t wrong to do it because it makes sense (developer ease, multiplatform games etc.) but I almost consider the PS3/X360 the last ”real consoles”.

 

[Topher]

The real uniqueness of consoles died last gen when they shifted to x86 architecture IMO. It wasn’t wrong to do it because it makes sense (developer ease, multiplatform games etc.) but I almost consider the PS3/X360 the last ”real consoles”.

Pretty much. Consoles are now just PCs in walled-garden format. Ironically, that was how the original IBM PC was designed to be before the engineers at Compaq were able to reverse engineer the BIOS and open up the floodgates.

 

[Swift_Star]

All my life I've been a console gamer. I've been a PlayStation owner since PS1. But I just can't see any reason to get a game on my PS4 or even get a PS5 anymore. I'll wait a little and get a Steam Deck and play both PlayStation and Xbox games.


I'm even thinking about sell my PS4 alongside my PlayStation account with the games that is in there to get an upgrade to raise some money to steam deck. That being said, my brother was thinking to get a PS5. I'm showing that even a Xbox Series S a better choose then PS5. Since Xbox has the Game Pass (that I despise) and has always open about their plans.

It is hard to me as an former PlayStation fan say that, but nowadays Xbox is more consumer friendly than PlayStation (I think that I'm what you can name an Xbox hater, because there is a ton of things that I really hate in the ecosystem, and on the time of PS2/3/4 I really can't remember of a single reason to get a Xbox).


This video while hearing Vivaldi's Four seasons is priceless!

Good for you, but I can't handle playing games on portable systems, neither have any desire to pay 3 to 4x more the PS5 asking price to build a PC to go through this new gen. I also see no reason to get a Xbox now that xcloud is a thing and the one exclusive of them that I care about, Starfield, will be released on that service and I'll play on it. And, tbh, I'm more inclined to get a XSX down the road that I'll ever be to get a PC. If starfield and subsequently MS exclusives are good, I'll bite and won't settle for streaming, I'll get a XSX. There are LOTS of people like me, so... What was your point again?

 

[Guilty_AI]

They'll release about every single PS game on PC, except the ones i care about.

 

[Physiognomonics]

I think this is a mistake.

The games developed for PC / PS5 in mind (GoW 2 and Horizon 2) will be developed with PC hardware requirements first, so powerfull GPUs, plenty of main memory to store the whole level and slow HDDs.

Look at what some developers can do on PS5 because they develop only for that hardware: high density open worlds like in Demon's Souls or Insomniac (thanks to targeting very fast and low latency I/O), high quality RT reflections at 1440p and 60fps (Insomniac games and seen nowhere else on console).

There will be none of that on those PC / PS5 games that will be in mind (and forever) cross gen PS4 / PC games upresed on PS5. This is roughly what they already showed with GoW2 and Horizon 2 which are improved PS4 games up-resed on PS5. Perfect games for cheap and easy PC ports.

 

[MaulerX]

Easing people in?while im sure some oc players will buy a ps5 because they enjoyed sony games on PC, but im also sure some who were going to get a ps5 may just stick with pc.

They led their hardcore fanbase to believe in "generations" and on "exclusive" games that you can only play on PlayStation hardware.

Those are the people they're easing in. People that Sony themselves have groomed to believe in those things.

 

[Helghan]

Makes a lot of sense from a business perspective

 

[XXL]

 

[Lognor]

Nice! Maybe I'll continue to hold off on trying the first one then. Wait for that discount on the first when the second drops. Great time to be a PC gamer!

 

[Loope]

Using a keyboard and mouse on a couch is really fun too

You can connect a controller too!!! Go figure.

I'm just joking, i totally understand people that want to have a console for convenience even if they have a good pc. The experience is flawless when it comes to have a system that doesn't clash too much and it's just there for that. I personally game on pc, but i totally understand people that don't want to connect their pc to their big tv.

 

[Clear]

LOL.

This was probably a speculative placeholder date created by adding a year to the original speculative release date for PS4/PS5

If you think Sony are giving to give a flagship title a shorter exclusivity window than most third-parties they ink a deal with, you're tripping.

 

[Burythelight]

Why are people still debating the inevitable?

Why do you believe placeholder?

 

[Yeagerist754]

You can still get the couch/TV ''console experience'' with a pc, given you have a good internet connection.
I streamed the entirety of GOTG on my TV with my Nvidia Shield, worked flawlessly.

I will probably do the same when Sony games release on PC.

 

[IntentionalPun]

LOL.

This was probably a speculative placeholder date created by adding a year to the original speculative release date for PS4/PS5

If you think Sony are giving to give a flagship title a shorter exclusivity window than most third-parties they ink a deal with, you're tripping.

I can't fathom why nVidia would just be putting random games w/ random dates in some file, that they dont even know are coming to PC.

Most likely this data comes from devs using Steam on GeForce Now, to play/test builds deployed to Steam. nVidia then gets the metadata for that game as it ends up installed on their servers. The dates wouldn't be final in either scenario, but I don't know why it would be shocking for Sony to do a HFW release late next year.

And since when has Sony required 3rd parties wait for PC releases? Aren't all of them released day one on PC?

You are mixing up 2 things.. Sony's games will never appear on other consoles.. that market is exclusive, PC is separate.

 

[reksveks]

And since when has Sony required 3rd parties wait for PC releases? Aren't all of them released day one on PC?

The only one that is the exception (that I remember) is Final Fantasy 7 Remake

 

[IntentionalPun]

The only one that is the exception (that I remember) is Final Fantasy 7 Remake

Ah yeah thanks, that's one.

Death Stranding as well was staggered now that I think of it.. but that's essentially a Sony game.

 

[ACESHIGH]

Forbidden West PC would be great but TBH i would love them to focus more on their back catalog first. There's a lot of games, at least from the PS2 HD collections upwards, to be released on PC. Several PS3 - PS4 - Vita games in particular. Porting those to PC could serve as the foundation of a PS4/PS5 port. Besides, new games will have higher system requirements, which will limit the potential market for these PC ports, and make them reach incorrect conclusions about the feasebility of this PC initiative.

MS play anywhere is great, but they also dropped the ball with their legacy software. Games like Rare Replay or Halo 5 are not available on PC, and don't get me started on the 360 era games. On PC we go from Gears 1 and then jump straight to....4!!!! No fable 2 PC either...

 

[THE DUCK]

Hardware is no longer the platform.

Games are the platform.

Yes, except not controlling the hardware leaves them vulnerable to stores wanting a bigger and bigger cut. Plus they lose all money from peripherals and all the add on and games from other software companies. Ask sony how much less money they would have made without thier cut if fortnite sales?

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yes, except not controlling the hardware leaves them vulnerable to stores wanting a bigger and bigger cut. Plus they lose all money from peripherals and all the add on and games from other software companies. Ask sony how much less money they would have made without thier cut if fortnite sales?

It's both.. Men_In_Boxes is being way too black and white about this.

Hardware platforms are super lucrative as they come w/ stores.

Games w/ MTX are practically a store within themselves.

And then there are actual stores as platforms deployed to PC.

And of course game streaming, which companies hope become a way to get a "store" or "sub" to play anywhere.

Sony wants a cut of all of that.. and accessories are still a big business for them, but they will sell controllers to PC gamers too.. and people on cell phones for that matter.

But nobody is ditching the "hardware that comes with a store with a 30% cut" model.. people don't seem to get that diversification doesn't mean the death of the old model.

That includes Xbox as well.. they still care about hardware sales, and they'd LOVE to increase them over last gen. Their Xbox users playing loads of 3rd party games and buying MTX are their real whales, making them the most money.

 

[FoundryMusic]

Bryank before this news:

Bryank after this news:

 

[Magic Carpet]

The new dual sense works on PC correct?
The PS4 Pro does not support the new controller.
PC wins.

 

[Umbasaborne]

Why are people still debating the inevitable?

They need to make their last bloody stand

 

[Mabdia]

To me Steam deck makes Nintendo's days numbered. Only games they will be selling in high volumes will be Nintendo first party and Pokemon. Monster hunter is now available on the go via steam deck. For the price in Japan steam deck is going to rule.

I think the previous leak was real, the dates are not. Information is probably somewhat real, the actual release dates are 100% bogus.

Nintendo and Steam could be amazing for niche Japanese games. To me Steam Deck has an edge here since we can play games as Tales of and some Square Enix games. Probabily will be possible play FFXVI for the ones who cares about the game.

As you said, I have to agree. Steam Deck might hurt Nintendo. It all depends how good Steam Will play their cards. The same goes for Nintendo.

You bet sir. I just fail to see any value in what Sony is offering. Pay a huge price in a console and in a game to have the privilege to play it first does now seen to be a good thing to me.

If I were only a PC gamer and had to choose between PlayStation and Xbox the PlayStation would be the obvious choice as there is almost complete redundancy between PC and Xbox as far as Microsoft first party. Playstation isn't even close to that although some believe that will change. PC also has access to Game Pass so not sure why Xbox consoles would be a more compelling option either way.

Selling XSS over PS5 would also be difficult, imo, considering the sacrifices made particularly when it comes to storage space. As a former XSS owner, I returned it for XSX and I'm extremely glad I did. XSS might be fine as a secondary console, but as a primary, it doesn't make sense to me.

As it is, I enjoy have the variety of PS5, XSX, and PC. All the options are there. But that's just me.

Ever since my first console i've always choose my console based on exclusive games. The one with most of it will be the one that I choose. If I can play Playstation games and Xbox games in a single machine, that will be the machine that I'll choose.

About the storage space. Yes, it is a huge problem. Yet is a console that cost way less (S) so I can live with that. But I'll not get any of these consoles. To me both sucks for the same reason. If there is no exclusive, there is no reason to me have a console. And I don't buy this bullshit of timed exclusivity. Also, I just count as an exclusive a game that I can play solely on an specific platform. To the point that some people say that Persona 5 is an exclusive game. But to me it is a multiplataform game.

Good for you, but I can't handle playing games on portable systems, neither have any desire to pay 3 to 4x more the PS5 asking price to build a PC to go through this new gen. I also see no reason to get a Xbox now that xcloud is a thing and the one exclusive of them that I care about, Starfield, will be released on that service and I'll play on it. And, tbh, I'm more inclined to get a XSX down the road that I'll ever be to get a PC. If starfield and subsequently MS exclusives are good, I'll bite and won't settle for streaming, I'll get a XSX. There are LOTS of people like me, so... What was your point again?

Thanks! I really don't have any desire to pay 3 to 4x the price of PS5. That's why I'll get decent graphic card to play the games on my PC. That being said, I just don't care about any Xbox exclusive that was created to Xbox one nor XBSX. Yet I can see the way that Microsoft is selling their's product way more honest than what Playstation is doing.

My point is that I just can't see any value in what Sony is offering. That's all. There is some people who see. But I just can't.

It reminds me of the history about a King and the invisible cloak or something like it. I might just be and idiot who can't see a value in something that really has a great value.

 

[Bartski]

This was probably a speculative placeholder date created by adding a year to the original speculative release date for PS4/PS5

So if the database itself is real, you assume such a speculative date would make it into this database just made up by Nvidia's to fill the blanks, rather than coming from the source?

And if the latter is true - why would Sony speculate to release the game a year after its PS5 debut? Many of the dates in this file are still correct or were correct until a recent delay.

My point is whether this date is correct really doesn't matter.

What matters is someone at some point decided to set such placeholder release date of a first-party PS5 exclusive, which is more likely to have been done in the agreement with the publisher, or at least according to some timeline planning communications.

 

[Concern]

I'll give the game another try, but couldn't finish the first one. Got bored quickly, and played some other game that came out at the time.

Either way, this is great news for everyone. More money for game development, more ppl get to play these games, etc.

I wont. First game bored tf out of me. I even set the difficulty to story so I could just run through it but it honestly felt like a chore to play. I leveled up to 34/ 35 and just never could get back into it.

So much for porting their games 3 years later. Eventually they will hurt their console sales. Exclusive games are a big part of what makes you pick one console over the other.

 

[Topher]

So much for porting their games 3 years later. Eventually they will hurt their console sales. Exclusive games are a big part of what makes you pick one console over the other.

As far as consoles are concerned they might as well be exclusives. Being on PC doesn't make Forza Horizon 5 available on PS5 obviously so what does it really matter for console gamers?

 

[FrankWza]

They led their hardcore fanbase to believe in "generations" and on "exclusive" games that you can only play on PlayStation hardware.

Those are the people they're easing in. People that Sony themselves have groomed to believe in those things.

25 years is “grooming”?
You can have a kid conceived, born, raised and out the door in 21.

You bet sir. I just fail to see any value in what Sony is offering. Pay a huge price in a console and in a game to have the privilege to play it first does now seen to be a good thing to me.

It’s $100 more than a series s and the s would require a $140 expansion card to have a similar storage experience.